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Why do people deny Janet is a legend?
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People arguing against Janet's legend status are confusing LEGACY with RELEVANCY.
A musical legacy knows no geographical bounds. Sure, it may not be actively recognized everywhere, but that doesn't mean the legacy doesn't exist. Janet is a legend whether you're from the US, Ireland, Thailand, or Brazil. It doesn't depend on the place, it depends on the merits and achievements, However, Janet is not relevant in all these places. That's a fact, and Janet's stans should understand and accept this. No superstar is ever totally relevant everywhere. This is why some members are saying "Nobody knows ha" and "I can't name her hits" and "She's known as MJ's little sister". She may not be immediately culturally relevant in Italy or the Netherlands, and her albums' chart peaks may less than stellar in France or the UK, but her legacy stands everywhere. To deny this is like saying Meryl Streep hasn't really won 3 Oscars because she didn't win them in Macau. 
EDIT: TO MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT, relevancy depends on the place, legacy is inarguable.
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It doesn't matter what some people at ATRL think. Janet is a legend. From the 70's to now, she's successfully navigated through television, music, and movies. Her impact on her successors alone speaks volumes.
There are many legends that ATRL ignores because they are so fixated on some artists (especially mainstream female pop stars in particular) and aren't well educated on the history of entertainment and music. There are many legends that came before the "Madonna, Celine, Whitney, Mariah" era that so many like to use as a standard of what being a legend is.
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Originally posted by mrmikefern
People arguing against Janet's legend status are confusing LEGACY with RELEVANCY.
A musical legacy knows no geographical bounds. Sure, it may not be actively recognized everywhere, but that doesn't mean the legacy doesn't exist. Janet is a legend whether you're from the US, Ireland, Thailand, or Brazil. It doesn't depend on the place, it depends on the merits and achievements, However, Janet is not relevant in all these places. That's a fact, and Janet's stans should understand and accept this. No superstar is ever totally relevant everywhere. This is why some members are saying "Nobody knows ha" and "I can't name her hits" and "She's known as MJ's little sister". She may not be immediately culturally relevant in Italy or the Netherlands, and her albums' chart peaks may less than stellar in France or the UK, but her legacy stands everywhere. To deny this is like saying Meryl Streep hasn't really won 3 Oscars because she didn't win them in Macau.
EDIT: TO MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT, relevancy depends on the place, legacy is inarguable. |
Beautifully written, thank you. 
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Originally posted by Nippy'sReceipts
And what is this about a person not being a legend because YOU never heard their music before  So, I guess for most of this forum, Elvis Presley, Aretha Franklin, The Rolling Stones, Beethoven, Barbra Streisand, Diana Ross, Chuck Berry are not legendary either.  |
EXACTLY! Celia Cruz, Janis Joplin, and Teddy Pendergrass for example...I know maybe 2 or 3 songs of theirs, but they're legends and it'd be stupid to deny it. Know your history and stop being obsessed with sales, charts, and boxscores.
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Legend J seems to have many members pressed since her comeback.
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Wasn't she the first female to be nominated for producer of the year?
The cheek of Homebrand to say that when every girl in his siggy has stated her as an inspiration  . |
Yes.
I couldn't remember everyone in his/her siggy..but I noticed that too.
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You lol girls on here are beyond delusional smh.
Janet is LEGEND!!!
Just because you have never heard of her songs or she isn't that played in your country doesn't make her status in any less.
You don't get nominated to be in the Rock and Roll HOF if U aren't a LEGEND
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It's probably children born in the 2000s that say she isn't a legend, because they didn't grow up with her being everywhere.
She IS a legend, and no one can say otherwise.
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Originally posted by Witch_Privilege
She IS a legend, and no one can say otherwise.
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Yes we can and MANY of us are doing so on this very thread.
If she didnt have the Jackson name she'd be a nobody, lets get really real here.
Found this quote from another debate elsewhere about this where theres the same split opinion;
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Is Janet a legend all by herself? No, not in my opinion. Is the unit of Janet Jackson, Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis legendary? Maybe. Take away Jam and Lewis and where would Janet be?
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Take away her families name and where would she be also? Truth is she had huge help & privilige as an artist. Her music that is considered worthy & influential was done almost exclusively with Jimmy & Terry. There's a clue about where the real talent lay.
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Ignorance and stubbornness.
She's about to be inducted into the R&R HoF and the haters will still say she's not a legend lol.
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She's overshadowed by her brother who is a real legend. She pales in comparison.
And her voice is so weak & fragile.
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Janet has set records her brother doesn't even have.
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Originally posted by Rentboy
Yes we can and MANY of us are doing so on this very thread.
If she didnt have the Jackson name she'd be a nobody, lets get really real here.
Found this quote from another debate elsewhere about this where theres the same split opinion;
Take away her families name and where would she be also? Truth is she had huge help & privilige as an artist. Her music that is considered worthy & influential was done almost exclusively with Jimmy & Terry. There's a clue about where the real talent lay.
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This is like when people credit Quincy Jones for Michael Jackson. Producers help but they are not the end all.
They were not done exclusively by Jimmy and Terry.
