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Celeb News: Kelly Clarkson Slams Dr. Luke "blackmailed to work with him"
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This expose.  He's definitely a horrible person... I believe Kesha.
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Originally posted by Dark Matter
Let's not forget Kelly Clarkson has a history of not getting on with people that work their ass off for her.
Clive Davis
Dr. Luke
Max Martin
Ryan Tedder
Simon Fuller
Her various other managers
American Idol's production team
Even by her own admission, people turn down working with her: http://www.etonline.com/music/159967...work_with_her/
So I guess when so many people don't like you, that says something? |
All for good reason. Some tried to control her. They wanted her to be a puppet. Kelly only cared about making music. She was severely overworked during the Breakaway era and fired her manager, Jeff, when he tried to make her into a bigger superstar. She just wanted to focus on music and not the fame. She broke off with Simon Fuller because she was trying to establish her own image aside from being the first american idol winner. She doesn't have a problem with Ryan Tedder, she was just upset about Already Gone being similar to Halo and didn't want to be seen as copying Beyonce.
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Originally posted by Dark Matter
Let's not forget Kelly Clarkson has a history of not getting on with people that work their ass off for her.
Clive Davis
Dr. Luke
Max Martin
Ryan Tedder
Simon Fuller
Her various other managers
American Idol's production team
Even by her own admission, people turn down working with her: http://www.etonline.com/music/159967...work_with_her/
So I guess when so many people don't like you, that says something? |
What even is this? Almost all of them had some part in screwing her over or just being a douchebag. Ryan was an exception where he just gave her a Halo 2.0 arrangement for Already Gone (she was upset about that professionally).
Although Simon and American Idol ended terms with Kelly on a good note (all the interviews with Simon implies as much; he's admired her for her strong independence streak and noting that no one tells Kelly what to do; plus she's his very favorite Idol of all time).
And she's often said that the reason most of those never work out is due to scheduling conflicts.
Please spare me the double standard. Kelly is virtually seen as a down to earth person in the industry.
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All for good reason. Some tried to control her. They wanted her to be a puppet. Kelly only cared about making music. She was severely overworked during the Breakaway era and fired her manager, Jeff, when he tried to make her into a bigger superstar. She just wanted to focus on music and not the fame. She broke off with Simon Fuller because she was trying to establish her own image aside from being the first american idol winner. She doesn't have a problem with Ryan Tedder, she was just upset about Already Gone being similar to Halo and didn't want to be seen as copying Beyonce.
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I thought she reacted very inappropriately to the whole Ryan Tedder fiasco. They did like 4-5 songs together, and all of the others were very different from not only each other but also anything else anyone had. So because 1 song was vaguely reminiscent of another song he wrote and produced (a piano ballad with a similar riff, how surprising!), she had to be disrespectful towards him? It made me lose respect for her honestly.
I'm not sayin I don't believe her about dr. Luke, I just had never realized what a long list of "enemies" she had made haha
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I'm now considered Dr. Luke's biggest fan on ATRL (not that I particularly like his work), and I can confirm from personal experience he is one of the most blunt people in the business. His Asperger’s means he will tell you how it is.
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Wow, can you message me in private? I am interested to hear more about this. I have the same plug ins & stem libraries he uses in his studio, and i feel like i can relate to him being socially awkward and strict to details.
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Originally posted by Dark Matter
Let's not forget Kelly Clarkson has a history of not getting on with people that work their ass off for her.
Clive Davis
Dr. Luke
Max Martin
Ryan Tedder
Simon Fuller
Her various other managers
American Idol's production team
Even by her own admission, people turn down working with her: http://www.etonline.com/music/159967...work_with_her/
So I guess when so many people don't like you, that says something? |
- Clive Davis is known to be a douchebag by the entire industry. He did not work for her, he worked for himself and his own interests.
- Dr. Luke is known to be a douchebag by the entire industry. He did not work for her, he worked for himself and his own interests.
- She has not criticized Max Martin.
- Her issue with Ryan was over material overlapping; the entire problem was that he DIDN'T work his ass off for her, he cut a copycat song and sold it off.
- Simon and Kelly mutually agreed to end their relationship, because Simon was still involved with producing American Idol while Kelly needed to have a career outside of it.
- She only ended her relations with managers because they had different ideas for her career than she did. They wanted her to be the biggest pop star in the world and she didn't want that.
- American Idol's production team has not said ONE bad thing about Kelly. Try again.
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Originally posted by ClarksonSlays
- Clive Davis is known to be a douchebag by the entire industry. He did not for her, he worked for himself and his own interests.
- Dr. Luke is known to be a douchebag by the entire industry. He did not work for her, he worked for himself and his own interests.
- She has not criticized Max Martin.
