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News: All Illegals Should Be Slaves: Californian Council
Member Since: 9/1/2013
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
Farmers are able to get from the government and unlimited supply of worker visas to have migrant workers, including Mexicans come to the country on a temporary basis to pick food. They choose not to do this b/c they want to be able skirt labor laws. Immigrants who live in this country on a permanent basis are not needed to pick crops, not then not now. And maybe black and white Americans aren't getting jobs is b/c farmers would have to follow the law and pay fair wages.
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except i pulled up history and you ignored it, which i think is because you don't have a response when your facts are proven to be wrong. farmers have always used cheap labor from people that didn't know they had better options, all the way back to the development of slavery. america has never been without it.
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Originally posted by Toxicity.
Goosey I know you love trolling about social issues and that's your schtick but you're being a bit of a mess. "Hard labour" what is this.. North Korea?
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Penal labor is allowed by the 13th Amendment.
"... neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for a crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
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Member Since: 4/23/2012
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
Illegal Immigrants are not vital to our economy, and are in fact a net negative when you factor in unemployment, stagnant wages, and their proportional overuse of social services.
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They don't factor into unemployment considering they aren't able to get any...? what kind of misinformed Ann Coulter wordpress have you been reading?
love how you mathematically calculated every single factor and got this 'net negative' figure
Can you explain your process?
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Member Since: 4/14/2011
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Originally posted by accelgors
wtf??? that's not it at all. you must think mexico is some kind of uncivilized barbarian wilderness where they don't have any technology or something when it's really not. people are immigrating from mexico to the US because northern mexico is filled with drug lords and murder and people want to go somewhere else. it has nothing to do with them having a lot of children (in fact i actually doubt that's even true).
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While this is to some extent true, actually most recent immigrants are not even Mexican they are Central American. Immigration from Mexico itself has been slowing down in the past few years, the economy is getting better there. But most of the immigrants in California are Mexican because of heavy immigration since the 1970s...
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by Blade
the ugly white privileged gays in here saying they should be deported. Lol bye get out of here. Illegal immigrants come here for a better life. And don't be like "well it's illegal they should do it by the law". How many laws have you broken? Did you drink before 21? Have you ran red lights and went over the speed limit aka things that can actually HURT other people? Exactly.
It's just like those douchey straight guys that say they're against gays bc the bible says so yet they have premarital sex. You can't pick and choose what you want to follow. If you think illegals should be deported simply bc it's illegal then I hope your ass has followed every single law since you love the law so much. Otherwise you're a hypocrite who obviously doesn't care about the legality of things and you wanting them deported is rooted in racism. That is all.
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My thoughts exactly! Well said
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Member Since: 4/23/2012
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Originally posted by Goosey
Penal labor is allowed by the 13th Amendment.
"... neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for a crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
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Well they're not gonna convict 14 million people so. There goes your constitutional argument.
You're not even American why do you care
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Member Since: 1/2/2014
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Originally posted by accelgors
wtf??? that's not it at all. you must think mexico is some kind of uncivilized barbarian wilderness where they don't have any technology or something when it's really not. people are immigrating from mexico to the US because northern mexico is filled with drug lords and murder and people want to go somewhere else. it has nothing to do with them having a lot of children (in fact i actually doubt that's even true).
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Mexico is a 3rd world country, and they do reproduce a lot. This might sound a bit rude but poor people(3rd world countries) have the tendency of having a lot of children to help parent with labor work. The real reason that they migrate is the lack of opportunities in Mexico and partly maybe what you mentioned.
I don't know why would anyone would like to move to the US tho, this country is tanking, but I guess it's still a lot more stable than Mexico.
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Member Since: 9/1/2013
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Originally posted by LoKoPaNdA
While this is to some extent true, actually most recent immigrants are not even Mexican they are Central American. Immigration from Mexico itself has been slowing down in the past few years, the economy is getting better there. But most of the immigrants in California are Mexican because of heavy immigration since the 1970s...
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People love to ignore this fact. Which actually adds more to point that they are racist.
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by LoKoPaNdA
They "choose" to do that because the process to follow the immigration laws is quite complicated. And yes, it's the farmers' fault too, I think we're getting somewhere.
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No, they choose to do that b/c profit and wanting to skirt regulations. It's equally the fault of the immigrants and the business owners, but you are okay with giving them a pass because you sympathize.
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Originally posted by accelgors
except i pulled up history and you ignored it, which i think is because you don't have a response when your facts are proven to be wrong. farmers have always used cheap labor from people that didn't know they had better options, all the way back to the development of slavery. america has never been without it.
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In the past they used slaves and then share croppers with no options, not illegal immigrants, which is the topic at hand. I'm a bit surprised that you are okay with poor workers being exploited so you banana can potentially cost $2 less.
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Member Since: 5/1/2011
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Originally posted by Goosey
Sure it is! Only 100,000+ killed in drug violence since 2006!
Hmm. Lemme Google that.
"Over the last few decades since the fall of the Soviet Union and the end of the Cold War, the term Third World has been used interchangeably with the least developed countries, Global South and developing countries to describe poorer countries that have struggled to attain steady economic development"
Let's see:
From Forbes:
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Oh shut the f*ck up queen you know god damn well what i meant by peaceful as in war ignorant f*ck.
