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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
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As someone who lived in NY most of my life, I can fairly say Bloomberg isn't racist per say. Short version: Ray Kelly was continuing old tenure on stop & frisk from the Giuliani & Bratton era. It drove crime down immensely 80s - 2000s so Bloomberg basically ran with it and overall the city was more safer due to that and the amount of gun control Bloomberg was pushing. Ray Kelly was actually a big advocater for it and Bloomberg couldn't care less about much of the flack it was catching as the stop & frisk started to get out of control and into (race-based) harrasment territoy (rather than a valid method to keep the streets safe when things were out of control) .
So, it's a part Bloomberg and Kelly to blame but again it was already there before they even got there and it was "working" (but not really mid 2000s and up in NYC since crime was pretty much on the decline regardless) so why would they change it? If Bloomberg was still mayor, I do think he would have gotten pressured to change it during all this BLM stuff and guilted through the fact he broke his term limits what felt like 100 times.
However, DeBlasio (current mayor) brought back Bratton so it's just an on-going cycle of mess. 
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Everything about a caucus interests me. Sort of wish we did it here instead of the traditional voting booth polling.
Interesting read on how it works and also how some feel it benefits HRC of the three Democratic nominees in Iowa. I'm looking forward to the final debate before the first votes are counted.
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/why-geogr...y-clinton-iowa
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The Iowa town hall is going to be on at the same exact time as Maria vs Serena 
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Originally posted by foxaylove
Everything about a caucus interests me. Sort of wish we did it here instead of the traditional voting booth polling.
Interesting read on how it works and also how some feel it benefits HRC of the three Democratic nominees in Iowa. I'm looking forward to the final debate before the first votes are counted.
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/why-geogr...y-clinton-iowa |
Thanks for this Foxay! About 4-5 days ago I've been finally learning about what undid Hillary in 2008. That's because my Bernie supporter friends have been saying he's the next Obama so I wanted to see what exactly Obama did to pull off the upset win (I knew a little because I was following politics then but not too much). One of them was he destroyed her everywhere in caucuses. Apparently she had poor organization then but this time she's been ready. I see her winning by 5% in Iowa and i agree the whole caucusing this favors Hillary definitely.
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The Iowa town hall is going to be on at the same exact time as Maria vs Serena |
Well then I'm not watching the town hall meeting sorry!
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Originally posted by RatedG²
Thanks for this Foxay! About 4-5 days ago I've been finally learning about what undid Hillary in 2008. That's because my Bernie supporter friends have been saying he's the next Obama so I wanted to see what exactly Obama did to pull off the upset win (I knew a little because I was following politics then but not too much). One of them was he destroyed her everywhere in caucuses. Apparently she had poor organization then but this time she's been ready. I see her winning by 5% in Iowa and i agree the whole caucusing this favors Hillary definitely.
Well then I'm not watching the town hall meeting sorry!
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Like the article mentioned, key things happened that led to Obama's impressive victory. For one, the day of the Iowa caucus, there was no school because it was winter break. Therefore, plenty of college students were able to be home, and caucus in their respective hometowns. By doing this, it allowed BO to capitalize on his biggest supporters, young and inspired first-time caucus goers; scattering about the state of Iowa, to level the field in other counties. He knew he would carry the big progressive cities and college towns, but the rural area, he took it to Hillary more than expected. She carried plenty, but he did enough to withhold her and John Edwards (who finished 2nd and HRC 3rd). The rural areas aren't many delegate votes, but they add up after awhile.
And for what it is worth, I think Bernie is an amazing motivator, but the comparisons to being on par with Obama are a bit of a reach. One thing Obama had in his favor in every state, the minority vote and popularity. He was snatching black votes by percentages of 90% and was favored by Latinos as well. Though majority of the Latinos supported Hillary, it wasn't by 90% like BO had with blacks. She ranged 50 - 60 percent level support and him from 35 - 45 percent. Bernie doesn't have those levels of support among minority democrats; Hillary has in most scenarios the black vote by 70 -80% in states and the latin vote even more than under the 2008 primaries. It's why most analysts aren't giving the "game over" scenario to HRC if she loses Iowa and N.H. Both states are heavily filled with white Dems compared to the other states. When you get to the southern states, the west coast, and such, that's when things get interesting.
