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Poll: More timeless: Katy or Gaga?
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Katy Perry's music
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43.85% |
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Lady Gaga's music
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56.15% |
Member Since: 4/14/2011
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Originally posted by Arioso
Vevo and iTunes stats in an argument about timeless music.
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Radio too, all proving people are still listening to Katy. Can't say the same about Gaga.
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Originally posted by idkher
The monsters really do not understand what timeless means. Talking about single and album sales as if that relates at ALL to people listening to the song in 20 or 30 years.  There are plenty of songs and albums that had massive sales years ago but are completely forgotten in 2015.
Katy's hits are seeing LONGEVITY on Vevo and especially radio where she has countless gold recurrents on pop stations and Firework, Roar, Hot N Cold, Teenage Dream and even TOTGA are still slaying on adult stations. If Gaga can't even keep people listening to her music 5 years after it came out, what makes you think people will still be listening in 30 years? |
Well some of these people believe that radio is manipulated and will play whatever the label wants to hear and that VEVO/YouTube views are bought by labels as well.
And since TF/M has outsold Katy's discography, "why would they need to purchase any of Gaga's singles in the long run"?
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I honestly don't know. If only we can actually tell the future. Let me say Katy just because she has more smash hits. (although I do believe that nothing is 'special' about most of them)
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Originally posted by Starstruck.
What do overall sales have to do with this.... seems like you're the one who doesn't get the meaning of "timeless"
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Now you're just forgetting your own arguments.
"Katy is selling more right now so she's more timeless."
"Gaga has sold more? THAT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING."
Keep track of what you're saying. 
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Originally posted by Starstruck.
This is just non-sense, Gaga's songs are getting weak sales + streams unlike Katy's.
You tell me, based on these receipts, which one is the most likely to get ACTUAL timeless hit/s that the GP likes to listen to all the time? who is on the right track?
Let me make it easier for you, it's Katy Perry.
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Let me make it easier for you: your own logic works against you.
Katy's receipts are impressive, no doubt, but she still hasn't sold more records than Gaga, which according to you means she won't be as remembered/timeless. I mean, unless sales no longer matter.
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Originally posted by LoKoPaNdA
I doubt The Edge of Glory will become Gaga's classic though, it's already forgotten. Unless it begins to be played in ads, Gaga's classic will be Poker Face and maybe Bad Romance too.
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Mhm, that's why I just said it sounds like it could become a classic. The song is actually still played all the time during sporting events and on TV.
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Originally posted by idkher
The monsters really do not understand what timeless means. Talking about single and album sales as if that relates at ALL to people listening to the song in 20 or 30 years. There are plenty of songs and albums that had massive sales years ago but are completely forgotten in 2015.
Katy's hits are seeing LONGEVITY on Vevo and especially radio where she has countless gold recurrents on pop stations and Firework, Roar, Hot N Cold, Teenage Dream and even TOTGA are still slaying on adult stations. If Gaga can't even keep people listening to her music 5 years after it came out, what makes you think people will still be listening in 30 years? |
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Originally posted by Rusty
Where does Thriller chart? Or Vogue? Or Hey Jude?
Kats seem to have difficulty understanding the difference between current popularity and timelessness.
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Lemme repeat that: Kats seem to have difficulty understanding the difference between current popularity and timelessness.
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Where's the Beatles songs in the top 1000? And on VEVO?
I don't think anyone would argue that they aren't timeless, so I don't think all the little stats (it was cute while it lasted though!) count.
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Originally posted by Arioso
Vevo and iTunes stats in an argument about timeless music.
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I mean, if a song is barely remembered today, I doubt it's going to fare much better in 20+ years.
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People don't listen to Gaga now, why would they listen to her in 20 years? 
Hot N Cold alone has better catalog/recurrent sales/streams/airplay than all Gaga's singles combined, which is kinda sad considering it's not even one of her Top5 biggest hits
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Originally posted by Arioso
Vevo and iTunes stats in an argument about timeless music.
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When people don't care that much two or three years later why should they 20 years from now on?
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Originally posted by LoKoPaNdA
And Monsters seem to have difficulty understanding that current popularity of older songs is indicative of music becoming timeless. 
And Katy above Gaga in iTunes has been a thing for years now probably since BTW the album wore off two months into its release. 4 years of Katy's singles above Gaga's that's indicative of her being more timeless  |
Born This Way sold 300,000+ copies in January 2012. Could you stop making things up? The album literally outsold Katy's best-seller which had a re-release. Let's not.
Katy is on an upswing in popularity with her tour/era and the Super bowl performance. Her songs are currently more popular. This doesn't indicate timelessness at all, but it's not like logic is part of the Kat lexicon...
