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Poll: Safest musically: Taylor or Katy?
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Crossing over to pop with the help of max martin is anything but risky.
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Originally posted by Buffy
Some of you are saying Taylor's naturally been progressing towards pop and don't consider that risk-taking, when in reality that's what happened. She took risks alienating her country fan base by becoming more and more pop. I Knew You Were Trouble was a departure from her usual country-pop genre. 1989 was a major departure from country. She even publicly addressed Country that she was no longer country, but everyone still loved her and couldn't let her go. That's definition of risk.
Taylor has sonically taken more risks than Katy. Katy remains in the safe zone, creating only generic pop songs.
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Um, Taylor was already popular among teen girls & young adults with her pop friendly country songs. I could see if she released 1989 after Speak Now, but she released an album prior to 1989, basically gearing everyone up for her full pop song. There's nothing risky about that lol. & in no way is she sonically risky. Her music is safe as well.
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Originally posted by Bey_Rihstan
Um, Taylor was already popular among teen girls & young adults with her pop friendly country songs. I could see if she released 1989 after Speak Now, but she released an album prior to 1989, basically gearing everyone up for her full pop song. There's nothing risky about that lol. & in no way is she sonically risky. Her music is safe as well.
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But since One of the Boys, Katy has been catering to 12 year-old girls and brain-dead gays (no shade). Her style hasn't changed, while Taylor's has, even if it was gradual. Go on some Youtube videos for tracks from her debut and Fearless and people will comment, "I want this Taylor back," "I miss the old Taylor," etc. I don't think anybody is saying that about Katy because she never changed. 
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1989 isn't a risky album sonically, but as a career move it was a risk. She had built a hugely successful career in Country music and was completely departing from it.....A lot of Country fans are extremely fickle and will go against an artist completely once they leave Country (they're also extremely unaccepting to artists from other genres trying to cross over into Country). All 4 of her previous albums were predominantly considered Country and had Country hit singles. A lot of people thought her sales and overall success with an entirely Pop album was going to see a decline since she wasn't catering to the genre that she built her career in.
Even putting straight up Pop singles on Red (especially an edgier Pop song like IKYWT) was a risk. A lot of Country fans started disliking her because of them, saying how she isn't truly Country, etc. She had a couple of songs cross over into being Top 40 hits about 4 years before, but she released an album after them (Speak Now) with no Pop hits or success, just Country.
Another risk Taylor took was deciding to release an album entirely penned by herself, no cowriters, with just her original producer.
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Originally posted by MissedTheTrain
1989 isn't a risky album sonically, but as a career move it was a risk. She had built a hugely successful career in Country music and was completely departing from it.....A lot of Country fans are extremely fickle and will go against an artist completely once they leave Country (they're also extremely unaccepting to artists from other genres trying to cross over into Country). All 4 of her previous albums were predominantly considered Country and had Country hit singles. A lot of people thought her sales and overall success with an entirely Pop album was going to see a decline since she wasn't catering to the genre that she built her career in.
Even putting straight up Pop singles on Red (especially an edgier Pop song like IKYWT) was a risk. A lot of Country fans started disliking her because of them, saying how she isn't truly Country, etc. She had a couple of songs cross over into being Top 40 hits about 4 years before, but she released an album after them (Speak Now) with no Pop hits or success, just Country.
Another risk Taylor took was deciding to release an album entirely penned by herself, no cowriters, with just her original producer.
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Thank you. This post sums up everything that needs to be said. Katy is FAR more safe than Taylor. She's consistently pop, whereas Taylor's taken risks with her career in regards to musical direction. Let's also not forget her stance on streaming and took herself off Spotify. She could've done a lot of damage to her career by switching up genres and alienating her fan base(s).
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Originally posted by Buffy
Katy is FAR more safe than Taylor. She's consistently pop, whereas Taylor's taken risks with her career in regards to musical direction.
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Not when the move from the pop-rock-oriented One of the Boys to the bubblegum-oriented Teenage Dream is already a bigger change than Taylor's "musical direction" for her whole discography.
Katy is safe, but Taylor is extremely safe. Stop calling her a risk-taker 
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Originally posted by MissedTheTrain
1989 isn't a risky album sonically, but as a career move it was a risk. She had built a hugely successful career in Country music and was completely departing from it.....A lot of Country fans are extremely fickle and will go against an artist completely once they leave Country (they're also extremely unaccepting to artists from other genres trying to cross over into Country). All 4 of her previous albums were predominantly considered Country and had Country hit singles. A lot of people thought her sales and overall success with an entirely Pop album was going to see a decline since she wasn't catering to the genre that she built her career in.
