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Discussion: Do you think eating meat will be illegal in the future?
Member Since: 8/19/2013
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This is what happens when liberals get what they want
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not in our lifetime at least.
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Originally posted by Chill Bill
By your logic you're pretty much committing genocide every time you pick up a bar of soap  |
There's no need to use strawman arguments.
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ATRL Senior Member
Member Since: 3/22/2012
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Originally posted by Miracle Whip
It's natural for animals to eat meat, it's not natural for humans.
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Please don't spread lies, it's perfectly natural for humans to eat meat and almost all of our biological ancestors did so. Say what you want about ethical implications and all, but don't flat out lie. Eating meat provided us the biological capacity to develop the large, effective brains we have today, according to actual scientific study. Eating meat was pretty much the primary nutrient source for hunting and gathering peoples before agriculture developed and still remained one of the primary food sources for, well, five thousand more years (which is today).
Talk about how it's not "100% necessary" for people to eat meat (although it's pretty damn difficult to arrange and afford a perfectly balanced vegan or vegetarian diet for many people). Talk about the "ethics" behind it (although I don't follow the pseudo-Kantian viewpoint that all animal life is sacred or not ours to use or all that). But don't lie.
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Oop @ these "sources" people are throwing around and the lies and fallacies in them which have people arguing 
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Member Since: 6/28/2008
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I don't think so. People like meat too much, even more than they like alcohol, and you know how prohibition went...
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Member Since: 8/1/2012
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Listen up brothers and sisters, come hear my desperate tale
I speak of our friends of nature, trapped in the dirt like a jail
Vegetables live in oppresion, served on our tables each night
The killing of veggies is madness, I say we take up the fight
Salads are only for murderers, cole slaw's a fascist regime
Don't think that they don't have feelings, just 'cause a radish can't scream
I've heard the screams of the vegetables
Watching their skins being peeled
Grated and steamed with no mercy
How do you think that feels?
Carrot Juice constitutes murder
Greenhouses prisons for slaves
It's time to stop all this gardening
Let's call a spade a spade
I saw a man eating celery, so I beat him black and blue
If he ever touches a sprout again, I'll bite him clean in two
I'm a political prisoner trapped in a windowless cage
'cause I stopped the slaughter of turnips by killing three men in a rage
I told the judge when he sentenced me, this is my finest hour
I'd kill those farmers again just to save one more cauliflower
I've heard the screams of the vegetables
Watching their skins being peeled
Grated and steamed with no mercy
How do you think that feels?
Carrot Juice constitutes murder
Greenhouses prisons for slaves
It's time to stop all this gardening
Let's call a spade a spade
How low as people do we dare to stoop
Making young broccoli's bleed in the soup
Untie your beans, uncage your tomatoes, let potted plants free, don't mash that potato
I've heard the screams of the vegetables
Watching their skins being peeled
Grated and steamed with no mercy
How do you think that feels
Carrot Juice constitutes murder
Greenhouses prisons for slaves
It's time to stop all this gardening
Let's call a spade a spade
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Member Since: 10/18/2010
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Originally posted by Miracle Whip
I'm so SICK of people acting like we are the most important things on this planet when we are actually one of the worst things to ever happen to the planet
All over living creatures have been here a lot longer than us and you can sure as hell bet that they are going to still be here after us
I can't wait till we all die out and the earth can finally start to heal
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And then the sun bursts and Earth along with it. We aren't the most important things on this planet, but we could be if we work along with nature. Right now, plants are the most important thing in the world, but only because they keep every living thing on this planet alive. Both as sustenance and atmosphere providers.
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Member Since: 8/1/2012
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Originally posted by Nano
There's no need to use strawman arguments.
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He said EVERY living creature. Last time I checked, bacteria are living creatures.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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If we are supposed to eat meat why are we the ONLY meat eaters on the planet that have to cook meat for it be consumable?
Why are we the only animals that can't eat meat raw?
