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Stats: MJ - 225,4 million albums sold | UWC album sales
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Originally posted by Lately 1814
How is She not a global phenom? And make it good so I don't have to obliterate you in one post.
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Oh, please. Spare me the whole Local vs Global discussion. I've had enough of your "Janet is global cause she toured Africa!!1!" logic. One could say that when we compare her stats (albums + singles sales, peaks, attendance, fame, status, etc) to that of those that don't feel out of place when we talk about global phenomenons such as MJ, Madonna, The Beatles, etc. there would be no place to doubt that she doesn't belong in that group, but of course we can always count on her stans to defy logic and common sense on the human kind. 
Guess we just have different standards as to what makes an act a global phenomenon, can't blame you.
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Some of you are so...reductive..
Janet is a contemporary of Michael and Madonna. And although she has not outsold them, her legacy and impact puts her in that "category"..no need to post receipts of the countless artists who are influenced by Her music, videos, image, etc. Or artists sampling her music..or critics celebrating her classics. Or her contemporaries being inspired by Her music(even to make diet coke versions of her albums)..
You want to undermine her achievements to make MJ or Madonna seem superior..if that's the case, why do it at all? If you feel that she's not in that category that's fine..but her work speaks for itself..rather, any artist that she's influenced will keep her relevant until the end of time.
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but i though janet stans believe she outsold mariah and is just undercertified?
Janet is an icon and yall downplay her success and impact tho.
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Originally posted by IMPACTNET.
People fail to realize that Janet never did half the promotion her contemporaries did nor did she have as much output as the others. Within the entire 90's she literally only put out 2 studio albums and a Greatest Hits. 3 releases. Now compare that to the others. Mariah: 6 studio albums, a greatest hits album, an unplugged album, and a Christmas album. Whitney: 2 studio albums and 3 soundtracks. Madonna: 3 studio albums, 2 soundtracks and a Greatest Hits album. Of course they're gonna sell more when they constantly stayed in people's faces. Janet actually allowed the public to miss her, toured and lived life in order to write about it. That's why she's the most critically acclaimed out of the bunch, sans Madonna. Plus even with the least amount of albums she still was the #2 artist of the decade. Only behind Mariah who had like 10 releases to her 3. She was so close to Mariah that if she would've just done 1 more album she would surpassed her overall and would've been #1. Considering all of that, her sales are great. Plus you have to remember that Janet is predominantly R&B which traditionally doesn't sell as much as other generes, especially globally. Look at the sales of Bedtime Stories, My Love is Your Love and Butterfly compared to their other albums. There is a reason they all sold considerably less. So the fact that Janet was able to sell as much as she did is good. She could've easily done an album full of Together Agains and sold much more, but that isn't her. She does varied albums.
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Artist of the Decade refers to the BB H100.. Mariah is milestones ahead in albums sales. She was the biggest selling female albums act of the 1990's in the US (bar none). And #1 on the H100 which is why Mariah was named Artist of The Decade.
Janet was a force in singles. She has way more consecutive top 10 singles than Mariah.. The 90's was as much her decade as it was Mariahs. Those two enjoyed the biggest singles success all things considered in the USA in that timeframe. I am actually happy that MC and JJ are tied with 27 top 10's. I love them both so much, they are equally amazing to me. Maybe Janet can break that tie with her new album which i am very excited about. I am rooting for her.
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Originally posted by Rolland
Oh, please. Spare me the whole Local vs Global discussion. I've had enough of your "Janet is global cause she toured Africa!!1!" logic. One could say that when we compare her stats (albums + singles sales, peaks, attendance, fame, status, etc) to that of those that don't feel out of place when we talk about global phenomenons such as MJ, Madonna, The Beatles, etc. there would be no place to doubt that she doesn't belong in that group, but of course we can always count on her stans to defy logic and common sense on the human kind.
Guess we just have different standards as to what makes an act a global phenomenon, can't blame you.
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I wasn't even going to use the Africa argument, although it is sound because Africa IS indeed part of the globe (as least last time Mother Nature checked), I have receipts for Her popularity on every continent, of which they are bountiful.
