[Surfboardt]

Originally posted by waryofothers

So is it safe to assume this is Andrew?

What is this?

[Sasha.]

Originally posted by Surfboardt

What is this?

It's from earlier in season 5. Melissa hands over a recorder with Alison's kidnapping story on it (she recorded it so all the girls could learn it to make sure the police wouldn't suspect anything) to the mystery guy outside the Hastings barn

[King Maxx]

I need to watch this episode again like tonight cuz I have no idea what to make of all this.

But YES at Sara being alive. That means Bethany is truly dead, and this is what Charles is crazy for. They killed his only love (either related or they were in love). That's why the two Patsy Cline songs are major clues. Walkin After Midnight & Crazy. They both are about being lonely and missing their love one.

[BlueTimberwolf]

Originally posted by King Maxx

I need to watch this episode again like tonight cuz I have no idea what to make of all this.

But YES at Sara being alive. That means Bethany is truly dead, and this is what Charles is crazy for. They killed his only love (either related or they were in love). That's why the two Patsy Cline songs are major clues. Walkin After Midnight & Crazy. They both are about being lonely and missing their love one.

Great episode!!! And I think you are right. I think he and Bethany are related and Alison killed her with the Liars help somehow. But how does Charles as a Dilaurentis fit in?

[King Maxx]

Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf

Great episode!!! And I think you are right. I think he and Bethany are related and Alison killed her with the Liars help somehow. But how does Charles as a Dilaurentis fit in?

It's a crazy family tree but this is my theory:

Charles (Wren) & Bethany are siblings. Wren's father or adopted one is Scott Montgomery (Aria's dad's brother). Mrs.D is the mother or Toby's mother Marion is the mother and is Mrs. D's sister (they are the real twins of the show). If it is Marion's, she had Charles first before she met Mr. Cavanaugh. If the latter is the case, then Charles being a DiLaurentis is a decoy. That would explain why Mrs. D told Bethany to call her aunt. The first is probably more accurate tho.

So this way the child isn't Jason's twin, so Wren (Charles) wouldn't be committing incest with his two sisters.

Melissa knows that Wren is A and is doing what she can to protect Wren. I have this weird feeling that the -M message tonight might just be Melissa and not Mona. That's why Melissa called her parents in the finale, and Andrew let Wren know what was going on with Melissa. Cece is a part of all this, but her motives are completely separate from Charles.

[waryofothers]

Totally separate, but Mona and Alison hugging!

[King Maxx]

The fact that Ali, Jason (probably forgot, lying, or thinks he's dead) nor Mr. D seem to know who Charles is.

Damn Mrs. D. Why you hid your love children like that?

[4seldemari]

So that didn't actually suck

[KingOfUrbanPop]

I hope Sara is actually Bethany...

Sara is IRRELEVANT and makes no sense to PLL.

[King Maxx]

This could go either way. Either Sara is really Bethany and Sara is dead (but that just throws thousands of theories out the window) OR:

Charles took Sara to replace his lost Bethany. Much like he did Mona with Ali. His two favorite girls together again. If you remember, Sara went missing the day after that night according to her friends. Someone did die in that grave that night.

[KingOfUrbanPop]

I think Mr. D knows who tf Charles is.

Hzsa d jkkkjaaass @ Ali "not what, WHO?" READY to SCALP Mr. D

[waryofothers]

Originally posted by King Maxx

This could go either way. Either Sara is really Bethany and Sara is dead (but that just throws thousands of theories out the window) OR:

Charles took Sara to replace his lost Bethany. Much like he did Mona with Ali. His two favorite girls together again. If you remember, Sara went missing the day after that night according to her friends. Someone did die in that grave that night.

tbh, A kidnapped Sara the day after because they really thought Alison was dead (Mrs. D buried her and they watched) and they needed the closest thing to Alison they could get for their dollhouse, which is Sara. She probably tried escaping too and A just tortured her.

[King Maxx]

Originally posted by KingOfUrbanPop

I think Mr. D knows who tf Charles is.

Hzsa d jkkkjaaass @ Ali "not what, WHO?" READY to SCALP Mr. D

If he does, I think he believes he's dead. Everyone does. That's why no one knows who his identity is currently.

[KingOfUrbanPop]

It would he much better for Bethany to be alive and tie her into the story.

[King Maxx]

Originally posted by waryofothers

tbh, A kidnapped Sara the day after because they really thought Alison was dead (Mrs. D buried her and they watched) and they needed the closest thing to Alison they could get for their dollhouse, which is Sara. She probably tried escaping too and A just tortured her.

Yeah I like this too. But I wonder who killed Bethany then. I'm going with the girls and/or Ali. But how can all 5 of them be suppressing their memory?

And I wonder when exactly did he realize Bethany had died.

[King Maxx]

Originally posted by KingOfUrbanPop

It would he much better for Bethany to be alive and tie her into the story.

Her dying is better. That would explain some of Charles' motive.

We don't need all these dead characters apart of the major story showing up alive. I would only be here for her alive if she's Red Coat/Black Widow and her and Charles teamed up to take everyone done for some reason we don't know yet.

[Adir]

Originally posted by KingOfUrbanPop

I hope Sara is actually Bethany...

Sara is IRRELEVANT and makes no sense to PLL.

This is what I was thinking.
She said her name like it was rehearsed, I really don't think she is who she says she is.

[Adir]

Originally posted by King Maxx

Yeah I like this too. But I wonder who killed Bethany then. I'm going with the girls and/or Ali. But how can all 5 of them be suppressing their memory?

And I wonder when exactly did he realize Bethany had died.

Weren't the girls drugged by Alison? and Alison could've been drugged by someone else - so maybe they really can't remember anything.

[KingOfUrbanPop]

Originally posted by King Maxx

If he does, I think he believes he's dead. Everyone does. That's why no one knows who his identity is currently.

BUT at what age if they really think he's gone by the way everyone is acting clueless.

[KingOfUrbanPop]

Originally posted by King Maxx

Her dying is better. That would explain some of Charles' motive.

We don't need all these dead characters apart of the major story showing up alive. I would only be here for her alive if she's Red Coat/Black Widow and her and Charles teamed up to take everyone done for some reason we don't know yet.

Eh, maybe but FLOP I mean Cece has a weak ass motive yet she has a handful of stans claiming she's A. Plus something could've happened to both of them or attempted murder which is why they are doing all of this.