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Fan Base: Britney Spears
Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by slw84
You are not well versed. I can admire you're direction but it's in the wrong lane in the wrong direction serving Nicole ritchie teas
Don't deflect from your major flaw in questioning her reach amongst many generations, races, socioeconomic statues etc.
We've seen it time and time again, there are always going to be people parading around as fans of Britney that hate to love her and go out of their way to seek attention by disrespecting, downplaying her impact or doing something that is to slight her.
And we know what happens to those individuals eventually...
IN any regards, be mindful of the comments you make about britney for attention and controversy...some work for you and some can work against you.
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What the actual **** are you talking about? Who's talking about socio-economic status, race, or gender? Like, where do you come up with this ****?
All I've said was that she ruined her chances of being a bonafide musical legend. This is made clear by the general discussion that is "Britney Spears". She's hailed as God in her own base, naturally, but ANYWHERE else, she's simply a major Pop Icon... Once upon a time.
This makes me a fake Stan? A troll?
No. This makes me a realist. I will always love Britney. That will never change; but I'm not deluded into thinking she's at all relevant to anyone other than the people who grew up with her.
Sure, it's impossible to stand by a universal claim like that and not run into an objection, but for the most part, these words ring true.
It's really not that big of a deal.
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These types of discussions is the reason why Me, Anticipating and Eternium > Wanna bees. Our stanning prowess > your insecurities about your fave
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Originally posted by LoveTheWayILie
These types of discussions is the reason why Me, Anticipating and Eternium > Wanna bees. Our stanning prowess > your insecurities about your fave
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Just trying to clearly express my opinion, mate. Not trying to win a popularity contest.
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I like to compare Britney to someone like Celine. Celine had her first considerable success in 1990 and her last real hit in the states was in 2000, so that gives her about a 10 year career as a mainstream staple, reminiscent of Britney's ten year Pop reign from 99 - 09. After that, Celine released successful albums but they were coupled with a Vegas residency and she really wasn't considered a mainstream artist anymore cuz, despite selling albums, she didn't really have any hits. Britney is probably in the same boat (obviously Celine sold a lot more albums and her first residency was a much bigger success, but they're similar nonetheless) especially since Celine started her residency in 2003, 13 years into her mainstream career, just like Britney. That essentially etched Celine as a 90's mega-force who didn't transcend as well into the 00's (in terms of hits) but managed to find a profitable, respectable and relatively new venue of success (Vegas) that earned her a lot of praise. Britney's doing the same, she's the first big mainstream act (who isn't a DJ) that is ushering in a new era of Vegas that goes from adult contemporary-type shows with more veteran acts to shows with acts that have been around less time and make music that's dance-oriented (DJ's like Guetta, Tiesto, Afrojack getting paid hundreds of thousands a night to DJ) & geared to a younger audience.
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And I don't think Emir is wrong and I can kinda see where he's coming from.  Don't hurt me.
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Originally posted by Emir
Just trying to clearly express my opinion, mate. Not trying to win a popularity contest.
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Just as long as you know that I think you're wrong and I am cuter Xo 
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Originally posted by Ozzy8923
And I don't think Emir is wrong and I can kinda see where he's coming from. Don't hurt me. |
But I kind of want to.
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Originally posted by Ozzy8923
I like to compare Britney to someone like Celine. Celine had her first considerable success in 1990 and her last real hit in the states was in 2000, so that gives her about a 10 year career as a mainstream staple, reminiscent of Britney's ten year Pop reign from 99 - 09. After that, Celine released successful albums but they were coupled with a Vegas residency and she really wasn't considered a mainstream artist anymore cuz, despite selling albums, she didn't really have any hits. Britney is probably in the same boat (obviously Celine sold a lot more albums and her first residency was a much bigger success, but they're similar nonetheless) especially since Celine started her residency in 2003, 13 years into her mainstream career, just like Britney. That essentially etched Celine as a 90's mega-force who didn't transcend as well into the 00's (in terms of hits) but managed to find a profitable, respectable and relatively new venue of success (Vegas) that earned her a lot of praise. Britney's doing the same, she's the first big mainstream act (who isn't a DJ) that is ushering in a new era of Vegas that goes from adult contemporary-type shows with more veteran acts to shows with acts that have been around less time and make music that's dance-oriented (DJ's like Guetta, Tiesto, Afrojack getting paid hundreds of thousands a night to DJ) & geared to a younger audience.
