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TV Show: Pretty Little Liars | The Final Season
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Originally posted by HEIDI
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Marlene said in 2014 that we'd seen the Black Widow in Season 4 without the costume on, so that means the blonde girl at the Pavillion was ****ing Sara.  |
that's impossible because in season 4 Sara was shown through a stock picture (  ). They only introduced her character in season 6, it's just Marlene being ****** writer
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CeCe really isn't the problem. SHOWER is.
Gosh my HATE for her grows so much each and every day. I love CeCe's story. But I wanted Jenna as Black Widow and Melissa as Red Coat
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I know it's because mArlene doesn't understand numbers or continuity, but technically if you go by what's on the show, Jason and CeCe apparently dated for like 4 years.
Jason graduated high school 7 years ago. Jason and CeCe met when he was still at Rosewood.
The summer of Cape May and Ali's subsequent disappearance was 3 years ago (the show taking place in junior/senior year and there being a one-year gap between the disappearance and the pilot). That was when Jessica found out Jason was dating CeCe.
And Jason never had a problem with no sex?
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Originally posted by fridayteenage
I know it's because mArlene doesn't understand numbers or continuity, but technically if you go by what's on the show, Jason and CeCe apparently dated for like 4 years.
Jason graduated high school 7 years ago. Jason and CeCe met when he was still at Rosewood.
The summer of Cape May and Ali's subsequent disappearance was 3 years ago (the show taking place in junior/senior year and there being a one-year gap between the disappearance and the pilot). That was when Jessica found out Jason was dating CeCe.
And Jason never had a problem with no sex?
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a writer literally said that the timeline meant nothing to him. 
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Member Since: 8/13/2012
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Originally posted by fridayteenage
I know it's because mArlene doesn't understand numbers or continuity, but technically if you go by what's on the show, Jason and CeCe apparently dated for like 4 years.
Jason graduated high school 7 years ago. Jason and CeCe met when he was still at Rosewood.
The summer of Cape May and Ali's subsequent disappearance was 3 years ago (the show taking place in junior/senior year and there being a one-year gap between the disappearance and the pilot). That was when Jessica found out Jason was dating CeCe.
And Jason never had a problem with no sex?
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This makes me SO uncomfortable. I can't believe they were this lazy
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CeCe’s goal was to not only get her sister back, but to be just like Alison, not the other way around like we thought. From the misleading information she got from Mona, she was under the honest impression that the girls were Ali’s dolls. Marlene said that CeCe couldn’t distinguish the difference between a person and a doll, and that this problem started before she was admitted into Radley. She wanted to be like Alison. She wanted to live the life she never got to live, this becomes obvious when she talks about trying to impersonate her when meeting the girls. She was so excited about it. When she took over the game from Mona, she thought she was playing with these dolls like Alison did. Not only did she realize that by playing with them, she could find out if Alison was still alive, but afterwards she became obsessed with it. She said it was like a drug. Then she goes on to talk about how she loves them, and wouldn’t ever do anything serious to hurt them, but she has. This is where the disorder comes in. People with intermittent explosive disorder can go into a rage when things don’t go their way (i.e Alison leaving town). These episodes are impulsive, aggressive, and violent. “People with intermittent explosive disorder may attack others and their possessions, causing bodily injury and property damage.” Just like -A. CeCe only got mad when Alison “didn’t listen”. She took it out on her, and her dolls. It’s common for people with intermittent explosive disorder to feel remorse and regret.
It makes sense.
CeCe’s motive wasn’t to go after the girls for revenge. She was mentally unstable. She was obsessed with the idea of playing with Alison’s dolls and having them for her own, because she wanted to be like her, and she felt alone. She would only hurt the girls when things didn’t go her way (i.e when they tried to sneak out of the dollhouse). It’s the perfect A storyline. Whether it’s excusable or not, we finally got an understanding of what was going through -A’s head. It humanized her. I’m really excited to see her in 6B, getting help with Alison by her side.
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http://jamienotspears.tumblr.com/pos...9/ceces-motive
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tldr
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Fandom - Marlene
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Member Since: 12/10/2010
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THIS. Combined with SHower Harvey being Red Coat AND Black Widow was just awful and rude to all the fans. |
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It's not the who or the why. It's the how and execution that was terrible and they should be ashamed.
Go watch Pllfreaks13 on YouTube. Those girls sum it up all together. The way they made Cece as A didn't add up. One thing they talked about: it was heavily implied that Cece had sex with Eric Kahn. That makes a little to no sense now!!!
And I can't at some praising this mess. Even if Wren was A, I would've been pissed if they pulled some dumb ****. I'm actually glad it's not him because they ruined Cece's character and whole story arc! Aria & Wren are those should've situations that fans will always say would've been a better route.
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Originally posted by King Maxx
It's not the who or the why. It's the how and execution that was terrible and they should be ashamed.
Go watch Pllfreaks13 on YouTube. Those girls sum it up all together. The way they made Cece as A didn't add up. One thing they talked about: it was heavily implied that Cece had sex with Eric Kahn. That makes a little to no sense now!!!