And Mexico is an industrialized country not "At best".
Stay fat and ignorant please.
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Member Since: 11/17/2011
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
Illegal Immigrants are not vital to our economy, and are in fact a net negative when you factor in unemployment, stagnant wages, and their proportional overuse of social services.
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okay...let's go with your theory
so we get rid of the illegal immigrants...you think the unemployed are gonna take the jobs that these immigrants were taking...HELL NO
they won't take it until they get proper wages and benefits and these owners aren't going to fork it over
so no...these immigrants are beneficial
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Member Since: 9/1/2013
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Originally posted by Trent W
Mexico is a 3rd world country, and they do reproduce a lot. This might sound a bit rude but poor people(3rd world countries) have the tendency of having a lot of children to help parent with labor work. The real reason that they migrate is the lack of opportunities in Mexico and partly maybe what you mentioned.
I don't know why would anyone would like to move to the US tho, this country is tanking, but I guess it's still a lot more stable than Mexico.
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what the heck, i was right, you really do think mexico is some kind of 15th century european feudal wasteland. mexico is civilized, they have internet, they do modern work, they have a middle class, and a lot of mexicans have a lot of the same things people in first world countries do. not all countries that aren't in europe or the US are wastelands, like...
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Member Since: 3/19/2012
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Originally posted by Latinazza
People love to ignore this fact. Which actually adds more to point that they are racist.
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Illegals come over the Mexican border. You call people "racist" because they call someone coming out of Mexico a Mexican? Seems like a logical supposition.
Racism would be deciding their country of origin by observing their physical details 
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Member Since: 3/19/2012
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Originally posted by EOMM92
And Mexico is an industrialized country not "At best".
Stay fat and ignorant please.
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Nope, it's a N.I.C., a "newly industrialized country". It's not included in the list of "first world" or "developed" countries. Corruption, crime and poverty are all way too high for that, those are the facts!
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by Toxicity.
They don't factor into unemployment considering they aren't able to get any...? what kind of misinformed Ann Coulter wordpress have you been reading?
love how you mathematically calculated every single factor and got this 'net negative' figure
Can you explain your process?
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This comment makes no sense. Illegal immigrants are working, they wouldn't be here if they weren't, at the same time sending millions out of our economy.
Here an easy to read link, many of which you can google. It looks like it's not reputable, but it's from the University of Michigan, a top university in the US. They just made it easy to read.
http://www.umich.edu/~ac213/student_...micimpact.html
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Member Since: 1/2/2014
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Originally posted by accelgors
what the heck, i was right, you really do think mexico is some kind of 15th century european feudal wasteland. mexico is civilized, they have internet, they do modern work, they have a middle class, and a lot of mexicans have a lot of the same things people in first world countries do. not all countries that aren't in europe or the US are wastelands, like...
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Lol of course not, I go there a lot in vacations I know how they live, but I also know only the 30% has access to proper education, the rest of the country remains in full ignorance, that why they have that stupid president that doesn't even know how to write in Spanish.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by JakeKills
America needs to simply the path to citizenship. Most undocumented immigrants want to be citizens, but the system makes it too difficult/ impossible.
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Exactly. There are real pieces of **** with citizenship yet well educated illegals have to marry out of love in order to get citizenship. Imo if you went to an American college, got your degree from there and paid all of your taxes then you deserve to become a citizen. If you worked in the U.S for years and paid your taxes and never got into any trouble, then you deserve citizenship. No ifs or buts.
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by Sinister
okay...let's go with your theory
so we get rid of the illegal immigrants...you think the unemployed are gonna take the jobs that these immigrants were taking...HELL NO
they won't take it until they get proper wages and benefits and these owners aren't going to fork it over
so no...these immigrants are beneficial
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Yes they will take those jobs, as they were working those jobs b4. Only 3% of illegals are "picking crops", the majority are in service industries. The businesses would hire them or go out of business without a supply willing to work for less alternatives to choose from.
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Member Since: 8/11/2012
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I live by silver lake and its a lot of Mexican or Latin immigrants so that is really f upped of her
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Member Since: 9/1/2013
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
No, they choose to do that b/c profit and wanting to skirt regulations. It's equally the fault of the immigrants and the business owners, but you are okay with giving them a pass because you sympathize.
In the past they used slaves and then share croppers with no options, not illegal immigrants, which is the topic at hand. I'm a bit surprised that you are okay with poor workers being exploited so you banana can potentially cost $2 less.
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but that ties into the topic because that's an example of cheap labor just like illegal immigrants are. illegal immigrants are just a more modern version of this issue. it's always been that way, so yes, this kind of thing absolutely has always played a huge role in the US economy. that's what i was saying.
and i never said i was okay with it??? like, it's horrible, but it's what happens. you were wrong in saying that we've never needed it because we always have. working on getting rid of the exploitation of workers is necessary from a moral standpoint but it's not going to help the economy at all. and funny how suddenly you have sympathy for poor workers even though you're the one that says we should kick out people trying to escape from bad situations
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