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Well said. I've never quite compared the two, but the comparisons are definitely there (even with the lip syncing haha).
Elvis is another person I'd compare with Britney, before the likes of Madonna or Whitney.
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Originally posted by LoveTheWayILie
Just as long as you know that I think you're wrong and I am cuter Xo
But I kind of want to. |
Hah, I can deal with that ( even tho I'm right)
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Anyways, Britney needs that one hit song and album to cement her career more. If she sees another RIAA plaque this year or the next, that gives her 17 years of mainstream success (with one dip in the way, but who hasn't had one?  ).
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Originally posted by Ozzy8923
Anyways, Britney needs that one hit song and album to cement her career more. If she sees another RIAA plaque this year or the next, that gives her 17 years of mainstream success (with one dip in the way, but who hasn't had one? ). |
I think we can pretty much count on PG to be the official comeback, single-wise.
The LP will be a bit trickier for her, me thinks
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Britney is a legend why is this up for discussion??? Her name alone is as iconic as Madonna. "Britney Spears" holds so much value. Her breakdown and comeback cemented her as a legend. Remember Cher's comeback with Believe? She basically invented the comeback, yet Britney is the epitome of a comeback to the world. She is the story of a superstar who lost it all and then gained it all back. Someone who continuously puts out music and causes controversy is not a legend, in my opinion. Someone who faces hardships and comes out on top against all odds is a legend.
Beyonce for example is a fad. Self titled gained her a TON of popularity but it will fade soon. Britney was never a fad. She is a staple in pop music and will forever be the definition of a pop star.
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And i saw someone said she lost her dancing which was her last great thing? #1 she is still one of the best dancers in pop. and #2 all of the 'legends' have lost their abilities one or another. Mariah and Whitney lost their voices. Madonna can't really shock anyone anymore. etc
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Originally posted by Emir
I think we can pretty much count on PG to be the official comeback, single-wise.
The LP will be a bit trickier for her, me thinks
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Mhmm, I have good vibes about PG, but even then, I fear that it'll be a S&S scenario with a big hit that really does nothing in the long run. Either way, I think anything about 500K in the US and 1M WW is a success for today's standards so if B9 manages that with good WW peaks, then that's respectable, I'd say. I mean, after all, it's only 400K more than BJ WW sales and 250K more in the US, can't be that hard, right? 
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Originally posted by BritneysDaddy
Beyonce for example is a fad. Self titled gained her a TON of popularity but it will fade soon. Britney was never a fad. She is a staple in pop music and will forever be the definition of a pop star.
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Gurl, Beyoncé is not a fad.  FAR from it, she's been around since 1998 and is def still relevant today. I mean, give credit where it's due.
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Originally posted by Ozzy8923
Mhmm, I have good vibes about PG, but even then, I fear that it'll be a S&S scenario with a big hit that really does nothing in the long run. Either way, I think anything about 500K in the US and 1M WW is a success for today's standards so if B9 manages that with good WW peaks, then that's respectable, I'd say. I mean, after all, it's only 400K more than BJ WW sales and 250K more in the US, can't be that hard, right? |
If PG does well and the performance is great then we can expect much more from Britney. This is basically a test from her team IMO. A good performance and a hit single will bring in more money to vegas by boosting sales. Her team is ALL in it for the money and if she ends up becoming super popular again they will run with it. I expect them to drop a second single/album in August and have her perform at the VMAS if everything goes well. Miley was their main girl during BJ and they had her to bring in the major money...thats why they basically didn't do crap w/ britney... but the miley hype train has ended. Britney is the only one they have that can REALLY bring in the big bucks. I have faith that her team won't screw it up this time.