And I can't at some praising this mess. Even if Wren was A, I would've been pissed if they pulled some dumb ****. I'm actually glad it's not him because they ruined Cece's character and whole story arc! Aria & Wren are those should've situations that fans will always say would've been a better route.
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Why doesn't CeCe having sex with Eric make sense...? 
Bitch had been abstinent for what, 6 years? Of course she got some action. 
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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Originally posted by HEIDI
Why doesn't CeCe having sex with Eric make sense...?
Bitch had been abstinent for what, 6 years? Of course she got some action. |
Because 1)Marlene said its up for interpretation if she really got a sex change and 2)When the hell did Cece have time to hang with Ali at Cape May, date Jason, and date Eric while being in Radley.
And another thing: it makes no sense for her to tell the Liars Wilden was Beach Hottie. He could've exposed her! And Cece told Emily she was in the yellow top and did have that convo with Melissa. Now she didn't know what Ali was talking about?!?!?! Like I said, plot holes upon plot holes.
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Originally posted by King Maxx
Because 1)Marlene said its up for interpretation if she really got a sex change and 2)When the hell did Cece have time to hang with Ali at Cape May, date Jason, and date Eric while being in Radley.
And another thing: it makes no sense for her to tell the Liars Wilden was Beach Hottie. He could've exposed her! And Cece told Emily she was in the yellow top and did have that convo with Melissa. Now she didn't know what Ali was talking about?!?!?! Like I said, plot holes upon plot holes.
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fff, sis, like 3 days worth of events happened the day Ali disappeared.
CeCe is a convincing liar. She was lying to Emily and then immediately threw Melissa under the bus. She didn't say that she didn't know what Ali was talking about either, she just flat out denied it. No matter who A turned out to be, there still would have been plot holes because they literally wrote themselves into a corner.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Heyguq2a3iI
This scene makes no sense!!! She threw them both under the bus but it could've came back to bite her in the ass. I can't at y'all believing that finale was even plausible in any shape or form. Cece always as A? Maybe. The story we got? Made up this year. Sorry but Wren would've had 2 plot holes at the most.
Like I have always said, I never wanted it to be him. It just made the most sense. And I knew if it was anyone else we would be having this very conversation.
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Originally posted by King Maxx
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Heyguq2a3iI
This scene makes no sense!!! She threw them both under the bus but it could've came back to bite her in the ass. I can't at y'all believing that finale was even plausible in any shape or form. Cece always as A? Maybe. The story we got? Made up this year. Sorry but Wren would've had 2 plot holes at the most.
Like I have always said, I never wanted it to be him. It just made the most sense. And I knew if it was anyone else we would be having this very conversation.
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CeCe had to make-up a lie to save herself, so I guess she had no choice but to make-up a plausible suspect even if it could come back to bite her in the butt.
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What would have Wilden exposed CeCe for, though?
He didn't know she hit Ali with a rock. He didn't know she transitioned.
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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Maybe it's how bad the finale was but exactly did they say Wilden knew? How involved was he? Both him and Melissa could've said she was lying. Putting even more suspicion on her. That's not an A move.
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Plot hole #346: Mona apparently hit Bethany. She just realized this. Okay no!!! But here's the thing. Mona had Ali's bracelet and had it as A. We see Ali give it to her. Yet Jason said it was found on "Ali's (actually Bethany's) body.
There were two? So Bethany had the other Ali bracelet? How did she even get it and why was she wearing it?
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It is an -A move to cast suspicion on someone. Mona did it to Melissa. CeCe did it to Paige and Melissa.
Maybe bold, but that's -A.
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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It's an A move to put suspicion on others. But it's not when one you made up a lie that both Wilden and Melissa could've came back and exposed Cece. She was even leaving town. I really believed she was scared of Wilden. The A we thought we knew would have never did that. They really did want us to feel sorry for A and Cece and A in general was anything but what they made her. Bad writing. That's all I'm saying.
How was anything Cece related obvious to figure out? "Oh we basically give it away every Cece scene." But it didn't actually if I'm still questioning it. With Mona we all went "Oh it makes so much sense"
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You have to take into consideration that she was put on the spot. Not only was she avoiding the subject, but there's a mere pause as she gets her story together in her head before she mentions the NAT videos to Emily.
There are a lot of plotholes, yes, but a lot of the CeCe scenes make sense in the big picture. I think CeCe was scared of Wilden and that's why she killed him: then Marlene changed her reasoning so she could further '''''humanize''''' A.
Frankly, I would have liked it more if -A was just straight up psychotic past redemption. Wren, CeCe, Lucas, I don't care. The sympathy they were trying to give -A was a bit bizarre.
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I feel like it was planned . Remember when Mona & Spencer snuck into Radley and they found tapes of Bethany's sessions? She said "is it like mother like daughter with that family?" And everyone was oh ali knew Bethany!!!!!!!! But she was talking about Cece.
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