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Celeb News: Critics slam racist casting of Scarlett Johansson in movie
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Originally posted by Eternium
It's not the company's or Scarlet's fault. Blame the dumb ass public (that includes some ATRL members, too) that won't go and see films lead by Asian-descended stars.
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You can see some here in this topic. 
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Originally posted by Eternium
It's not the company's or Scarlet's fault. Blame the dumb ass public (that includes some ATRL members, too) that won't go and see films lead by Asian-descended stars.
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Their loss tbh, specially considering that actresses like Ha Ji Won would give Scarlett a run for her money.
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I don't believe American audiences won't see an Asian star, they just need to be in a good film. Harold & Kumar is a cult classic.
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Originally posted by Vin
Furthermore, it's hard to find Asians that act well in American film/television. Jackie Chan was a terrible actor.
Marketable and talented Asian actors like Lucy Liu and Maggie Q and Glenn from "The Walking Dead" are rare.
At least we have "Fresh Off The Boat" on ABC. >_>
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Except he's a horrible actor and I'm literally counting the days till his imminent, and necessary, death.
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The usual white supremacists of ATRL defending this mess I see. 
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the stupid arguments for not watching a movie because of an unknown actor/actress 
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I think that people in general are the ones to blame.
If they weren't so racist these movies would do well. I understand why an executive wouldn't put their money in an asian lead. It would probably flop. And no one in this planet will invest in a project that will flop.
LBR people, I would also put Scarlett as a lead if I was behind the whole project.
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Originally posted by Sinister
the stupid arguments for not watching a movie because of an unknown actor/actress
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As "stupid" as you may find it, it's true. Yes, there are no exceptions. But the majority of the time audiences will go to see movies of those they are familiar with. The only thing that "fixes" this mess is that they are changing the setting to America. Of course there are Asian Americans but none that can carry a blockbuster. America has never really been supportive of Asian entertainers unless they are martial artists or chefs. 
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Originally posted by Eternium
It's not the company's or Scarlet's fault. Blame the dumb ass public (that includes some ATRL members, too) that won't go and see films lead by Asian-descended stars.
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That's silly, I will gladly watch Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan, John Woo films, Ip Man series, Jet Li, wushu flicks like Seven Swords or Hero I just don't see a big deal with this. It's an obscure manga character 99.9% of people have never heard of before. Not something like James Bond.
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Originally posted by Inverted
1. It's dark-skinned and the author made it pretty clear she wasn't white so that contradicts the point made earlier in this thread. Also, "Spanish people" are from Spain. They're white.
2. That's false. Western audiences are actually more receptive to East Asian females (or any Asian females) over East Asian males. Why do you think Lucy Liu has had some mainstream success, but John Cho hasn't? And no, Jackie Chan and Jet Li don't count because they only get one type of film and they're never actually real leads.
3. Seriously? In that case, what's wrong with black face? Maybe they can hire Taylor Swift in a biopic about Rihanna. She just needs a bit of a tan.
4. Next time tell that to yourself when you have a minority issue to complain about.
5. Nice try. Gay men and British men make an even smaller part of the American population. Why are they more common in Hollywood than Asians?
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1 Spanish people are dark skinned white people that was my point.
2 I wasn't talking about East Asians in particular. I mean. How many white guys do you know that idolise Michael Jordan as opposed to Serena Williams. It's true.
3. That was ****
4. It's the true true
5. Gay population is about 10% of american population, Americans of British descent are the largest in America ~23% + a tonne of Brits live there, how is that more than 5.3% Asian (including East, Indian and Pacific Islanders)
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Originally posted by Eternium
It's not the company's or Scarlet's fault. Blame the dumb ass public (that includes some ATRL members, too) that won't go and see films lead by Asian-descended stars.
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Again, it really does all comes back to talent. I don't think America would have a problem if the Asian actors that were chosen are talented. But America only tends to think of Asians as "action stars" or a "comic act." It's the exact same in music, too. It's not a coincidence that the biggest Asian music act in American history, PSY, was looked on as a joke. I don't know why America likes to cast Asians this way. It's very odd. It's not this way with other nationalities. Asians in film and television either are "funny" or "know how to fight" in America, but they aren't really Oscar-worthy, film-leading stars.
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Originally posted by konaa
The usual white supremacists of ATRL defending this mess I see. |
Different thread, same people.
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Originally posted by Vin
Again, it really does all comes back to talent. I don't think America would have a problem if the Asian actors that were chosen are talented.
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If it's about talent they could cast Lee Bo Young and we're done. She has done action dramas before and is an excellent actress. But they wouldn't,even if she could speak english perfectly.
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Originally posted by QueenBLadyG
Except he's a horrible actor and I'm literally counting the days till his imminent, and necessary, death.