In any event, your response basically illustrates that you have no formal rebuttal as to disproving Her global popularity, other than the merit-less ignorant consensus of ATRL. Comparing Janet's popularity to that of Her peers does not answer the question of whether she is a global phenom, it only proves they were more popular than Her. Perhaps you should educate yourself on concepts like "context" and "relativity". As IMPACTNET pointed out, let's compare Her peers' R&B releases (My Love Is Your Love, Butterfly, Bedtime Stories, etc) to that of Janet's and hopefully you'll understand what I'm talking about. Don't come to battle without ammunition. You don't want to look foolish on a social platform. For future reference, I would recommended refraining from making claims about artists of which you have zero to minimal knowledge, and that's not just for Janet, but for all artists in general. It prevents you from looking uninformed, again, on a social platform, as you've already done. Best wishes.
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Originally posted by Lately 1814
I wasn't even going to use the Africa argument, although it is sound because Africa IS indeed part of the globe (as least last time Mother Nature checked), I have receipts for Her popularity on every continent, of which they are bountiful.
In any event, your response basically illustrates that you have no formal rebuttal as to disproving Her global popularity, other than the merit-less ignorant consensus of ATRL. Comparing Janet's popularity to that of Her peers does not answer the question of whether she is a global phenom, it only proves they were more popular than Her. Perhaps you should educate yourself on concepts like "context" and "relativity". As IMPACTNET pointed out, let's compare Her peers' R&B releases (My Love Is Your Love, Butterfly, Bedtime Stories, etc) to that of Janet's and hopefully you'll understand what I'm talking about. Don't come to battle without ammunition. You don't want to look foolish on a social platform. For future reference, I would recommended refraining from making claims about artists of which you have zero to minimal knowledge, and that's not just for Janet, but for all artists in general. It prevents you from looking uninformed, again, on a social platform, as you've already done. Best wishes. |
Aside from one certification and 3 dates almost two decades ago in one single country (SA), what more proof do you have of her "unparalleled dominance" of the African continent? I'd like to know, cause one single country ain't cutting it for me.
Come on, it is not that hard to understand. What'd be the use of me posting her stats here? I am confident you are familiar with them. I don't really need to explain how they are far from what one could expect from a global phenomenon, do I? Just look at those peaks & certifications. But of course we can always count on the "genre!11!!" excuse, guess we have had thousands of global phenomenons then, good to know. Hope this clarifies even further that I AM and WAS referring to the kind of acts that don't need "context" and "relativity" to proof their dominance and status across multiple markets around the globe, REAL global phenomenons, but like I said, I don't blame your for being unfamiliar which such a thing.
Let's restraint ourselves from taking this even more off-topic, shall we? Hopefully you don't ask for this thread to get closed and please keep your recommendations to yourself. It was more than enough with the caps for "her" and "she" as the cringe session sponsored by you, gracias. 
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Originally posted by Rolland
Aside from one certification and 3 dates almost two decades ago in one single country (SA), what more proof do you have of her "unparalleled dominance" of the African continent? I'd like to know, cause one single country ain't cutting it for me.
Come on, it is not that hard to understand. What'd be the use of me posting her stats here? I am confident you are familiar with them. I don't really need to explain how they are far from what one could expect from a global phenomenon, do I? Just look at those peaks & certifications. But of course we can always count on the "genre!11!!" excuse, guess we have had thousands of global phenomenons then, good to know. Hope this clarifies even further that I AM and WAS referring to the kind of acts that don't need "context" and "relativity" to proof their dominance and status across multiple markets around the globe, REAL global phenomenons, but like I said, I don't blame your for being unfamiliar which such a thing.
Let's restraint ourselves from taking this even more off-topic, shall we? Hopefully you don't ask for this thread to get closed and please keep your recommendations to yourself. It was more than enough with the caps for "her" and "she" as the cringe session sponsored by you, gracias.
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"One single country ain't cutting it for me", a great lesson in how to poke holes in your own argument(s). You've come to battle, and you've already shot yourself in the foot. The comicality in not even trying is almost embarrassing. Congratulations, however, on being off to a great start in a discussion that you're already winning in terms of being informed versus being uninformed. The fact that you don't see the "genre excuse" playing an integral role in the reach of one's music tells me more about your ignorance than I think I should know. If genre weren't an issue, Country, Tejano, J/K-Pop, and Punjabi would have global phenoms. But they don't. But I don't expect you to understand this, as evident by your posts. Skate around the thin ice all you please, but as Janet said, "don't act like you don't know the truth...". Peaks and certs are one way to judge popularity, as is tour gross, influence on generations, and longstanding effects on artists are as well, of which Her receipts are, again, bountiful. Not to mention her peaks, certs, and other stats are highly commendable as well.