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Dead flesh begins to putrefy in a matter of hours after the death of the animal, which is why such care has to be taken to keep meat refrigerated. The long time that it takes for flesh to be digested by humans can only lead to a danger of putrefaction occurring in our digestive systems, especially during the long time spent in the large intestine. It is no coincidence that vegetarians are 10 times less likely to suffer from cancer of the bowel than meat eaters.
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Human teeth in the same back position are flat molars (that means grinders) used for the grinding of grains. Our jaws can move in a backward and forward motion and also from side to side, ideal for grinding. At the same time, our saliva produces enzymes to break down starches. "But surely we have canine teeth?" someone invariably asks. Look at a cat or a dog's canine teeth and you will see that they project down further than the others, like those of an imaginary blood-sucking vampire. So our canines cannot have any use for attacking prey and our jaws do not project forward from the face as they do with cats and dogs. Our front teeth are well adapted for biting fruit and cutting up vegetables.
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http://www.vegansa.com/veganism-diet...-evolution.php
Our stomach was not designed to eat meat if anyone actually did any research you'd know this by now.
Humans eating meat isn't natural and it never will be.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Chill Bill
He said EVERY living creature. Last time I checked, bacteria are living creatures.
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Let me not.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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It should be and it will be
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Retro
Please don't spread lies, it's perfectly natural for humans to eat meat and almost all of our biological ancestors did so. Say what you want about ethical implications and all, but don't flat out lie. Eating meat provided us the biological capacity to develop the large, effective brains we have today, according to actual scientific study. Eating meat was pretty much the primary nutrient source for hunting and gathering peoples before agriculture developed and still remained one of the primary food sources for, well, five thousand more years (which is today).
Talk about how it's not "100% necessary" for people to eat meat (although it's pretty damn difficult to arrange and afford a perfectly balanced vegan or vegetarian diet for many people). Talk about the "ethics" behind it (although I don't follow the pseudo-Kantian viewpoint that all animal life is sacred or not ours to use or all that). But don't lie.
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I didn't lie.
Eating meat isn't natural, we did not evolve to eat meat.
Our bodies still can't properly digest meat.
Our bodies were not designed to eat meat.
Maybe do a little research before you come for me?
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Member Since: 8/1/2012
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Look at a cat or a dog's canine teeth and you will see that they project down further than the others, like those of an imaginary blood-sucking vampire. So our canines cannot have any use for attacking prey and our jaws do not project forward from the face as they do with cats and dogs. Our front teeth are well adapted for biting fruit and cutting up vegetables.
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The bias, the reaching 
Yeah, our teeth don't resemble those of dogs or cats. Know why? Because dogs and cats are obligate carnivores. We're omnivores.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Chill Bill
The bias, the reaching
Yeah, our teeth don't resemble those of dogs or cats. Know why? Because dogs and cats are obligate carnivores. We're omnivores. |
You still didn't address the argument of why we're the only meat eaters that have to cook the meat for it to be edible.
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Member Since: 12/16/2008
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Originally posted by Miracle Whip
That's actually not true.
If you did some research you'd know that humans haven't always eaten meat and our bodies are still adapting to eating meat.
Do you really think eating meat is natural to humans when it gives us cancer and other diseases?
If eating meat was natural we wouldn't get sick from eating it.
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Animal meat doesn't give you cancer nor ****, unless you mean processed food but that is another thing.
Anyway the humans being have been eating meat ever since they put their feet on earth so I don't know how that would change now? What I am totally against to is the horrible treatment they give the animals before they kill them.
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ATRL Contributor
Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by Kartrashian
there are so many things wrong with this post. 
1) Let's not forget, that humans are fundamentally ANIMALS. The fact we have evolved to process moral/rational thought (i.e. distinguishing right from wrong, establishing the ethics around 'death' which other animals cannot) does not change the fact that our entire evolutionary line shows examples of hunting and eating meat.
2) Yes, it is true you can get the right amount of nutrients/amino acids from plants. But it is highly inefficient and going back to evolution - do you really think that our ancestors had the time to research vegan recipes online and microwave kale chips? The answer is NO. For an easy source of protein they obviously went to red meat - killing and hunting was far more accessible in their time, and through evolution the modern human shares the same diet as their ancestors, i.e. MEAT. We would not be here today if our ancestors did not hunt for meat.
