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Poll: More timeless: Katy or Gaga?
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Katy Perry's music
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Lady Gaga's music
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Originally posted by Bang Up
 And yet the Kats are using recurrent play on top 40/pop stations to prove their point.
That's my point. Current and timeless are opposites. Timeless means that in 20 years from now, the song will still be played and remembered. The only receipts you can use to prove something will be timeless is sales, which both women have in their favor.
I'll repeat myself, if you think a song that has sold 14m copies WW will not be remembered in 20 years, you're not just deluded, you're stupid. This goes for both stanbases and for both women.
Nobody is going to remember all of Katy's singles or all of Gaga's singles, only the biggest and most successful, just like people only remember Michael and Madonna's biggest, most successful singles. Both women will undoubtedly have timeless songs 20 years from now as they've defined this generation's musical output (along with a couple of others). The whole "more timeless" makes no sense because you can't be "more timeless" than something or someone else. Either you're timeless or you're not and only Kats are in here trying to argue a certain popstar isn't. |
again, clearly saying "more likely to BE timeless," considering katy's songs are in the top and gaga's aren't, and also considering the views, etc. "MORE likely to BE timeless." please read.
EDIT: that being said, i think both of them can be "timeless" in the future, it's not one or the other. both of them are going to have hits that are remembered; but i do think it's indisputable that katy will have more hits that are remembered, simply because she has more hits, period.
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Teenage Dream alone will be remembered more than any gaga song.
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KatyCats CLOCKING Monsters as usual 
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OT, I'd say Katy.
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not some of yall stating that Just Dance,Bad Romance and Poker Face are still listenable
Poker Face maybe ,but all of her other singles meh
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The receipts 
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"Katy has the most songs ahead of Gaga!!"
*posts Katy's songs post-superbowl released last year*
As if Gaga's multi-10 million sellers aren't possibly going to be classics but because This is How We Do's video is still popular that it will be Use your heads
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Originally posted by Bang Up
And what you're purposely ignoring is the fact that no artist has more than a handful of "timeless" songs. Most artists only have one timeless song that goes on to be remembered decades from now. If you think the six songs that are currently charting on current iTunes is indicative of what will be timeless in twenty years, you're more delusional than I originally thought.
If I had to choose, Katy's timeless classic will be 'Firework' and Gaga's will be between 'Poker Face' or 'The Edge'. I'll go with 'Poker Face' just because of its sales even though 'The Edge' sounds like it would become a timeless song.
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This is just non-sense, Gaga's songs are getting weak sales + streams unlike Katy's.
You tell me, based on these receipts, which one is the most likely to get ACTUAL timeless hit/s that the GP likes to listen to all the time? who is on the right track?
Let me make it easier for you, it's Katy Perry.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Bang Up
And what you're purposely ignoring is the fact that no artist has more than a handful of "timeless" songs. Most artists only have one timeless song that goes on to be remembered decades from now. If you think the six songs that are currently charting on current iTunes is indicative of what will be timeless in twenty years, you're more delusional than I originally thought.
If I had to choose, Katy's timeless classic will be 'Firework' and Gaga's will be between 'Poker Face' or 'The Edge'. I'll go with 'Poker Face' just because of its sales even though 'The Edge' sounds like it would become a timeless song.
I must've missed the receipts from 2040 radio that proves your point.  |
I doubt The Edge of Glory will become Gaga's classic though, it's already forgotten. Unless it begins to be played in ads, Gaga's classic will be Poker Face and maybe Bad Romance too.
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Originally posted by KatyLegendperry
Poker Face
#69 Peru
#149 Greece
Bad Romance
#78 Peru
#131 Greece
Firework
#34 Chile
#78 United Arab Emirates
#86 Venezuela
#87 Philippines
#89 India
#93 The Bahamas
#110 Argentina
#113 Grenada
#120 Egypt
#143 Costa Rica
#145 Lebanon
#158 Peru
#171 Mexico
#173 Honduras
#184 Venezuela
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Where does Thriller chart? Or Vogue? Or Hey Jude?
Kats seem to have difficulty understanding the difference between current popularity and timelessness.
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The monsters really do not understand what timeless means. Talking about single and album sales as if that relates at ALL to people listening to the song in 20 or 30 years.  There are plenty of songs and albums that had massive sales years ago but are completely forgotten in 2015.