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Originally posted by BritneysDaddy
Britney is a legend why is this up for discussion??? Her name alone is as iconic as Madonna. "Britney Spears" holds so much value. Her breakdown and comeback cemented her as a legend. Remember Cher's comeback with Believe? She basically invented the comeback, yet Britney is the epitome of a comeback to the world. She is the story of a superstar who lost it all and then gained it all back. Someone who continuously puts out music and causes controversy is not a legend, in my opinion. Someone who faces hardships and comes out on top against all odds is a legend.
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You better educate them, sis. 
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Originally posted by slw84
So true.
People turn their opinions into facts.
Britney is an icon
She's a pop music legend
...now she is still on her way to becoming an entertainment legend...she has the opportunity to make it happen or not.
The biggest lies ever.
If there is any pop star out now or the past 17 years that transcends various generations it's britney
That was the case from her debut album and still till this day.
People have embraced her from mulitiple generations.
I've seen little kids at her shown and even seen 80 yrs olds at her show.
She crosses socio economic status, race, gender, sexuality, generations etc.
Because he doesn't have a clue what he is talking about. Bless his heart but Britney IS the pop star that has transcended various generations but everyone I guess can't see that.
Emir has transcended into another poster's old spot but I can at least say that his unresearch opinions are at least heading in a direction although veering off the cliff a bit.
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Uh what?  Most people who are 16 and younger do not really care for Britney at all. Britney only attracts white and South American gays and females these days. She had crossover appeal during her peak. I'll give you that. But definitely not anymore.
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Originally posted by BritneysDaddy
Britney is a legend why is this up for discussion??? Her name alone is as iconic as Madonna. "Britney Spears" holds so much value. Her breakdown and comeback cemented her as a legend. Remember Cher's comeback with Believe? She basically invented the comeback, yet Britney is the epitome of a comeback to the world. She is the story of a superstar who lost it all and then gained it all back. Someone who continuously puts out music and causes controversy is not a legend, in my opinion. Someone who faces hardships and comes out on top against all odds is a legend.
Beyonce for example is a fad. Self titled gained her a TON of popularity but it will fade soon. Britney was never a fad. She is a staple in pop music and will forever be the definition of a pop star.
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And i saw someone said she lost her dancing which was her last great thing? #1 she is still one of the best dancers in pop. and #2 all of the 'legends' have lost their abilities one or another. Mariah and Whitney lost their voices. Madonna can't really shock anyone anymore. etc
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...Bey is definitely not a fad, I think you're mistaking her for some of the late 00s girls but other than that, I agree.
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Member Since: 1/25/2012
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Originally posted by frantic
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Originally posted by Anticipating
Or Aguilera.  Why are we acting like Britney hasn't had major success during the digital era? |
Nobody even implied she's in the level of Mandy or Christina. Thrown way out of context.
Britney has seen success for many years. She's just not a legend. Simple as that.
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Originally posted by Ozzy8923
Mhmm, I have good vibes about PG, but even then, I fear that it'll be a S&S scenario with a big hit that really does nothing in the long run. Either way, I think anything about 500K in the US and 1M WW is a success for today's standards so if B9 manages that with good WW peaks, then that's respectable, I'd say. I mean, after all, it's only 400K more than BJ WW sales and 250K more in the US, can't be that hard, right? |
The misstep was following up S&S with OLL, and then WB. I mean, Work Bitch is a bop, but it wasn't radio friendly. Not to mention it kind of undermined the restablishment of "It's Britney, Bitch". Just seemed kinda..... Reductive?
I'm content with Britney only releasing singles, for the time being. So long as they're solid tracks, I can live without an album. For now.
Her next album (as a selfish, and somewhat entitled Stan) really ought be a magnum opus type of record. Like, imma need some serious heart and quality this time around.
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Originally posted by Anticipating
...Bey is definitely not a fad, I think you're mistaking her for some of the late 00s girls but other than that, I agree. |
i mean she's more of a social phenomenon. She was never as famous as she is now and that is not enough to make her a legend.
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I mean..some people these days only remember/know Britney for shaving her head. It sucks, but it is the truth.
How is Beyonce a fad if she is a social phenomenon? Like what? 
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