Even putting straight up Pop singles on Red (especially an edgier Pop song like IKYWT) was a risk. A lot of Country fans started disliking her because of them, saying how she isn't truly Country, etc. She had a couple of songs cross over into being Top 40 hits about 4 years before, but she released an album after them (Speak Now) with no Pop hits or success, just Country.
Another risk Taylor took was deciding to release an album entirely penned by herself, no cowriters, with just her original producer.
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Nothing about 1989 was risky omg. Stop the essays and just admit that Taylor is basic and has been basic since 2006. 
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Originally posted by MissedTheTrain
1989 isn't a risky album sonically, but as a career move it was a risk. She had built a hugely successful career in Country music and was completely departing from it.....A lot of Country fans are extremely fickle and will go against an artist completely once they leave Country (they're also extremely unaccepting to artists from other genres trying to cross over into Country). All 4 of her previous albums were predominantly considered Country and had Country hit singles. A lot of people thought her sales and overall success with an entirely Pop album was going to see a decline since she wasn't catering to the genre that she built her career in.
Even putting straight up Pop singles on Red (especially an edgier Pop song like IKYWT) was a risk. A lot of Country fans started disliking her because of them, saying how she isn't truly Country, etc. She had a couple of songs cross over into being Top 40 hits about 4 years before, but she released an album after them (Speak Now) with no Pop hits or success, just Country.
Another risk Taylor took was deciding to release an album entirely penned by herself, no cowriters, with just her original producer.
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So much truth 
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kats using OOTB as an example when HnC/IKaG aka her two hits from the album are both pop/bubblegum pop tracks
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^ Katy's getting you pressed always 
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Nothing about 1989 was risky omg. Stop the essays and just admit that Taylor is basic and has been basic since 2006. |
You're simultaneously defending Katy and calling Taylor "basic"? What a joke.
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Not when the move from the pop-rock-oriented One of the Boys to the bubblegum-oriented Teenage Dream is already a bigger change than Taylor's "musical direction" for her whole discography.
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One of the Boys isn't a drastic change sonically from Teenage Dream. They're both pop influenced. In fact, both albums could be merged or be an extension of one or the other.
1989 is sonically wayyyyy different than the 1st Taylor Swift record.
And changing to a completely different genre IS a risk. She sacrificed ties with Country and their award shows* to pursue Pop. That's a risk. Like someone else stated, Country is very particular with their artists. Taylor could've faced huge backlash and shunned completely from Country, but instead they embraced her.
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Unwrapping a box of candies and arguing which is the sweetest.
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Unwrapping a box of candies and arguing which is the sweetest.
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I would guess the box whose album covers feature cotton candy clouds and ice cream cones, but what do I know anyway?!
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I would guess the box whose album covers feature cotton candy clouds and ice cream cones, but what do I know anyway?!
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Originally posted by chilicheese01
But since One of the Boys, Katy has been catering to 12 year-old girls and brain-dead gays (no shade). Her style hasn't changed, while Taylor's has, even if it was gradual. Go on some Youtube videos for tracks from her debut and Fearless and people will comment, "I want this Taylor back," "I miss the old Taylor," etc. I don't think anybody is saying that about Katy because she never changed. |
You're so pressed--you DO see exactly that on Katy's videos. Her sound had changed and evolved (albeit, not lately), you're just not versed enough in what you are saying to be correct.
Neither artist is risky or makes risky music. Nothing risky about generic, mainstream pop. Something RISKY was kelly clarkson releasig MD after the breakout BA. But Taylor going from safe country music to safe country pop music to safe pop music....nothing risky about "safe."
Which is fine, both artists are still going strong. It's whatever
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There's not much to compare.
Taylor is risky (for her standards) when it come to genres.
Katy is risky when it comes to lyrics.
Overall: Taylor is the safest I think.
But both are the safest out there soooo…
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Taylor makes pop music since 2008.
That argument is really invalid.
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Originally posted by Buffy
One of the Boys isn't a drastic change sonically from Teenage Dream. They're both pop influenced. In fact, both albums could be merged or be an extension of one or the other.
1989 is sonically wayyyyy different than the 1st Taylor Swift record.
And changing to a completely different genre IS a risk. She sacrificed ties with Country and their award shows* to pursue Pop. That's a risk. Like someone else stated, Country is very particular with their artists. Taylor could've faced huge backlash and shunned completely from Country, but instead they embraced her.
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It was sonically different from her previous albums but she went to a SAFER sound. Minimalist indie pop is the trend right now and she did everything but risk her musicianship.
While OOTB isn't a drastic change sonically from Teenage Dream, we really can't say different with Red and 1989. All she did different with 1989 is she fully moved to pop. Which is a change but definitely not a risk.
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Taylor. Katy is the biggest risk taker of all time, debuting with I Kissed A Girl. 
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