3) You claim human's kill/eat meat because we enjoy the 'taste of flesh'. Yet you previously stated that we eat vegetables to derive amino acids/nutrients from them, in place of the nutrients meat gives us. So what is so wrong about eating meat for the nutrients they give us? I dont love the taste of meat but I eat it anyway because I know it's good for me and provides a balanced diet.
So the whole pro-vegan argument about how humans should opt to eat vegetables for the sole purpose of preserving animal rights is ridiculous and goes against our evolutionary basis. By all means, go be a vegan or go vegetarian. But do not sit on a moral high horse and try and advocate against our evolutionary instincts. |
Why do you keep going back to evolution? Perhaps our ancestors did this or that, but we're living in the present, and the present does not require the consumption of meat, yet it still happens. Why? I theorize because of its taste. There's literally no other argument fr it. You ask "what is so wrong about eating meat for the nutrients they give us?" Please see my earlier post highlighting the core issues with meat consumption:
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I will never understand the mind set of those who eat meat. You have literally no inherent need for it yet you choose to eat it and thus in the process fund and show your approval of the continuous murder, rape, and suffering of innocent animals that, contrary to what some users in this thread may think, do feel physical and emotional pain as shown by a number of studies and, more bluntly, by their screams, literal tears, and the fear in their eyes, all so that you can satisfy your damn taste buds. That's not even bringing up the immensely devastating environmental impact factory farming has had and continues to have on our planet, the amount of literally starving people throughout the world that could be nourished with plant food if we gave them the feed we give to farm animals, and the toll eating meat and other animal products is taking on our own bodies. Is it really worth it? The obvious answer is no, but of course there will still be those that defy logic and put their taste buds over all this actual reasoning.
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You say that we're on some kind of "moral high horse", but the fact is that we're literally only trying to promote a positive change, for the animals, for other humans, and for our own environment. If you think we're acting like we're better than you, then that's your issue, not some kind of factual evidence, because we're not trying to.
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ATRL Senior Member
Member Since: 3/22/2012
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Originally posted by Miracle Whip
If we are supposed to eat meat why are we the ONLY meat eaters on the planet that have to cook meat for it be consumable?
Why are we the only animals that can't eat meat raw?
http://www.vegansa.com/veganism-diet...-evolution.php
Our stomach was not designed to eat meat if anyone actually did any research you'd know this by now.
Humans eating meat isn't natural and it never will be.
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Humans don't need to cook meat to digest it, obtain nutrients, or even to kill all the organisms that pose a threat to us. You are spreading myths and fallacies perpetuated by vegan and vegetarian groups to skew things toward themselves.
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Humans actually don't have to cook our food and there are many meat dishes such as sushi and steak tartar, which are served raw. In general, however, food is cooked for health concerns. For instance there are several types of parasites and pathogenic bacteria that can be transmitted to humans by eating uncooked or poorly cooked meat. By cooking the meat properly, these organisms are killed. For most of us, these infections might make our lives a little unpleasant, but would probably not kill us. However, because such a high concern in modern western society is focused on quality of life, we choose to do whatever is necessary to limit any unnecessary unpleasantness. As far as other animals are concerned, the risk of contracting a potentially debilitating parasitic infection is a matter of everyday life. These animals don't really have a choice. While some individuals may feel under par as a result, we typically don't notice it.
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http://scienceline.ucsb.edu/getkey.php?key=1027
As you can see there, it's pretty common for animals that don't cook their food to become sick, and contract parasites, and whatever. We're not that special.
Your first quote assumes that for some reason, a human in nature would leave a dead fish out in the open for hours; spoiler alert, we wouldn't! We'd eat it!
Your second blatantly ignores scientific study on human tooth structure.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/...l#.VY7ory5Viko
And finally, you continue to disregard the fact that, without cooked meat as a historical food source, you would not be capable of even typing these arguments or having them in the first place.
Don't skew things.
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I want to start becoming vegan
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How the animals get treated doesn't change anything in the grand scheme of things, the fact is that they are still murdered.
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