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Poll: Did ARTPOP flop?
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View Poll Results: Did ARTPOP flop?
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Member Since: 4/3/2012
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Originally posted by liberalmusiclover
Kii at the defenses. If Rihanna's debut album, Music of the Sun, is called a flop, then so is ARTPOP. Both produced two top 40 hits (with Pon de Replay being bigger than Applause and Do What U Want combined) and both only scanned Gold (a respectable feat for Rihanna at the time since it was her debut and her sophomore effort was released 8 months later).
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Comparing album sales from 2005 to 2013? No logic whatsoever.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Yes, it's a flop and an immortal legendsomething you WISH your fave's flop album could do.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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It definitely underperformed but it didn't really flop. Maybe I'd call it a flop for Gaga's standards since she usually sells lots of albums.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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If I had said that Artpop would only sell about 750k in the USA after more than a year, monsters would have said I was being a hater. So yes, Artpop woefully underperformed. Gaga even admitted she got depressed and considered retiring from pop.
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Member Since: 1/26/2012
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It sold well for this "We want everything for free" record sales climate. That being said it really Flopped hard being that it was only her 3rd studio album in her short career. 
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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The fans may not accept it but it's her Glitter. I think it was somehow the universe working against her and contributing to a real bad-timing but everything was against her at that moment, the album itself was a mess, the way it was handled and all the drama of the possible boycott... flop.
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Member Since: 8/31/2013
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It has a Top 4 hit to its name and sold just as much as anyone else in its first week.
It didn't do well in comparison to her other albums, but its nowhere near the train wreck some people so desperately make it out to be. It wasn't that bad. Its not like it was Warrior or Rebel Heart status.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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It was in line with generally successful albums of the time. So for Gaga, it's a large underperformance considering her releases before have usually destroyed the competition.
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Member Since: 4/3/2014
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If you look at its raw receipts, no, of course not. The only reason it gets called a flop is because it's all relative. A lot of female pop stars released at that time - Katy, Miley and a newcomer with a smash hit #1 and she was expected to be the biggest female in pop, and they were beating her in most areas. Especially Katy, who had kind of been dismissed as a flop.
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Member Since: 1/1/2013
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Nope. It scored gold and a top 10 single.
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Member Since: 6/25/2012
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Member Since: 2/7/2014
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it flopped, stop sugarcoating it's abysmal commercial performance. there's no excuse for it's commercial performance either, she literally shoved the concept of the album down the entire public's throat and desperately tried to do damage control prior to and after it's official release.
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Member Since: 8/4/2012
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YEP!
She is a big star with a huge fan base. So I don't know why she had such low numbers.
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Member Since: 6/2/2011
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Success is always relative.
1.95m copies for an indie band would be a HUGE success. Just like if The Imitation Game had grossed $500 million it would have been a HUGE breakout success, but if The Avengers 2 grosses $500 million it will be an enormous career-ruining bomb for all involved.
In ARTPOP's case, the album was hyped for what seemed like years, had enormous, expensive promotion and cost a lot to make and market. She also likely received a huge advance, and they were banking on her tour grosses to cover up costs (since Gaga has a 360 deal). Considering that sales were less than a third of the last album, and the tour grossed less than half, the label 'FLOP' seems like the logical conclusion to me.
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Member Since: 6/2/2011
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Quote:
Originally posted by Misanthrope
It has a Top 4 hit to its name and sold just as much as anyone else in its first week.
It didn't do well in comparison to her other albums, but its nowhere near the train wreck some people so desperately make it out to be. It wasn't that bad. Its not like it was Warrior or Rebel Heart status.
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Rebel Heart will make back its money with the tour (Madonna has a 360 deal with LiveNation).
Warrior....I'll assume Dr. Luke produced and wrote at a massive discount or even at a loss considering she was signed to his label.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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ARTPOP era:
Metacritic score:
ARTPOP - 61
Album Sales:
US: 750,000
UK: 207,000
JPN: 200,000
WW: 1,950,000
Single Sales:
○ Applause: 4,000,000
○ Do What You Want: 2,500,000
○ Dope 150,000
○ Venus 120,000
○ G.U.Y: 100,000
TT: 6,870,000
Tour Gross:
○ artRAVE: the ARTPOP Ball: $89 million
Youtube Views:
○ Applause 205,000,000 + 24,000,000 + 10,000,000 = 240,000,000
○ GUY: 64,000,000 + 29,000,000 = 93,000,000
○ Do What You Want (audio): 43,000,000
○ Venus: 13,000,000
○ Aura (lyric video): 11,000,000
○ Dope: 4,000,000
TT: 404,000,000
Flop? really?
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Member Since: 2/6/2014
Posts: 41,074
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People already bashing R8 when we don't even know the release date nor the title.
Embarrassing. 
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Member Since: 5/1/2012
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Member Since: 6/25/2012
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Quote:
Originally posted by Black Umbrella
ARTPOP era:
Metacritic score:
ARTPOP - 61
Album Sales:
US: 750,000
UK: 207,000
JPN: 200,000
WW: 1,950,000
Single Sales:
○ Applause: 4,000,000
○ Do What You Want: 2,500,000
○ Dope 150,000
○ Venus 120,000
○ G.U.Y: 100,000
TT: 6,870,000
Tour Gross:
○ artRAVE: the ARTPOP Ball: $89 million
Youtube Views:
○ Applause 205,000,000 + 24,000,000 + 10,000,000 = 240,000,000
○ GUY: 64,000,000 + 29,000,000 = 93,000,000
○ Do What You Want (audio): 43,000,000
○ Venus: 13,000,000
○ Aura (lyric video): 11,000,000
○ Dope: 4,000,000
TT: 404,000,000
Flop? really? |
we're resorting to lyric video views now?
Bron This Way era
Metacritic score:
Born This Way - 71
Album Sales:
WW: 6,000,000+
Single Sales:
Born This Way alone > All of ARTPOP
Tour Gross:
○ artRAVE: the ARTPOP Ball: $184 million
Youtube Views:
○ Born This Way 148,000,000 (mess)
○ Judas 205,000,000
○ Edge of Glory 85,000,000
○ You and I 80,000,000
○ Marry the Night 62,000,000
TT: 580, 000,000
almost everything was at least slashed in half
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