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I think highly acclaimed music stands the test of time (Beatles, Madonna, Cher, Sound of Music, MJ, Prince, etc) GRAMMYs can help us figure out who is highly acclaimed.
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Originally posted by ezra
Where's the Beatles songs in the top 1000? And on VEVO?
I don't think anyone would argue that they aren't timeless, so I don't think all the little stats (it was cute while it lasted though!) count.
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http://kworb.net/itunes/
76. The Beatles
104. Lady Gaga
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Originally posted by Katy V.!
People don't listen to Gaga now, why would they listen to her in 20 years?
Hot N Cold alone has better catalog/recurrent sales/streams/airplay than all Gaga's singles combined, which is kinda sad considering it's not even one of her Top5 biggest hits
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I was thinking maybe because Gaga's songs aren't as basic as Katy's? Maybe, just maybe. 
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Originally posted by idkher
The monsters really do not understand what timeless means. Talking about single and album sales as if that relates at ALL to people listening to the song in 20 or 30 years. There are plenty of songs and albums that had massive sales years ago but are completely forgotten in 2015.
Katy's hits are seeing LONGEVITY on Vevo and especially radio where she has countless gold recurrents on pop stations and Firework, Roar, Hot N Cold, Teenage Dream and even TOTGA are still slaying on adult stations. If Gaga can't even keep people listening to her music 5 years after it came out, what makes you think people will still be listening in 30 years? |
The Navy 
All of this basically. Sorry!
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Originally posted by Bang Up
Now you're just forgetting your own arguments.
"Katy is selling more right now so she's more timeless."
"Gaga has sold more? THAT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING."
Keep track of what you're saying.
Let me make it easier for you: your own logic works against you.
Katy's receipts are impressive, no doubt, but she still hasn't sold more records than Gaga, which according to you means she won't be as remembered/timeless. I mean, unless sales no longer matter. |
Katy is winning on iTunes, VEVO, Radio, etc because these people think her music is STILL worth being played despite them being released a few years ago.
Gaga's songs are very weak on iTunes, VEVO, Radio, etc...
If people don't buy, don't listen, don'y stream, etc Gaga's music NOW after 6 years what makes you think her music will still be played after 10 years more?
Gaga sold more... that's in the PAST but she's not selling NOW which means TIME had an impact on her since her music is so 2009 and "dancey"
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timeless
ˈtʌɪmləs/
adjective
not affected by the passage of time or changes in fashion.
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Do you get it now? did you grasp it?
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Originally posted by ontherocks
When people don't care that much two or three years later why should they 20 years from now on?
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You guys still don't get how this argument is detrimental to your own fave. Someone "no one cares about" has sold more records than someone supposedly everyone loves. Do you guys really live in a world where no one cares about Gaga despite her being one of the highest selling musicians of all time and just received more press and praise in one month than her contemporaries have the entire year?
Katy's music supposedly being played and bought today yet not a single Katy song has sold more than 'Poker Face' on a worldwide level. 'Firework' charts every year and still hasn't outsold Gaga's biggest hits...
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Originally posted by Ethereaaal
I was thinking maybe because Gaga's songs aren't as basic as Katy's? Maybe, just maybe. |
You were thinking and you were wrong. Being dated doesn't make them any less basic. It's just the production that can't stand the test of time and is forgotten after barely 5 years.
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Most of Gaga's music has aged terribly, but Poker Face will be remembered. As for Katy, Teenage Dream (the song) is timeless, but it's hard to say what her signature song is. Most of her music has aged fine.
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Originally posted by idkher
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OMG
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These are the songs still charting from Lady Gaga
Applause
Born This Way
Do What U Want
Yoü and I
Poker Face
Bad Romance
MANiCURE
Just Dance
There are the song still charting from Katy Perry:
Roar
Dark Horse
Firework
Birthday
Unconditionally
By the Grace of God
Wide Awake
Hot N Cold
This Is How We Do
Legendary Lovers
The One That Got Away
Walking On Air
Teenage Dream
California Gurls
I Kissed a Girl
Part of Me
Last Friday Night
Who You Love
I guess the answer is Katy Perry.
EDIT: I think Katy Perry is getting more sales, airplay and streams as of today, how is Lady Gaga winning the poll 
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Originally posted by ezra
"Katy has the most songs ahead of Gaga!!"
*posts Katy's songs post-superbowl released last year*
As if Gaga's multi-10 million sellers aren't possibly going to be classics but because This is How We Do's video is still popular that it will be Use your heads |
"Longevity! Longevity!" Yeah, longevity my ass when people who want the song ALREADY bought the song.
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