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Discussion: The most manufactured pop star
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Originally posted by °ColdFire°
Yes, there is. Britney wanted to release album called Original Doll , but she was alone against the record label. She even premiered Mona Lisa on radio, but soon after it was scrapped like the whole album. Also one of the reasons why album was cancelled was her first pregnancy.
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Manufactured and controlled by her team once again.
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Originally posted by swissman
Are you being serious?
How are singing and dancing as equally as important? Did Ella Fitzgerald dance? Did Whitney? Celine? Mariah? Diana? Patti? Aretha? Carole King? etc…..
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Micheal Jackson has a bigger career than all of them combined and his most remembered and iconic talent was his dancing. SO YES IT IS AS IMPORTANT!
So Britney may not be the best singer but she danced her career to the top. She might be manufactured but not any less than someone like Beyoncé.
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Originally posted by swissman
Ya that was my point though. Mona Lisa isn't a great song.
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Your opinion. Reception of the song was good.
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Just because Beyoncé runs the show and has a say in her career doesn't mean that her public image isn't manufactured. 
She's talented, for sure, but she's also extremely controlling over what the public sees and knows of her, which can come across as a little contrived sometimes. She doesn't seem to have much spontaneity at all (not even on social media) and doesn't appear to speak her mind in fear of rubbing someone the wrong way.
She's good at business, yes. She's strategic yes. She can sing, yes.
But that doesn't mean that she can't possibly be manufactured.
EDIT: Most pop stars' public images are contrived. Very few - like Lady Gaga, for example - are just being themselves and following their gut instinct.
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Originally posted by AMENHOOKER
Just because Beyoncé runs the show and has a say in her career doesn't mean that her public image isn't manufactured.
She's talented, for sure, but she's also extremely controlling over what the public sees and knows of her, which can come across as a little contrived sometimes. She doesn't seem to have much spontaneity at all (not even on social media) and doesn't appear to speak her mind in fear of rubbing someone the wrong way.
She's good at business, yes. She's strategic yes. She can sing, yes.
But that doesn't mean that she can't possibly be manufactured.
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And that's what everyone thinks outside her base
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Originally posted by Triton
Manufactured and controlled by her team once again.
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A quote from one of the KIIS-FM radio DJ's regarding The Original Doll:
" In the back of my mind I’m thinking, 'No signed artist would ever do that [premiere song on the radio without label's permission], because [Jive/Zomba Label Group President/CEO] Barry Weiss would cut them in half with a cleaver," Barnes says. "If you don't have the record out yet, you're going to find some radio guy who will ship it out half done, and the whole project will be trashed." February 1, 2005. "
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Originally posted by Trent W
Micheal Jackson has a bigger career than all of them combined and his most remembered and iconic talent was his dancing. SO YES IT IS AS IMPORTANT!
So Britney may not be the best singer but she danced her career to the top. She might be manufactured but not any less than someone like Beyoncé.
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Ok. One example trumps the thousands of examples of singers who are famous without having been dancers? How?
It's one thing to be remembered for dancing because it in itself is iconic even if you have a decent voice, and another thing to be famous despite your lack of vocal ability. Michael perhaps was a better dancer than a singer, but his singing was pretty great. That's the important thing to remember, not just that he danced a lot.
Beyoncé was lucky because her father was her manager and her mother was her stylist. They were always working for her, for her best interests. So she always had a lot of input about what she wanted to do, sing, wear, etc. That's why her label told her she needed more pop songs for her debut but she left it. That's why B'Day was created out of her own pocket. That's why her label said not to release RTW and she did anyway. That's why she filmed a surprise album without label support and only gave it to them later. She's in control. That's a HUGE HUGE HUGE difference.
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Originally posted by AMENHOOKER
Just because Beyoncé runs the show and has a say in her career doesn't mean that her public image isn't manufactured.
She's talented, for sure, but she's also extremely controlling over what the public sees and knows of her, which can come across as a little contrived sometimes. She doesn't seem to have much spontaneity at all (not even on social media) and doesn't appear to speak her mind in fear of rubbing someone the wrong way.
She's good at business, yes. She's strategic yes. She can sing, yes.
But that doesn't mean that she can't possibly be manufactured.