- Her issue with Ryan was over material overlapping; the entire problem was that he DIDN'T work his ass off for her, he cut a copycat song and sold it off.
- Simon and Kelly mutually agreed to end their relationship, because Simon was still involved with producing American Idol while Kelly needed to have a career outside of it.
- She only ended her relations with managers because they had different ideas for her career than she did. They wanted her to be the biggest pop star in the world and she didn't want that.
- American Idol's production team has not said ONE bad thing about Kelly. Try again.
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Bingo!
I just feel like people are attacking Kelly because she has a successful song right now...
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Originally posted by ahauntingnearu
I thought she reacted very inappropriately to the whole Ryan Tedder fiasco. They did like 4-5 songs together, and all of the others were very different from not only each other but also anything else anyone had. So because 1 song was vaguely reminiscent of another song he wrote and produced (a piano ballad with a similar riff, how surprising!), she had to be disrespectful towards him? It made me lose respect for her honestly.
I'm not sayin I don't believe her about dr. Luke, I just had never realized what a long list of "enemies" she had made haha
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Wouldn't you be pissed off if you realized you were singing a copied and pasted arrangement as another song? Plus Kelly had bad relations with her label at the time when they forced her to record AIEW as it was and releasing Already Gone in spite of the controversy.
Like Kelly has always done things her way because she's never cared about the pop star game everyone else does to keep fame. These enemies she's made were all due to them being either controlling, assholes or a combination of factors that screwed her over.
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In 2007, Kelly and her manager went on a Clive Davis smear campaign during her My December era. They were trying to convince the media that Clive disliked the album and framed these discussions as if he didn't like females writing their own material, when in fact he had given many females the opportunity to write their own material. Kelly had to eat crow and posted this statement on her website:
Clive didn't say that he hated My December; he was just trying to make Kelly aware that he didn't hear any hits on the album and didn't think it would perform that well commercially. It was his right to give his opinions on that aspect to investors during the conference. Why should he have to lie if he's not confident about the product? Welcome to the music industry!
He wasn't contractually obligated to release the album, but let her release it the way she wanted anyway. The problem was that Kelly was insistent that the album be released as is, and was saying that she didn't care about hits and money, yet her manager was demanding a multi-million guarantee on My December and was planning a tour against the advise from the label. When the tour plans fell apart, Kelly fired the manager who had been championing her and the project. The label tried to work with Kelly, but she rejected every idea, such as releasing a single first to test the waters before taking on a full album release.
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It wasn't a smear campaign. In fact, Kelly didn't say a word about Clive initially....the drama leaked on a message board (The Velvet Rope) by several people that attended a Sony Conference. Clive went up on stage, saying something along the lines up "Kelly has decided that she doesn't need anyone's help on her next album and she's a good enough writer to do it herself." And played some of the songs, followed by making remarks like "Does that sound like a hit to you?" Someone had to go up and whisper something to him, so he stopped. That isn't "trying to make Kelly aware", that is straight up sabotaging the project. It didn't have a chance to live out it's potential.
The press picked up on that leaked drama, asked Kelly and her team about it (which for a while, they gave no comment when asked about it), before Kelly finally admitted it.
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 at them trying to start drama by tagging him. And I feel like the base figured she was blackmailed.
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The tea in this thread is delicious.
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Originally posted by Dark Matter
Yes, there is no smoke without fire, but they're two completely separate flames here, and Kelly hasn't articulated this properly at all.
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Maybe that's more on your reading and not Kelly's words, because you seem to be the only one with a problem with understanding her points. She pretty much explicitly said she did not get involved in the rape stuff when fans asked, and that she's commenting on him as a person, from her own situation which is different to Kesha's. What more do you want, skywriting? 
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Originally posted by Dark Matter
Let's not forget Kelly Clarkson has a history of not getting on with people that work their ass off for her.
Clive Davis
Dr. Luke
Max Martin
Ryan Tedder
Simon Fuller
Her various other managers
American Idol's production team
Even by her own admission, people turn down working with her: http://www.etonline.com/music/159967...work_with_her/
So I guess when so many people don't like you, that says something? |
Not true.
Clive bullied her and mocked her, blackmailing her to work with people she didn't want to.
Luke was a horrible person to her.
She has never not got on with Max Martin?
She has no personal problem with Tedder, she was upset he gave away an arrangement from Already Gone to Beyonce, which was a business problem, not personal. She has since praised Tedder and his music.
She has no beef with Simon Fuller and she praises Idol all the time.
What other managers? Where are your receipts?
She has nothing against the Idol production team either, she LOVES Idol.
And her commenting about nobody wanting to work with her was a JOKE. She's worked with many people since then.
Stop pulling **** out of your ass please.
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Originally posted by ClarksonSlays
- Clive Davis is known to be a douchebag by the entire industry. He did not for her, he worked for himself and his own interests.
