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Celeb News: NYP: Why Madonna still matters. Drags MC,Britney &Jlo.
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Didn't Mariah release the same amount of albums as Madonna? So that ten year advantage is a bs response
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I love Britney, but saying she can tour WW is hell of a lie. Like her last tour ended being 70% or so sold out and Mariah and success don't go in the same sentence.
Trying to deny that Madonna is the most successful artist ever and nowadays is a tad absurd. I get it, jealousy, you're faves will never reach not even half of what Madonna achieved, but tone it down a bit - some of you look way too desperate.
Queen of the universe stays unbothered.
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Member Since: 6/17/2012
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Originally posted by ArtForFreedom
Didn't Mariah release the same amount of albums as Madonna? So that ten year advantage is a bs response
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They were saying Madonna had more longevity
24 years into her career Madonna had a 4 million selling album with a huge global lead, 24 years into Mariah's she's selling less than 500k WW
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Member Since: 9/1/2013
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Originally posted by MikeyDuff1D
This. Mariah, and especially Britney could easily tour the world and slay if they wanted to.
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no they cant.stop being delusional.i love them but just no
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Originally posted by Teen Idle
They were saying Madonna had more longevity
24 years into her career Madonna had a 4 million selling album with a huge global lead, 24 years into Mariah's she's selling less than 500k WW
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Less than 500k? Are u serious? She opened with 58k with her last album.... 
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Member Since: 1/5/2014
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Originally posted by slw84
And I'm a fan of Madonna and pre-ordered her new album.
That said, most of those songs she can keep. Only two songs actually are great and even then they aren't needed.
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Sure, jan. look at your sig.
are people seriously trying to say that Mariah is more successful than Madonna post 00's ? Don't you feel embarrassed?
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Member Since: 6/17/2012
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Originally posted by Ale-Alejandro
Less than 500k? Are u serious? She opened with 58k with her last album.... |
I don't really check for Mariah's career, I just know it sold something less than 500k in total 
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Member Since: 8/29/2009
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the article is bias and with the stats i wanted to show why. In addition i find it cringe-worthy to compare MIAM an album without a single, without a music video, without promotion whatsoever.
1. #Beautiful was released almost 1 year before the album
2. TAOLG had no video
3. YME was released 3 months before the album
4. the album had no current single and wasn't promoted during its release.
I guess a Brit Awards and Grammy performance would have helped MIAM as well.
I love them both though and it's true that Mariah lost her audience along the way, nevertheless it's not like she stopped having a career. I mean she was paid 18 million dollars in 2013 to work on idol.
Also, The Elusive Chanteuse Tour wasn't a world tour as it only focused on Asia and Australia. Shania Twain's up and coming tour in North America isn't exactly a world tour either #justsaying (or is it?)
Mariah has sold less than half as many albums as Madonna since 2000 with original new material worldwide (25m vs. 60m). Nevertheless, 25m is nothing to be ashamed of. On youtube there is the feud between a Madonna Fan and me who says Mariah (and everyone who sold less than Madonna which is basically every female artist) would be a flop-artist, which would include Céline (180m albums), Mariah (150m albums), Whitney (145m albums) and Barbra (135m albums).. --> just to name the top selling albums artists of all times.
Madonna is the only female artist to hit global albums sales of 200m or better. THE ONLY. The audacity to claim that nobody else matters besides her is quite condescending and annoying.
I'm so happy for Madonna's staying power. At the same time it's bias to say it was harder for Madonna to keep herself relevant since she's started in the 1980's and therefore entered her 4th decade. People tend to forget that albums sales very rising and quite healthy in the 1980's, continued to rise in the 1990's and peaked in 2000/2001 before they fell down and reached levels of the 1960's now.
In the 1980's Madonna sold sth in between 75-80m albums, in the 1990's she's sold 70m albums in the 2000's she's added 55m
Mariah sold 120m albums in the 1990's and 25m in the 2000's. Quite the downfall. But between 2000-2004 she couldn't even get airplay with whatever she released.
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Member Since: 8/29/2009
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Originally posted by Tutankhamun
Sure, jan. look at your sig.
are people seriously trying to say that Mariah is more successful than Madonna post 00's ? Don't you feel embarrassed?
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nobody said that, but the article made it seem like nobody besides madonna is relevant anymore when it is a FACT that FOR EXAMPLE in the USA Mariah sold more albums and had more hit singles since the new millennium.
