[simmnfierzig]

Originally posted by Ger-55

Oh God, everything makes sense substracting CMA's sales

I've been saying that since Tuesday

Glad everyone agrees now. Although I hate the move from Billboard. It's just so stupid.

Really hope Hello can hang on. And as long as it doesn't get negative points from sales it should.

[Ger-55]

I thought we were over about this sh*tty CMA rule since 2013, why taking it back?

[simmnfierzig]

Originally posted by Jeiboy=berberocka

Until when is gonna have 0 sales? I dont want Justin to be #1

Normally CMA only has a big effect in the first week. But 25 is obviously not a normal album, so we will see. With a massive 2nd week it will also have a lot of CMA in it's 2nd week

[Ger-55]

Originally posted by simmnfierzig

Normally CMA only has a big effect in the first week. But 25 is obviously not a normal album, so we will see. With a massive 2nd week it will also have a lot of CMA in it's 2nd week

Time for Justin to premiere his music video

[alexanderao]

Yeah, it's another idiotic move. That makes two in the same week.

[Ger-55]

Originally posted by alexanderao

Yeah, it's another idiotic move. That makes two in the same week.

Happy new Billboard year

[Cap10Planet]

What idiotic move?

[onething]

Oh no! I can't believe Adele is going to lose her number one spot to Justin Bieber only because of some stupid rule.

[Ger-55]

Originally posted by Cap10Planet

What idiotic move?

Allowing the CMA rule again for Hot 100. I thought it was over by 2013

[Bey Admired]

It will look so stupid if Adele loses number 1 when she's literally number 1 on every platform - radio, streaming, and sales. The system is extremely flawed. It allows more room for manipulation and corruption of the Hot 100 by label executives etc. Worrying.

[Cap10Planet]

Originally posted by Ger-55

Allowing the CMA rule again for Hot 100. I thought it was over by 2013

I thought it was still in place. With the CMA option doesn't it affect past sales more than current sales? For those who purchased a song before the album release then use the CMA option when the album is out, then it becomes a negative sale?

I'm sorry for being ignorant. I just never completely understood the process.

[Jeiboy]

Originally posted by Ger-55

I thought we were over about this sh*tty CMA rule since 2013, why taking it back?

Why is this reported?

[iHype.]

If the CMA rule can go into negative and effect her total single sales, then will these negative sales also effect her BB200 number?

Example:
She does 3,250,000 in pure sales.

Negative 300K in TEA, and with 0 SEA, so she loses 30K on BB200 and does 3.220M?

[UNNAMI]

Adele was still on 1000 points this week when Bieber was liek 500-600 right?

so even if she looses all her sales (which probably won't happen) then how many points she will have from streaming and airplay?

[Ger-55]

Originally posted by UNNAMI

Adele was still on 1000 points this week when Bieber was liek 500-600 right?

so even if she looses all her sales (which probably won't happen) then how many points she will have from streaming and airplay?

Well, approximated points this week:

Hello = 969 points
Sorry = 512 points

Problem with "Hello" this week is:

1. She is probably gonna lose all her sales for "Hello" to "0". (I still don't believe negative sales are used on H100, that's awful).
2. She's peaking on Airplay while Justin is the Airplay Gainer closing the gap around 3M with each day passing

But I see her having the edge, definetely. Again, if negative sales are not used for Hot 100 purposes

Originally posted by Cap10Planet

I thought it was still in place. With the CMA option doesn't it affect past sales more than current sales? For those who purchased a song before the album release then use the CMA option when the album is out, then it becomes a negative sale?

I'm sorry for being ignorant. I just never completely understood the process.

Yes, but it also affects current sales since, for example "Hello" sells 367k this week during album release and around 2,555,000 copies of "Hello" have been sold without being used for the CMA option. Let's say since the album opened with 3M+, 600k persons decide to use the CMA button to get the album. Then the sales data showed by Nielsen are gonna be:

367k - 600k (because of CMA, it counts as a negative sale) = -233k copies This is the total showed, so what you sold this week becomes in nothing and it also substract 233k of what it had sold before.

Hope it makes sense

Originally posted by iHype.

If the CMA rule can go into negative and effect her total single sales, then will these negative sales also effect her BB200 number?

Example:
She does 3,250,000 in pure sales.

Negative 300K in TEA, and with 0 SEA, so she loses 30K on BB200 and does 3.220M?

OMG imagine that What kind of mess I guess we're gonna learn more about this new rules this week

Originally posted by Jeiboy=berberocka

Why is this reported?

Profanity. I will be fine

[iamvladd]

Originally posted by Ger-55

Does anyone have an article where BB mentions HIAM doing negative sales? I don't know if that happened with WANEGBT

EDIT: Nevermind



http://atrl.net/?p=12390242

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At this point "Hello" is gonna do at least 200-300k negative sales

Gonna search up what happened w/ 1989 & Shake it Off.

[Ger-55]

Originally posted by iamvladd

Gonna search up what happened w/ 1989 & Shake it Off.

Nope, since 2013 they deleted that rule. For example, Miley Cyrus with "Wrecking Ball" in 2013..

As previously reported, Cyrus' debut RCA album "Bangerz" debuts at No. 1 on the Billboard 200 with 270,000 copies sold. "Ball" drops 3-4 on Digital Songs (which it led four weeks ago) with 128,000 downloads sold, a 40% decline; its sales slide is owed to iTunes' customers who opted to "complete" the "Bangerz" album by upgrading their earlier purchase of "Ball" to a full album. Effectively, consumers who completed the album were returning a song, thus augmenting the song's sales drop this week. (For the purposes of Hot 100 rankings, aggregate sales and returns contribute to the song's overall point total.)

http://www.billboard.com/articles/ne...crowns-hot-100

Same thing happened with "Shake It Off" in 2014

("Shake" falls off Digital Songs, which it topped for four weeks, from No. 15. Its slide is owed to iTunes customers who bought "Shake" and completed their purchases of 1989. Essentially, consumers who completed the album were returning "Shake," translating to its sales chart slip. For the purposes of the Hot 100, however, aggregate sales contribute to the song's overall point total.)

http://www.billboard.com/articles/co...s-no-1-hot-100

[Jeiboy]

So Hello wont be affected

[iamvladd]

Originally posted by Ger-55

Nope, since 2013 they deleted that rule. For example, Miley Cyrus with "Wrecking Ball" in 2013..



http://www.billboard.com/articles/ne...crowns-hot-100

Same thing happened with "Shake It Off" in 2014



http://www.billboard.com/articles/co...s-no-1-hot-100

How did SIO go back to #1 (with a 1 percent gain in overall points) if it fell off the Digital Songs Chart?

This gets so confusing.

[UNNAMI]

imagine her selling 3.3m pure sales and billboard saying it's 3.3m sales but 3.2 SPS because they substracted some sales