Katy's hits are seeing LONGEVITY on Vevo and especially radio where she has countless gold recurrents on pop stations and Firework, Roar, Hot N Cold, Teenage Dream and even TOTGA are still slaying on adult stations. If Gaga can't even keep people listening to her music 5 years after it came out, what makes you think people will still be listening in 30 years?
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Katy.
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Originally posted by ezra
"Katy has the most songs ahead of Gaga!!"
*posts Katy's songs post-superbowl released last year*
As if Gaga's multi-10 million sellers aren't possibly going to be classics but because This is How We Do's video is still popular that it will be Use your heads |
Do we need to use VEVO stats too? do you want the streams before the Superbowl for their old hits?
It won't be pretty
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Originally posted by KatyLegendperry
Poker Face
#69 Peru
#149 Greece
Bad Romance
#78 Peru
#131 Greece
Firework
#34 Chile
#78 United Arab Emirates
#86 Venezuela
#87 Philippines
#89 India
#93 The Bahamas
#110 Argentina
#113 Grenada
#120 Egypt
#143 Costa Rica
#145 Lebanon
#158 Peru
#171 Mexico
#173 Honduras
#184 Venezuela
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What is this supposed to prove? That even though 'Firework' is selling 45 copies amongst the small countries it's charting in, it still hasn't outsold 'Poker Face'?
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Originally posted by ahauntingnearu
again, clearly saying "more likely to BE timeless," considering katy's songs are in the top and gaga's aren't, and also considering the views, etc. "MORE likely to BE timeless." please read.
EDIT: that being said, i think both of them can be "timeless" in the future, it's not one or the other. both of them are going to have hits that are remembered; but i do think it's indisputable that katy will have more hits that are remembered, simply because she has more hits, period.
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But Gaga has sold more albums and more records overall, so more people have her music and she'll be remembered more? That's the logic being used here.
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Originally posted by Rusty
Where does Thriller chart? Or Vogue? Or Hey Jude?
Kats seem to have difficulty understanding the difference between current popularity and timelessness.
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And Monsters seem to have difficulty understanding that current popularity of older songs is indicative of music becoming timeless. 
And Katy above Gaga in iTunes has been a thing for years now probably since BTW the album wore off two months into its release. 4 years of Katy's singles above Gaga's that's indicative of her being more timeless 
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Hmm I would say Katy since most of her songs don't sound like they belong in any specific year where as Gaga does sound like she belongs to the late 00s/early 10s
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Originally posted by idkher
The monsters really do not understand what timeless means. Talking about single and album sales as if that relates at ALL to people listening to the song in 20 or 30 years. There are plenty of songs and albums that had massive sales years ago but are completely forgotten in 2015.
Katy's hits are seeing LONGEVITY on Vevo and especially radio where she has countless gold recurrents on pop stations and Firework, Roar, Hot N Cold, Teenage Dream and even TOTGA are still slaying on adult stations. If Gaga can't even keep people listening to her music 5 years after it came out, what makes you think people will still be listening in 30 years? |
Exactly
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Originally posted by Bang Up
What is this supposed to prove? That even though 'Firework' is selling 45 copies amongst the small countries it's charting in, it still hasn't outsold 'Poker Face'?
But Gaga has sold more albums and more records overall, so more people have her music and she'll be remembered more? That's the logic being used here. |
What do overall sales have to do with this.... seems like you're the one who doesn't get the meaning of "timeless"
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Vevo and iTunes stats in an argument about timeless music.
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Quote:
Originally posted by idkher
The monsters really do not understand what timeless means. Talking about single and album sales as if that relates at ALL to people listening to the song in 20 or 30 years. There are plenty of songs and albums that had massive sales years ago but are completely forgotten in 2015.
Katy's hits are seeing LONGEVITY on Vevo and especially radio where she has countless gold recurrents on pop stations and Firework, Roar, Hot N Cold, Teenage Dream and even TOTGA are still slaying on adult stations. If Gaga can't even keep people listening to her music 5 years after it came out, what makes you think people will still be listening in 30 years? |
p much this, the monsters cant back up their arguments with actual receipts
katy won, Its over
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