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The Asian actor who plays Glenn is good. His character is annoying, but the acting is good.
Ken Watanabe, on the other hand, is a terrible actor. He was awful in "Inception" and "Godzilla."
Where are the talented Asian actors? And why aren't they hired more?
...Vin
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Originally posted by Vin
The Asian actor who plays Glenn is good. His character is annoying, but the acting is good.
Ken Watanabe, on the other hand, is a terrible actor. He was awful in "Inception" and "Godzilla."
Where are the talented Asian actors? And why aren't they hired more?
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The **** Vin? You've got it completely backwards. Ken Watanabe is a fine actor, and specimen. He's Oscar nominated.
That thing that portrays Glenn is an abomination in every sense of the word.
And to answer your question, they aren't profitable. Until the world changes and Asian men are viewed as sex symbols, it won't change. Which is weird because Asian women are such a fetish for so many. But no one wants to invest emotionally or financially.
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Originally posted by MaoMars
If it's about talent they could cast Lee Bo Young and we're done. She has done action dramas before and is an excellent actress. But they wouldn't,even if she could speak english perfectly.
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Remember, this is a film for American audiences. Accents are distracting. They don't even like watching films heavy with English accents. It will be interesting to see how "Kingsmen: The Secret Service" does at the box office, this weekend.
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Originally posted by Rihbeyga
1 Spanish people are dark skinned white people that was my point.
2 I wasn't talking about East Asians in particular. I mean. How many white guys do you know that idolise Michael Jordan as opposed to Serena Williams. It's true.
3. That was ****
4. It's the true true
5. Gay population is about 10% of american population, Americans of British descent are the largest in America ~23% + a tonne of Brits live there, how is that more than 5.3% Asian (including East, Indian and Pacific Islanders)
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1. Most Spanish people are your typical Europeans and the few "darker" ones are just tan like Rafael Nadal. You know exactly what the author meant by dark-skinned. It wasn't white.
2. I understand what you're trying to say, but East Asians are the topic here and Serena Williams is such a bad example. She's one of the most bankable tennis stars (where most of them can't even endorsements).
3. Well, you're advocating the same type of thing make saying they could just give her makeup to make her look Japanese.
4. I know it's true, but I know you'll complain when the issue is about you. Don't lie.
5. Gay white men are not 10% of population, but they are the vast majority of LGBT portrayals in Hollywood. Also, I'm talking about actual Britons, not Americans with British ancestry like Bill Clinton. 
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Originally posted by Vin
Again, it really does all comes back to talent. I don't think America would have a problem if the Asian actors that were chosen are talented. But America only tends to think of Asians as "action stars" or a "comic act." It's the exact same in music, too. It's not a coincidence that the biggest Asian music act in American history, PSY, was looked on as a joke. I don't know why America likes to cast Asians this way. It's very odd. It's not this way with other nationalities. Asians in film and television either are "funny" or "know how to fight" in America, but they aren't really Oscar-worthy, film-leading stars. |
That's exactly why PSY was successful. He was seen as a joke. That's also the typical role of role of Asian men in Hollywood (like the Indian guy on The Big Bang Theory or that Korean man in The Hangover).
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Originally posted by Vin
The Asian actor who plays Glenn is good. His character is annoying, but the acting is good.
Ken Watanabe, on the other hand, is a terrible actor. He was awful in "Inception" and "Godzilla."
Where are the talented Asian actors? And why aren't they hired more?
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I read that Ha Ji Won was talking to some hollywood producers. She is perfect.
I hope she blesses the rest of the world with her talent and beauty. Empress 
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Don't blame beauty icon, sex symbol Scarlett Johansson blame the directors, producers, etc.
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Scarlett recent movies have done horrible.
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Scarlett does not have a show  and her most recent movie "Lucy" grossed over $450 million WW
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Yass @ MaoMars namedropping Ha Ji Won. Stan for greatness 
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Originally posted by Vin
Again, it really does all comes back to talent. I don't think America would have a problem if the Asian actors that were chosen are talented. But America only tends to think of Asians as "action stars" or a "comic act." It's the exact same in music, too. It's not a coincidence that the biggest Asian music act in American history, PSY, was looked on as a joke. I don't know why America likes to cast Asians this way. It's very odd. It's not this way with other nationalities. Asians in film and television either are "funny" or "know how to fight" in America, but they aren't really Oscar-worthy, film-leading stars.
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Asian actors are still stuck in the "Mammy Phase," imo. We're fine with seeing them as comic relief or even as nonhuman superheroes but the minute they portray the average Joe, we wonder why we couldn't have had a white person play that role. You have an excellent observation.
It's not problematic for Asians to play these roles until they get pigeonholed in to them. I was hoping the Hallyu Wave would birth a film sensation that would really kickstart a big Korean star but it seems to be highly unlikely 
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