It is a fact that Mariah sold more albums than Madonna in the USA and Asia since 2000, Madonna owns Europe which - luckily for her - is a much much bigger market than Asia and accounts for roughly 30% of global music sales (whereas asia accounts for 10%).
Mariah's "problem" has always been that she used to sell much much more in Asia than Europe. Mariah sold 27m albums in Europe (vs. Madonna's almost 70m), while she sold much much more in Asia than Madonna (35m vs. idk 20m?).
But since people believe that huge EU sales are better and more important than huge asian sales, Mariah will always be seen as a local act.
btw i bought RH and am a huge Madonna fan, i just don't like her biased hardcore stans.
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Member Since: 3/5/2014
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Originally posted by Teen Idle
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Kii at the attempt when Gaga's peak is higher and she doesn't even have an album about to come out. The self drag. Kii at Gaga having spikes during the time Madonna is promoting. Kii at Madonna hardly being higher than her at the end despite all the promo she's doing. You didn't think this through. 
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Originally posted by wanderlust
if M fans would give a **** this whole forum would be full of topics of M praise, because she's getting a lot of it.
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No, she's not.  Cackling at the idea of Madge fans "not giving a ****".
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Originally posted by stevyy
the article is bias and with the stats i wanted to show why. In addition i find it cringe-worthy to compare MIAM an album without a single, without a music video, without promotion whatsoever.
1. #Beautiful was released almost 1 year before the album
2. TAOLG had no video
3. YME was released 3 months before the album
4. the album had no current single and wasn't promoted during its release.
I guess a Brit Awards and Grammy performance would have helped MIAM as well.
I love them both though and it's true that Mariah lost her audience along the way, nevertheless it's not like she stopped having a career. I mean she was paid 18 million dollars in 2013 to work on idol.
Also, The Elusive Chanteuse Tour wasn't a world tour as it only focused on Asia and Australia. Shania Twain's up and coming tour in North America isn't exactly a world tour either #justsaying (or is it?)
Mariah has sold less than half as many albums as Madonna since 2000 with original new material worldwide (25m vs. 60m). Nevertheless, 25m is nothing to be ashamed of. On youtube there is the feud between a Madonna Fan and me who says Mariah (and everyone who sold less than Madonna which is basically every female artist) would be a flop-artist, which would include Céline (180m albums), Mariah (150m albums), Whitney (145m albums) and Barbra (135m albums).. --> just to name the top selling albums artists of all times.
Madonna is the only female artist to hit global albums sales of 200m or better. THE ONLY. The audacity to claim that nobody else matters besides her is quite condescending and annoying.
I'm so happy for Madonna's staying power. At the same time it's bias to say it was harder for Madonna to keep herself relevant since she's started in the 1980's and therefore entered her 4th decade. People tend to forget that albums sales very rising and quite healthy in the 1980's, continued to rise in the 1990's and peaked in 2000/2001 before they fell down and reached levels of the 1960's now.
In the 1980's Madonna sold sth in between 75-80m albums, in the 1990's she's sold 70m albums in the 2000's she's added 55m
Mariah sold 120m albums in the 1990's and 25m in the 2000's. Quite the downfall. But between 2000-2004 she couldn't even get airplay with whatever she released.
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 Madonna fans being like, "the audacity and delusion to question Madonna's success" all while questioning and shading Mariah's massive success. Not to mention comparing the two makes no sense. Mariah isn't a popstar so of course she isn't going to sell as much as a popstar in the long run. Logic. The fact that Mariah has sold what she has sold without pop music and gimmicks is amazing!
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Member Since: 2/26/2012
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Originally posted by stevyy
the article is bias and with the stats i wanted to show why. In addition i find it cringe-worthy to compare MIAM an album without a single, without a music video, without promotion whatsoever.
1. #Beautiful was released almost 1 year before the album
2. TAOLG had no video
3. YME was released 3 months before the album
4. the album had no current single and wasn't promoted during its release.
I guess a Brit Awards and Grammy performance would have helped MIAM as well.
I love them both though and it's true that Mariah lost her audience along the way, nevertheless it's not like she stopped having a career. I mean she was paid 18 million dollars in 2013 to work on idol.
Also, The Elusive Chanteuse Tour wasn't a world tour as it only focused on Asia and Australia. Shania Twain's up and coming tour in North America isn't exactly a world tour either #justsaying (or is it?)