- Dr. Luke is known to be a douchebag by the entire industry. He did not work for her, he worked for himself and his own interests.
- She has not criticized Max Martin.
- Her issue with Ryan was over material overlapping; the entire problem was that he DIDN'T work his ass off for her, he cut a copycat song and sold it off.
- Simon and Kelly mutually agreed to end their relationship, because Simon was still involved with producing American Idol while Kelly needed to have a career outside of it.
- She only ended her relations with managers because they had different ideas for her career than she did. They wanted her to be the biggest pop star in the world and she didn't want that.
- American Idol's production team has not said ONE bad thing about Kelly. Try again.
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This. What the hell are they talking about?
Just to add to what you're saying....Clive also held his Grammy Party the same night, in the same hotel that Whitney passed away. Whitney was his golden artist and he didn't same to care as much as you would think he would.
Also, Kelly seems to be fine with Ryan now. She's tweeted about loving OneRepublic songs, praising their performances on TV shows on twitter, etc.
Kelly has said time and time again that she's on good terms with Simon Fuller, and still praises/mentions him every now and then. She just needed a manager that could be there with her, and Simon was way too busy/unreachable. Jeff wanted her to be the biggest star in the world, and it drove her into a depression, and she just needed someone that understood her needs better. Jeff has praised her in interviews since then.
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Originally posted by ahauntingnearu
I thought she reacted very inappropriately to the whole Ryan Tedder fiasco. They did like 4-5 songs together, and all of the others were very different from not only each other but also anything else anyone had. So because 1 song was vaguely reminiscent of another song he wrote and produced (a piano ballad with a similar riff, how surprising!), she had to be disrespectful towards him? It made me lose respect for her honestly.
I'm not sayin I don't believe her about dr. Luke, I just had never realized what a long list of "enemies" she had made haha
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Already Gone was one that was a strong contender for a single from the get go, and Kelly knew that. She praised him a lot and said how great they worked together at the beginning of the era. And the instrumental wasn't vaguely similar, it was very similar. She wasn't disrespectful towards him, and she didn't say anything bad about him as a person. Once it was being released as a single and there was growing talk about it sounding like Halo, Kelly felt the need to say something because she didn't feel it was fair to be labelled as a copycat when that wasn't the case. She just said that she wasn't happy about the situation, and wanted to try and have another song released instead of AG out of respect for Beyonce, but didn't win.
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Pass what Dark Matter is smoking, please.
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There were some pretty bad ones about Kelly that have been deleted since then too.
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Originally posted by martikaisback
In 2007, Kelly and her manager went on a Clive Davis smear campaign during her My December era. They were trying to convince the media that Clive disliked the album and framed these discussions as if he didn't like females writing their own material, when in fact he had given many females the opportunity to write their own material. Kelly had to eat crow and posted this statement on her website:
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Obviously he had let females write their own material, Kelly had written for her previous albums as well, but she had to fight like hell for those opportunities and even after several songs she co-wrote from Breakaway were hits she still had to fight for creative control of her career. And if you knew anything about the history of the music industry you'd know that misogyny is not uncommon.
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Clive didn't say that he hated My December; he was just trying to make Kelly aware that he didn't hear any hits on the album and didn't think it would perform that well commercially. It was his right to give his opinions on that aspect to investors during the conference. Why should he have to lie if he's not confident about the product? Welcome to the music industry!
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Whether or not he "hated" it or "didn't hear any hits" is beside the point... You would think that the head of a label would want to care for and nurture his artists, not put them on a platform to be ripped apart in a room full of important executives. Kelly wanted to release an album that was personal even if not mainstream, as an artist that had just made them a **** ton of money, she should have that freedom with their support. Clive could have kept his business opinions private, talking about it publicly was a tactical move to try to pressure Kelly to re-record more commercial material for the album.
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He wasn't contractually obligated to release the album, but let her release it the way she wanted anyway. The problem was that Kelly was insistent that the album be released as is, and was saying that she didn't care about hits and money, yet her manager was demanding a multi-million guarantee on My December and was planning a tour against the advise from the label. When the tour plans fell apart, Kelly fired the manager who had been championing her project. The label tried to work with Kelly, but she rejected every idea, such as releasing a single first to test the waters before taking on a full album release.
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Releasing the album was just a business decision. We don't know the full details but looking at it from the outside, it isn't a stretch to see that Kelly got to release the personal album she wanted for My December, with the obligation of making her next album more radio-friendly (hence her working with Max & Luke again on MLWSWY).
And the stuff with her manager was a completely different issue... There was no bad blood there. Kelly has said he was a great manager but his goals for her career were bigger than hers, so she wanted someone that was on the same page.
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Dr. Luke had another alias on Pulse too, often shared with Katy no less!
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