EDIT: Most pop stars' public images are contrived. Very few - like Lady Gaga, for example - are just being themselves and following their gut instinct.
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I agree 100% but that doesn't make her the most manufactured pop star as a whole, when some careers are literally created and dictated by labels with minimal effort or input from the artist.
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Originally posted by Trent W
And that's what everyone thinks outside her base
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Don't speak on "everyones" behalf, thanks
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being involved in your career =/= being manufactured
Britney is the definition of manufactored
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Originally posted by AMENHOOKER
Just because Beyoncé runs the show and has a say in her career doesn't mean that her public image isn't manufactured.
She's talented, for sure, but she's also extremely controlling over what the public sees and knows of her, which can come across as a little contrived sometimes. She doesn't seem to have much spontaneity at all (not even on social media) and doesn't appear to speak her mind in fear of rubbing someone the wrong way.
She's good at business, yes. She's strategic yes. She can sing, yes.
But that doesn't mean that she can't possibly be manufactured.
EDIT: Most pop stars' public images are contrived. Very few - like Lady Gaga, for example - are just being themselves and following their gut instinct.
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You're not explaining manufactured though, you're explaining secretive or rehearsed. She may be calculated but that's more business acumen than being a product, wherein decisions are made for you.
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Originally posted by bey0nce
I agree 100% but that doesn't make her the most manufactured pop star as a whole, when some careers are literally created and dictated by labels with minimal effort or input from the artist.
Don't speak on "everyones" behalf, thanks
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This. We're talking the word MOST meaning there is no one who is more manufactured.
You could argue that every popstar is manufactured, and they are, but not everyone is the most manufactured, least of all those who are consistently in control and making their own choices.
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Originally posted by bey0nce
I agree 100% but that doesn't make her the most manufactured pop star as a whole, when some careers are literally created and dictated by labels with minimal effort or input from the artist.
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The main difference between Beyoncé's 'manufactured public image' and others' - who shall go unnamed - is that Bey isn't actually being forced to do anything. She's pulling her own strings and running her own show, so no one can really debase her for it.
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Britney without a doubt. She has always been the most manufactured. Literally, her voice, her music is the most manufactured and doctored. Jive never gave her any control. Even her fiercest fans admit that. This is the same girl whose baby voice was a complete manufactured concoction by the label. And who hasn't sang a note live in over a decade.
All they've wanted her to be is a mindless drone and despite her mid-00s rebellion, that's all she's ever been to her handlers: a cash cow. And on the rare occasions Britney was not giving force-fed answers and actually allowed to give insight on her career, she even said the same: that her life is like a prison, strictly controlled & regimented and that nobody listens to her.
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I feel like Katy Perry is the most manufactured pop star as a whole.
Even I, as a huge fan, was a little taken aback when her team had her rework an old demo and make it fit her divorce with Russell just so she could score a hit single with 'Part of Me'. I mean, sure, it was great for business but it just didn't feel sincere at all.
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Britney.Her career at her peak was controlled mostly by her management, which lead to her series of breakdowns when she finally had enough.
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Originally posted by swissman
You're not explaining manufactured though, you're explaining secretive or rehearsed. She may be calculated but that's more business acumen than being a product, wherein decisions are made for you.
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Exactly. These girls don't know what manufactured means.
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Beyonce is 2nd most manufactured. She's an industrious worker that's essentially worked on making & maintaining her name (not just her music) as a hot commodity that's built for mass consumption.
Nothing about her public image is candid. Everything is highly manicured & calculated. She even has her own photographers to document her life. Her product is herself.
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Britney. Self-explanatory.
Rihanna. Every era she's a different, new person. Her bad girl image was magnified because it seemed to have been selling records and creating more interest in her. Lest we forget she was a failed Bey clone her first two eras. And in that was a complete bore with no one memorable moment. Writing camps that she doesn't even attend, etc.
Lady Gaga. Also self-explanatory. Although I do feel like she's moved on a bit from how she use to be.
Katy Perry. It seemed she wanted Prism to be a totally different album from what it turned out to be. I believe her label is steering the boat just a little bit.
All boy bands.
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And as always most of you don't know the true definition of the word you're trying to use. Trying to force a meaning of the word based off of what you WANT it to mean doesn't actually change the real definition of it. But carry on.
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