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Originally posted by Hugamari
Even if Psychic was becoming irrelevant, his Poison typing was not a make-or-break deal for Gengar. All it does is give him...grass resistance.
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And Toxic immunity. 
I'm not saying it would have been a flop without its Poison typing. I'm just saying that Poison types did have a place in the meta in past gens, Gengar being a prime example. If you're looking for other examples, what about Tentacruel, Venusaur and Crobat?
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Not me responding thinking that was Phresh.
The identity theft
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Originally posted by Chill Bill
And Toxic immunity.
I'm not saying it would have been a flop without its Poison typing. I'm just saying that Poison types did have a place in the meta in past gens, Gengar being a prime example. If you're looking for other examples, what about Tentacruel, Venusaur and Crobat? |
I think ppl are only saying it's ghost typing is a bigger part of why it was successful (ie: spinblocking, shadow ball barely being resisted, etc). Of course poison is one of the best defensive types in the game (though Gengar's ghost typing undermines that somewhat, as the fighting resistance is usually big selling point), and has a lot of great utility 'mons.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Chill Bill
And Toxic immunity.
I'm not saying it would have been a flop without its Poison typing. I'm just saying that Poison types did have a place in the meta in past gens, Gengar being a prime example. If you're looking for other examples, what about Tentacruel, Venusaur and Crobat? |
All of them have other types that added a ton to their viability (with the exception of Venusaur, who just got lucky with the ability + state of the metagame). None of them had their usefulness attached to their typing.
Tentacruel was a bulky water and a spinner. That gave him a niche little Pokemon could actually fill.
Venusaur was a run-of-the-mill sub seeder up until Gen 5 (and I will admit toxic immunity is actually great for a sub seeding set) where his niche became sun sweeper. Poison did little to help him as a sun sweeper in Gen 5.
Crobat was a fast utility Pokemon with immunity to entry hazards like spikes. He also had power in Brave Bird, and sustainability through Roost. It was his Flying type and amazing speed that carried him.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Hugamari
All of them have other types that added a ton to their viability (with the exception of Venusaur, who just got lucky with the ability + state of the metagame). None of them had their usefulness attached to their typing.
Tentacruel was a bulky water and a spinner. That gave him a niche little Pokemon could actually fill.
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Venusaur and Crobat I'll concede, but you have to admit that Tentacruel's Fighting resistance and Grass neutrality helped it at least a little. Poison/Water is actually a really solid defensive type combo, even today.
Also, I think you're really underselling the perk of Toxic immunity. Toxic has been one of stall's most powerful weapons since Gen II, basically putting any Pokemon it hits on a 5-10 turn timer. Immunity to Toxic has always been pretty valuable, to say the least.
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Starmie has dropped to UU a couple of times.
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Poison needs a legendary, I think its the only type not to have one right?
Although they can keep it if its anything like the gen 4/5 legends
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Quote:
Originally posted by Chill Bill
Venusaur and Crobat I'll concede, but you have to admit that Tentacruel's Fighting resistance and Grass neutrality helped it at least a little. Poison/Water is actually a really solid defensive type combo, even today.
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especially* today
Toxic immunity on a defensive pokemon is a blessing, and even moreso since Tentacruel has no reliable recovery or way of removing status ailments without a cleric. And poison does blend well with water, but I don't think that would've mattered much if Tentacruel didn't have as good of Special Defense as he had.
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Quote:
Originally posted by PhreshDiamond
Poison needs a legendary, I think its the only type not to have one right?
Although they can keep it if its anything like the gen 4/5 legends
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They can keep their poison legendary. The god of all types, Normal, already has one, and that's all that matters.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Hugamari
They can keep their poison legendary. The god of all types, Normal, already has one, and that's all that matters.
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huga pls, I want to love you but you make it so difficult.
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Originally posted by PhreshDiamond
huga pls, I want to love you but you make it so difficult.
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Where did I lie? Arceus, literal god of all Pokemon, is the best type, Normal. It's really fitting.
(You have Arceus Poison tho isn't that good enough 4 u?)
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Poison is not really a good defensive type, it only kinda works on Gengar because of Levitate, lbr.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Hugamari
Where did I lie? Arceus, literal god of all Pokemon, is the best type, Normal. It's really fitting.
(You have Arceus Poison tho isn't that good enough 4 u?)
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Arceus is dumb though and no thats not even close to good enough for queen poison type
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Originally posted by AMIT
Poison is not really a good defensive type, it only kinda works on Gengar because of Levitate, lbr.
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1 weakness when coupled with levitate and a ton of common attacking type resists, ground immune and toxic immune
girl what
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Quote:
Originally posted by PhreshDiamond
when coupled with levitate
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Yes, that was my point, thanks.
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Originally posted by AMIT
Yes, that was my point, thanks.
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ok but 2 weaknesses is not exactly crippling either 
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Quote:
Originally posted by PhreshDiamond
Arceus is dumb though and no thats not even close to good enough for queen poison type
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Arceus is actually omnipotent and omnipresent, but try again!
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Quote:
Originally posted by Hugamari
Arceus is actually omnipotent and omnipresent, but try again!
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Quote:
Originally posted by PhreshDiamond
ok but 2 weaknesses is not exactly crippling either
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It's not about the quantity. Ground is a very relevant weakness. You can't just act like it's weak to Bug or something.
If it weren't for that then I'd agree about it being a good defensive typing, it's just decent the way it is, imo. 
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