[Ventitonic]

Originally posted by StonedSoulPicnic

Mariah isn't even acclaimed much for her songwriting, so I'm not sure why most of you expected her to be on this list.

It's because her voice is so amazing that it's looked over

[Touchdown]

Originally posted by StonedSoulPicnic

Mariah isn't even acclaimed much for her songwriting, so I'm not sure why most of you expected her to be on this list.

The female artist who wrote the most number one hits Ok

[StonedSoulPicnic]

Originally posted by Touchdown

The female artist who wrote the most number one hits Ok

I love Mariah, but I'm not going to lie and claim that her music is as acclaimed as Madonna's. She has never been a critics darling. Her albums almost never appear on "best of" lists, while Madonna's often do appear on such lists. I don't even think most people know that Mariah writes her own material. Most people just see her a great vocalist. I, too, believe that she is a better songwriter than Madonna, but she is not as acclaimed as Madonna.

[Hunter_13]

Originally posted by idkher

And Madonna and Taylor Swift are

Taylor is.

[T.C]

Janet should definitely be there

[stevyy]

how many albums are featured in the RS 1001 albums of all times you should listen to before you die...

it is either 2 or 3.

Daydream, Butterfly and...her debut or TEOM... so much for not being acclaimed... acclaim is so loosely used here. and we are only talking about songwriting in this context.

is acclaim something you read about in a dailymail article? when you receive a dozen ASCAP and BMI Awards on top of being inducted in the (yeah semi-prestigeous but still) Long Island Hall of Fame (which btw includes other big names like Carole King and Goffin, Clive Davis, etc)... when you receive a Recording Academy Award of HONOR... i mean what do ppl not understand? THAT is acclaim. However all those awards (incl. several Grammy nominations for SONG of the YEAR, on top of winning best R&B song) mean nothing for at least 2 magazines that released their best of lists: The Telegraph (UK based) and Rolling Stone which has awarded her Best new Artist in 1991 btw.

a Dozen Soul Train Awards, including 2 of the 3 highest honors in R&B (Quincy Jones Award, and Aretha Franklin Award) the former obviously being more on the songwriting side of music achievements since Quincy Jones was not exactly a singer....

it all is downplayed bc Madonna is in the R&R HOF and won a Golden Globe? (you are only being eligible to be inducted into the R&R HOF after you have completed 25 years in the music industry which in Mariah's case was 8 weeks ago) But what does that have to do with Mariah's own recognition.. and btw Taylor didn't receive half the industry accolades and is still featured in those lists.

RS is american based.. Mariah also won a Rockefellar Center Award of Achievement and a f'cking CONGRESSIONAL MEDAL!!!!

to understand RS better there is another list of best ever singers.. where Mariah ranks #79th... barely made it in...

RS is biased.

And just to clarify the Telegraph list again: Mariah has been nominated for a Brit Award half a dozen times in her career and in 1994 and 2006 was the top selling female artist in the UK and still didnt win. lol

in the 2005/2006 season, she had sold over 1,1 million ALBUMS + half a million singles (600k for TEOM and 500k for GH), had 3 top 10 singles (#2, #4, #9) + #11...

thank god Germany, France, Japan and Australia weren't so harsh on her and gave her a freaking Echo, NRJ, Gold Disc and ARIA award.

i dont think people know what critically acclaimed means... It is more than a magazine review... in RS.

[Ventitonic]

You betta go awf stevyy

[ashuduff]

Originally posted by Orpheus

No Mariah Carey?

/listcanceled


Rolling Stone must stop their deliberate snubbing of the chanteuse. So transparent.

Originally posted by simmnfierzig

Is Taylor the only artist on the list that debuted this century? Can't see anyone else from a quick look.

Get over it.

[like2throw]

Originally posted by stevyy

how many albums are featured in the RS 1001 albums of all times you should listen to before you die...

Two Limp Bizkit albums are on that list.

[stevyy]

Originally posted by like2throw

Two Limp Bizkit albums are on that list.

needless to say that i own their entire discography.

[Travis Bickle]

Originally posted by like2throw

Two Limp Bizkit albums are on that list.

The list wasn't made by RS.

[ultraviolento]

Originally posted by idkher

And Madonna and Taylor Swift are

Madonna is and that's why she's the most acclaimed female artist of all time Stay pressed though!

[stevyy]

not to mention that RS has been majorly biased against women in general, incl. Madonna..

[Dani97]

The girl who wrote Clean and All Too Well deserves all the price

[Penny.]

anyone trying to come for taylor's songwriting needs to go read the lyrics to All Too Well
that song alone should get her on this list let alone the fact that she has sooooooooo many more beautifully written masterpieces

[Indigo Blue]

No Mariah?

[TayTay4Life]

Taylor

[Bríseis]

Originally posted by stevyy

Mariah is the female songwriter with most #1 singles in the United States (17)

Mariah wrote the (so far) latest entry on the alltime christmas carols canon (at the age of 24).

As a songwriter, she was nominated for the prestigeous Record of the Year Grammy Award 3 times (Vision of Love 1991, One Sweet day 1996 and We Belong Together 2006).

As a songwriter, she was also nominated for the prestigeous Song of the Year Grammy Award 2 times: 1991 Vision of Love, We Belong Together 2006).

Madonna on the other hand has never been even nominated for a Grammy for Song of the Year.
Taylor Swift has also been nominated twice for a Grammy for Song of The Year (both of which as a co-writer like Mariah).

Popularity =/= Quality
There are examples when both go hand in hand, but much more often they dont.

How many Grammys does Leonard Cohens best albums won? Or Bob Marleys, Velvets, The Clashs or even Bob Dylans at his artistic peak? I will answer this for you - None! All of them belong to already legendary artists whose best albums changed the music scene for good while being ignored by the Grammys when it mattered. Yeah, Grammys later wanted to make up for the snubs by giving Leonard and Bob Marley the Lifetime Achievement award, or including The Clashs and Velvets albums into their Grammys Hall Of Fame or by giving Bob Dylan a lot of awards for insignificant stuff decades after his peak, because time showed how important those artists are.

On the other hand, how many nominations does Katy Perry have? Wasnt Bieber nominated? What about Milli Vanilli? Or BEP? Lol Come on now.

Grammys are a popularity contest, where critics chose the safest and most acclaimed option from the currently popular artists as their winner, and the labels sponsoring them have a lot to do with who gets the nods/noms.

[Pecinta Mariah]

Mariah didn't make on this list, that's not a shocker... Mariah is more popular as a songwriter tho than some of the pop girls from those list

[HazelEyes]

Mariah has sang more #1 hits than any other solo artist.
Mariah has written more #1 hits than any other female artist.
Mariah has produced more #1 hits than other female artist.

To say that Mariah didn't deserve to be on the list is blasphemy. And to say that popularity doesn't equal quality doesn't really hold water. Because if they were going by that criteria a lot of artists that are on there wouldn't be on there. Rolling Stone just hates Mariah for some reason. I remember when their readers voted One Sweet Day the greatest duet of all time, the editors threw a fit. Who knows why? Probably they're just mad that a mixed female not only equalled, but surpassed the achievements of all their favorite artists from way back when they were founded in the 60's and 70's. Too bad they haven't been particularly relevant recently running on shock tactics and political commentary to draw interest. At the end of the day Mariah will have impacted music far more than a lot of the people on that list. Just look at how every few years someone is labelled the next Mariah, but is never able to come close to the musical genius that is Mariah. Often imitated, never duplicated.