Her family name hurts more than helps. And if it helped her that much she shouldn't be the only Jackdon other than Michael to make it.
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Originally posted by Rentboy
Yes we can and MANY of us are doing so on this very thread.
If she didnt have the Jackson name she'd be a nobody, lets get really real here.
Found this quote from another debate elsewhere about this where theres the same split opinion;
Take away her families name and where would she be also? Truth is she had huge help & privilige as an artist. Her music that is considered worthy & influential was done almost exclusively with Jimmy & Terry. There's a clue about where the real talent lay.
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LaToya, Rebbie and all the Jacksons basically tried to break through the same way Michael and Janet did. All of them FAILED. Janet got to where she is because of hard work and talent. You cannot put all of her huge cultural impact and iconic looks on Jimmy and Terry or the Jackson name. Lmao. FOH.
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Janet had Jimmy & Terry thats the big difference. Huge difference. Her first two albums did nothing and it was their production sound that really launched her career. And Latoya is 10 years older than her. Janet was young, pretty and had the right producers come along at the right time.
And Michael had huge succes without Quincy. He was a child superstar ffs. He had the most pure and beautiful child voice you could ever hear. Quincy didnt make him a dancer either. His talent his beyond question. Janets, not so much. She was more like another Britney. Taken on as a muse by producers and made a superstar.
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OK, and that still doesn't change the fact Janet is still the most successful and relevant Jackson behind Michael BY FAR, her siblings failed at any substantial solo success and that her cultural impacting moments and iconic looks had next to nothing to do with the Jackson name or J&T.
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Originally posted by Rentboy
Janet had Jimmy & Terry thats the big difference. Huge difference. Her first two albums did nothing and it was their production sound that really launched her career. And Latoya is 10 years older than her. Janet was young, pretty and had the right producers come along at the right time.
And Michael had huge succes without Quincy. He was a child superstar ffs. He had the most pure and beautiful child voice you could ever hear. Quincy didnt make him a dancer either. His talent his beyond question. Janets, not so much. She was more like another Britney. Taken on as a muse by producers and made a superstar.
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Nnnn. JJ/TL needed Janet as much as she needed them. All of them were out to prove that they can branch out on their own to make a mark in music. THEIR creativity produced some of the most ambitious and thought provoking albums in modern day music. THEY created what we know as contemporary rnb and pop music. So it was an collaborative effort that had Janet at the wheel creating HER own lane in music. She alone had iconic looks. She alone will most likely get inducted to the RRHOF(although JJ/TL should be inducted too). She alone created the blueprint for female pop performers. No one was doing what she was doing during Control.
YOU sound ignorant and misinformed by trying to diminish Janet's achievement by throwing Michael in the mix. He begged her to collaborate with him. A true testament of HER talent.
Just stop and revel in Janet's longevity. You wouldn't be in here if you didn't think she was worthy of the rightful title as Legend. 
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She wasnt creating anything with her first two albums. JJ & TL had big hits prior to Control and had established their own unique sound in RnB. Which Janet then jumped on.
And if you read up on Control you'll know that they had actually already wrote most of those songs for another artist but she turned them down as being not right for her image. So they used them for janet instead. So its clear who was driving the bus. The songs were ready made and then tweaked to fit Janet.
And spare me the insults. Always a sign of desperation. Theres nothing ignorant about my posts. Janet hasnt been relevant for 10 years so the longevity is questionable. People forgot she exists.
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And JJ and TL's most noteworthy work was with Janet Jackson. I guess that's just a coincidence, though. lmao
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The only thing desperate is you finding fault at concrete evidence that she is legend and actually pioneered a genre of music into pop culture. Spare yourself the wasted effort.
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Originally posted by Rentboy
She wasnt creating anything with her first two albums. JJ & TL had big hits prior to Control and had established their own unique sound in RnB. Which Janet then jumped on.
And if you read up on Control you'll know that they had actually already wrote most of those songs for another artist but she turned them down as being not right for her image. So they used them for janet instead. So its clear who was driving the bus. The songs were ready made and then tweaked to fit Janet.
And spare me the insults. Always a sign of desperation. Theres nothing ignorant about my posts. Janet hasnt been relevant for 10 years so the longevity is questionable. People forgot she exists.
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"Only one of the album's songs, "He Doesn't Know I'm Alive," penned by Flyte Tyme staff writer Spencer Bernard, was in hand when the sessions began."
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/li...ntrol-20110322
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That just means it was ready to go as was. Doesnt mean they didnt have other songs that just needed tweaking and adapting to Janet.
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"We wanted to do an album that would be in every black home in America ... we were going for the black album of all time."[1] Before their association with Jackson, Jam and Lewis had originally planned to record an album with tracks they wrote for Sharon Bryant, but she found their lyrics and sound to be too "rambunctious".[7] The duo presented the same set of recordings to Jackson, who gave her input and took co-writing and co-production credits for the album's content.
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Originally posted by rentboy
that just means it was ready to go as was. Doesnt mean they didnt have other songs that just needed tweaking and adapting to janet.
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They. Only. Had. One. Song. Done. And. It. Was. Not. Any. Of. The. Songs. Post. Janet's. Inception.
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