But yes, back on topic. Congrats to Janet. 73 million units is commendable. Although Her label has already confirmed other figures for Her, we must appreciate the work of Mediatraffic for their efforts. Be well.
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lmaoo so embarrassing!! love seeing her deluded stans trying 
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You can't really define what "global superstar" means but Rolland is just basically calling out some fans who think that Janet was as big as Celine and Mariah and Whitney and even Madonna which is just downright delusional. Every time people bring back actual receipts of how Janet is tiers below the actual global sensations, her fans will say "but she has the IMPACT! That alone puts her up there with MJ and Madonna!" 
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Originally posted by Tutankhamun
You can't really define what "global superstar" means but Rolland is just basically calling out some fans who think that Janet was as big as Celine and Mariah and Whitney and even Madonna which is just downright delusional. Every time people bring back actual receipts of how Janet is tiers below the actual global sensations, her fans will say "but she has the IMPACT! That alone puts her up there with MJ and Madonna!" |
Sweetie, WE KNOW they've sold more than Her. When has any Janet fan tried to deny that? Take someone like Stevie Wonder. All of the major pop girls of the 90s have sold more albums than him. However, He is regularly cited and covered by artists AROUND THE GLOBE with songs that are 40-50 years old. That alone puts Him in the tiers of those like Elvis, The Beatles, etc. When your art is still being referenced at a rate that is noticeable to the public and the industry, that appreciates the stock. The problem with you young stans is you're so caught up figures being the determinant of everything that you have no concept of what true contribution to the art is. Yes, Madonna, Celine, Whitney, and Mariah have all sold more albums than Janet, but the artists that name those women as influences will almost always name Janet. That's why She's in that tier.
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rolland and his desperation never fail to make me cackle sis!
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Janet was obviously not on the level of Madonna or MJ (well MJ is arguably on a level all of himself, but I'd say Madonna's post 2000 success and the death of his music career during the same period...until his actual death, that is....kind of balance them out a bit), but you can't not call someone who has sold 70 million+ albums around the world at least a type of phenomenon. I just feel there are certain areas of the world where new jack swing and R&B never quite made it. When Janet did go completely pop like with "Together Again" she smashed WW.
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73 Million albums sold and the info is from UWC.... and y'all called that reliable source?
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Not trying to knock Janet because she was successfull but I thought she had an album up in the 20 million range
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Originally posted by IMPACTNET.
People fail to realize that Janet never did half the promotion her contemporaries did nor did she have as much output as the others. Within the entire 90's she literally only put out 2 studio albums and a Greatest Hits. 3 releases. Now compare that to the others. Mariah: 6 studio albums, a greatest hits album, an unplugged album, and a Christmas album. Whitney: 2 studio albums and 3 soundtracks. Madonna: 3 studio albums, 2 soundtracks and a Greatest Hits album. Of course they're gonna sell more when they constantly stayed in people's faces. Janet actually allowed the public to miss her, toured and lived life in order to write about it. That's why she's the most critically acclaimed out of the bunch, sans Madonna. Plus even with the least amount of albums she still was the #2 artist of the decade. Only behind Mariah who had like 10 releases to her 3. She was so close to Mariah that if she would've just done 1 more album she would surpassed her overall and would've been #1. Considering all of that, her sales are great. Plus you have to remember that Janet is predominantly R&B which traditionally doesn't sell as much as other generes, especially globally. Look at the sales of Bedtime Stories, My Love is Your Love and Butterfly compared to their other albums. There is a reason they all sold considerably less. So the fact that Janet was able to sell as much as she did is good. She could've easily done an album full of Together Agains and sold much more, but that isn't her. She does varied albums.
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 thank u sis.
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Are you guys actually sales shaming someone that sold over 70 million records? You girls need psychiatric help! Enjoy the music and keep it moving.
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Originally posted by PrinceMichaelFan
73 Million albums sold and the info is from UWC.... and y'all called that reliable source?
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All her sales sound pretty accurate though...maybe you can add 5-10m (like with Shakira where they have no idea how much her pre-English breakthrough stuff sold, hence they kept on changing it after people complained), but not to the point where it would take her to the next level with Mariah, Whitney, etc
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The local argument kind of goes against what some of you are trying to say about Janet's career. In light of these figures, by all means, insist that she is local! All the more reason for you to congratulate her for reaching these sales figure with just ALBUMS despite her being "local." Some of ATRL's faves don't have these stats with albums PLUS singles despite being "global" and having the advantage of one-click purchases without having to leave the house.
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