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Originally posted by foxaylove
Like the article mentioned, key things happened that led to Obama's impressive victory. For one, the day of the Iowa caucus, there was no school because it was winter break. Therefore, plenty of college students were able to be home, and caucus in their respective hometowns. By doing this, it allowed BO to capitalize on his biggest supporters, young and inspired first-time caucus goers; scattering about the state of Iowa, to level the field in other counties. He knew he would carry the big progressive cities and college towns, but the rural area, he took it to Hillary more than expected. She carried plenty, but he did enough to withhold her and John Edwards (who finished 2nd and HRC 3rd). The rural areas aren't many delegate votes, but they add up after awhile.
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Yep. I also read that even if Bernie gets many supporters in the college areas you can only get so many delegates per precinct so he's trying to scatter his supporters statewide to gain the most delegates as he can. It's super interesting. Also even with the CNN poll that showed Sanders up +8 there was a fine print that said Clinton lead by 20 points over people who caucused before and that is important as most caucus goers happened to go before.
Things are interesting. Much moreso than normal primaries. But I'm glad my state isn't a caucus I could not take time out of school to do that 
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To be fair, Supreme Court nominations are arguably the longest-lasting legacies Presidents leave behind. Tbh, the judiciary sometimes feels like the only branch of government that gets anything done any more. I wouldn't underestimate the influence they have.
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Very true. And all candidates know this. Could you imagine a majority Rep Congress, Supreme Court, President, and Governors? That's why we need a Dem to follow Obama.
They could possible appoint as many as 3.
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Very true. And all candidates know this. Could you imagine a majority Rep Congress, Supreme Court, President, and Governors? That's why we need a Dem to follow Obama.
They could possible appoint as many as 3. |
This is why I'm leaning towards voting for Hillary if Bernie loses. I don't really want to vote for her, but she's better than the Republicans and voting third party is useless in this political climate.
Indiana might swing Democrat this election, because our Republican governor is a flop who only cares about "protecting religion" (aka discriminating against LGBTQ+), making sure we can't get alcohol or cars on Sundays, and keeping marijuana illegal. Schools and roads took a backseat for his first three years but are now coming to the spotlight. Less so with schools, but we do have the ISTEP scandal where the tests had numerous issues and the results were basically thrown out. However, roads are a huge concern now. Our interstates and bridges are crumbling (the 65 near Lafayette issue was due to a mistake during construction, but the point still stands) and nothing has been discussed until this legislation session. And now the Republican-controlled legislature wants to put more taxes in place and put tolls on our busiest roads (which won't work, since lots of cars will use city streets and cause more backups, while the people willing to pay tolls will have to wait forever to get through the tolls  ). The Democrats actually want to use some of our $2 billion surplus for the roads.
Sorry, had to rant a little...
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Why are we acting like Sanders vs. Bloomberg wouldn't kill both candidates and assure a win for Trump/Cruz? The hatred for Bernie here just doesn't seem genuine at all, I feel like you guys are just trying to make a statement because he's a potential threat against Hillary and is gaining momentum.
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Hey Americans.
Who do you want to win, a Republican or a Democrat? Do you want Donald Trump - the corrupt billionaire who solely cares about feeding his own massive ego, to be your President? Do you really want to leave what is a somewhat stable economy in the hands of a man who has declared bankruptcy countless times throughout his life? Do you really want for this man to destroy everything that Obama has tried his best to rectify during the past 8 years?
Well, if you don't want that and if you actually care for your country, you'll vote for Hillary Clinton to win the Democractic Primaries. I'm sorry, as much as I like Bernie Sanders and love his highly fantasised ideas, he's not going to win in a general election. America, and maybe even the world, is not ready for a socialist with extremely progressive ideas to be the leader of arguably the most powerful nation on Earth.