Mariah has sold less than half as many albums as Madonna since 2000 with original new material worldwide (25m vs. 60m). Nevertheless, 25m is nothing to be ashamed of. On youtube there is the feud between a Madonna Fan and me who says Mariah (and everyone who sold less than Madonna which is basically every female artist) would be a flop-artist, which would include Céline (180m albums), Mariah (150m albums), Whitney (145m albums) and Barbra (135m albums).. --> just to name the top selling albums artists of all times.
Madonna is the only female artist to hit global albums sales of 200m or better. THE ONLY. The audacity to claim that nobody else matters besides her is quite condescending and annoying.
I'm so happy for Madonna's staying power. At the same time it's bias to say it was harder for Madonna to keep herself relevant since she's started in the 1980's and therefore entered her 4th decade. People tend to forget that albums sales very rising and quite healthy in the 1980's, continued to rise in the 1990's and peaked in 2000/2001 before they fell down and reached levels of the 1960's now.
In the 1980's Madonna sold sth in between 75-80m albums, in the 1990's she's sold 70m albums in the 2000's she's added 55m
Mariah sold 120m albums in the 1990's and 25m in the 2000's. Quite the downfall. But between 2000-2004 she couldn't even get airplay with whatever she released.
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flawless post
thank you
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Member Since: 2/26/2012
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We all know Madonna is the queen of pop, selling more than Mariah and Britney
but what's the point to degrade other artists as if they were really really flop singers
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Member Since: 4/28/2012
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Originally posted by DitaBoy12
Then is a shame they don't want too.  |
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Member Since: 8/10/2010
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I am sorry to say this, but Mariah doesn't look presentable to sing on an awards show. It's just, she doesn't have it.
Her voice >>>>>>> but that's all.
And it's quite delusional to talk about Mimi's career, it's basically non existent - let's not make up stories. She didn't had music videos, because who would have clicked that?
It's just facts. Her career is as existent as Whitney Houston's. Now y'all can talk as much as you want, monsters can quote as much as they want " proofs", but at the end of the day,
MADONNA after 31 year, outsells your faves, outperforms them, does better music, and still is the touring beast that takes 3 out of the top 10 tours, heading for the 4th one.
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Member Since: 11/24/2009
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Didn't Mariah's last lead single peak in the top 15 on the Hot 100?
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Member Since: 11/16/2010
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Originally posted by Pecinta Mariah
We all know Madonna is the queen of pop, selling more than Mariah and Britney
but what's the point to degrade other artists as if they were really really flop singers
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This, tbh. As a Madonna stan, I can't understand why the article chose to drag Mariah and Brit, since Mariah and Madonna are in two separate categories music-wise. The Madonna praise is valid, but the shade is uncalled for.
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Member Since: 10/26/2009
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Originally posted by stevyy
the article is bias and with the stats i wanted to show why. In addition i find it cringe-worthy to compare MIAM an album without a single, without a music video, without promotion whatsoever.
1. #Beautiful was released almost 1 year before the album
2. TAOLG had no video
3. YME was released 3 months before the album
4. the album had no current single and wasn't promoted during its release.
I guess a Brit Awards and Grammy performance would have helped MIAM as well.
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The ****ing reach! what are you trying to prove with this? You think the label would try to sabotage her album and their own money 
The TRUE first single was Triumphant and of course the song deserves to flop tragically like it did. Then she went on AI and had a great platform to launch #Beautiful and that didn't go nowhere either. The song's performance was very mediocre (despite HUGE radio payola deal and AI's exposure) and didn't gather enough buzz for the album so it was pushed back. When the next 2 singles didn't do anything, they decided to just put the album out because the label knew it was destined to flop anyway. That's the story. I can't at you trying to spin this into some kind of terrible management when the truth is it's because of her irrelevance, terrible music, terrible music videos, terrible performances
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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ddd Lamb4Life do you stan for Mariah?
I mean I'm a realistic Madonna stan and I don't drag her like that...God
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Member Since: 2/2/2012
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Madonna is always relevant, anyone who states the opposite is clearly pressed or delusional.
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Member Since: 2/4/2014
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Originally posted by Bang Up
Nah, she's been the most talked about girl in pop for the past two months thanks to the Grammys, Oscars, AHS, Stevie Wonder tribute, and Sting tribute.
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She is not the most talked about woman in pop music and all those people talking are mainly the stans, not the GP.
P.S. Beyonce's name dominated Grammys talk thanks to Kanye's rant and Beck winning over her. Even the Annie Lennox got a lot more buzz at the Grammys than Gaga's performance. No one cared about the latter. 
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