If Bernie Sanders wins the DP's, that's one step closer to Donald Trump being in the White House. Deny it as much as you want, but we all know that's the truth of the matter, it's as simple as that. Now, if it was Hillary Clinton vs. Donald Trump, you would almost definitely have a Democrat in the White House; that's assuming nothing goes drastically wrong. Now, you might not agree with Hillary's policies the way you do with Bernie's, and your ideological outlook may fall more in line with that of Sanders, but you need to think about the country as a whole and not just you. Hillary Clinton is a MUCH better option than Bernie Sanders. For one, she knows what she's talking about; not only that, but she is extremely experienced and has dedicated most of her life to serving your country. Honestly, Britain would be lucky to have someone as accomplished and well-rounded as Hillary Clinton as our Prime Minister.
Make the right decision America, your country as we know it depends on it.
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Hey Americans.
Who do you want to win, a Republican or a Democrat? Do you want Donald Trump - the corrupt billionaire who solely cares about feeding his own massive ego, to be your President? Do you really want to leave what is a somewhat stable economy in the hands of a man who has declared bankruptcy countless times throughout his life? Do you really want for this man to destroy everything that Obama has tried his best to rectify during the past 8 years?
Well, if you don't want that and if you actually care for your country, you'll vote for Hillary Clinton to win the Democractic Primaries. I'm sorry, as much as I like Bernie Sanders and love his highly fantasised ideas, he's not going to win in a general election. America, and maybe even the world, is not ready for a socialist with extremely progressive ideas to be the leader of arguably the most powerful nation on Earth.
If Bernie Sanders wins the DP's, that's one step closer to Donald Trump being in the White House. Deny it as much as you want, but we all know that's the truth of the matter, it's as simple as that. Now, if it was Hillary Clinton vs. Donald Trump, you would almost definitely have a Democrat in the White House; that's assuming nothing goes drastically wrong. Now, you might not agree with Hillary's policies the way you do with Bernie's, and your ideological outlook may fall more in line with that of Sanders, but you need to think about the country as a whole and not just you. Hillary Clinton is a MUCH better option than Bernie Sanders. For one, she knows what she's talking about; not only that, but she is extremely experienced and has dedicated most of her life to serving your country. Honestly, Britain would be lucky to have someone as accomplished and well-rounded as Hillary Clinton as our Prime Minister.
Make the right decision America, your country as we know it depends on it.
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No we don't know that for a fact and your opinion is not a fact. A very respectable political analyst (which Hillary supporters on here referred to) said yesterday that Bernie could easily win a GE against Trump or Cruiz, and he said that his opinion was based on comprehensive political analysis, not pure baseless assumptions.
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While I see the racism issues and why that would affect you view of him, I see no reason why it's a bad thing that multiple New Yorkers could occupy prominent places in the general election.
I just don't follow that part.
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Not a fan of #NewYorkValues
J/K, i don't have a problem with 3 NYorkers running, tho it's a bit much
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BeyAdmired's post is so dramatic lol.
We survived Bush/Cheney, i think we'll be fine whichever way.
The president isn't that powerful, there are enough checks and balances to insure the country against potential dictators like Trump and Bernie
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I could get behind this ticket 
(bc i love Cory Booker and he's black, obviously)
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Why are we acting like Sanders vs. Bloomberg wouldn't kill both candidates and assure a win for Trump/Cruz? The hatred for Bernie here just doesn't seem genuine at all, I feel like you guys are just trying to make a statement because he's a potential threat against Hillary and is gaining momentum.
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Nope, I genuinely hate him as a candidate. Ridiculously idealist, no real and legitimate proposals that would ever pass the House and Senate together, etc. etc. 
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Did you write this piece under an alias? 👀
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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I'm ready for Clinton/Castro to slay in November 
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The primary/caucus process in chaos  Bernie and Trump leading I don't know what to think anymore 
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Bernie winning against Hillary for the nomination would give the GOP a huge boost. Trump would have the whites, and some of the moderate democrats, and most of the independents who hate Bernies socialist ideas. Bernie would have the majority of democrats, a good chunk of minorities and the young vote
It'd be close, but i think Donald's chances are bit better
Meanwhile Hillary has the minorities: Latinos/African Americans/LGBT on the lock. I think Hillary has a way better chance in a general election then Bernie does due to his very socialist ideas
I like Bernie, but I can't see him winning tbh
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Member Since: 8/29/2011
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Read this earlier. Mte
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