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Chart Listings: Mediabase & Radio Formats (2003-2009 Archives)
Member Since: 7/27/2004
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Originally posted by Rico Shameless v2
"4 Minutes" would've been a hit alone. Don't sit here and say that as if she had a line of flops prior to that song. "4 Minutes" was a collaborative effort. Do you forget "Hung Up", "Die Another Day", "Music", etc. etc. going back years and years were all hits?
And Keri was flopping because her material was DATED. "Energy" was such a 2006 sound, and "Return The Favor" was the usual Timbaland beat that people got over after "The Way I Are". She finally got a sound that fit.
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Madonna is an artist radio wouldn't really touch... '4 Minutes' got everyone's attention because of Justin, end of story. Like I said, why would Madonna choose to have Justin on her record? It's simple: he's hot at the moment and radio will play him. If it were any other solo track on Hard Candy it WILL flop on radio (see: 'Give It 2 Me'). The same can be said for Britney's "Boys" remix with Pharell. Her label was desperate to give Britney a hit for that era and decided to give her an "urban" edge after a line of flops... only difference is that it still flopped (due mostly to her ban on the radio). And even if Madonna had all those hits back in the day we can say the same thing for Janet... she called on (no pun intended) Nelly to help her out because her sound wasn't relevant anymore. She needed someone current to revitalize her. Do you honestly think "4 Minutes" would have been a hit (on the radio) without Justin? When was the last time Madonna had a radio hit? 'Hung Up' as I recall did fairly well, but the main reason for it's success was due to strong digital sales.
The case with Ciara is that she created a video for every single song she released for this era with the intention of making it a hit. These days it seems acceptable to have multiple "first" singles before the album release and in my opinion it's a sign of irrelevance. Britney would NEVER have to go through that because one is confident to know she will succeed regardless and is current no matter what period it is in music. Nor will she have to ask for anyone's (prominent) collaborative effort (Madonna is an exception, she wanted to appear on that track because let's be honest... she was at a low point at the time and needed a lift). This is why Ciara (at least, in this era) is in the likes of the Keris and Nicoles... they can't seem to make it on their own after multiple tries and decided to ask for help. It's worked for Keri and it's looking good for Ciara. I don't think it's a coincidence, but let's see what happens when Ciara's "second" single comes out.
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Member Since: 3/2/2008
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^I don't know. "4 Minutes" without Justin isn't the same, I mean it's a duet, but still, I think it could've at least managed top 15 without Justin on it.
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Member Since: 8/3/2006
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Originally posted by Violet Skye
but let's see what happens when Ciara's "second" single comes out.
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All I read and all you had to say. 
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Member Since: 3/2/2008
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Originally posted by 1-N-Only21
T.I. went through the same thing with the beginning of "Paper Trail" that Ciara went through at the beginning of "Fantasy Ride" only like 4848 x worse.
Ciara is obviously a crossover name if her song has 600+ bullet at Pop, regardless of Justin. So that is killed. JIVE ****ed her over many times and now they are making up for it.
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By using Justin. Yes. Now, let's just drop this.
P.S. ~ I'm not a Ciara hater. Actually, I own Ciara: The Evolution and I've downloaded tracks from Goodies before.
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Member Since: 8/3/2006
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Originally posted by tcatron565
By using Justin. Yes. Now, let's just drop this.
P.S. ~ I'm not a Ciara hater. Actually, I own Ciara: The Evolution and I've downloaded tracks from Goodies before.
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By using advantage to get to the top. It's called hustling, read up on it.
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Member Since: 3/2/2008
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Member Since: 8/3/2006
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Originally posted by tcatron565
I know what hustling is.
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Sure you do. T.I. got 3 Top 2 hits from it too.
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Member Since: 8/24/2008
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Originally posted by Violet Skye
Madonna is an artist radio wouldn't really touch... '4 Minutes' got everyone's attention because of Justin, end of story. Like I said, why would Madonna choose to have Justin on her record? It's simple: he's hot at the moment and radio will play him. If it were any other solo track on Hard Candy it WILL flop on radio (see: 'Give It 2 Me'). The same can be said for Britney's "Boys" remix with Pharell. Her label was desperate to give Britney a hit for that era and decided to give her an "urban" edge after a line of flops... only difference is that it still flopped (due mostly to her ban on the radio). And even if Madonna had all those hits back in the day we can say the same thing for Janet... she called on (no pun intended) Nelly to help her out because her sound wasn't relevant anymore. She needed someone current to revitalize her. Do you honestly think "4 Minutes" would have been a hit (on the radio) without Justin? When was the last time Madonna had a radio hit? 'Hung Up' as I recall did fairly well, but the main reason for it's success was due to strong digital sales.
The case with Ciara is that she created a video for every single song she released for this era with the intention of making it a hit. These days it seems acceptable to have multiple "first" singles before the album release and in my opinion it's a sign of irrelevance. Britney would NEVER have to go through that because one is confident to know she will succeed regardless and is current no matter what period it is in music. Nor will she have to ask for anyone's (prominent) collaborative effort (Madonna is an exception, she wanted to appear on that track because let's be honest... she was at a low point at the time and needed a lift). This is why Ciara (at least, in this era) is in the likes of the Keris and Nicoles... they can't seem to make it on their own after multiple tries and decided to ask for help. It's worked for Keri and it's looking good for Ciara. I don't think it's a coincidence, but let's see what happens when Ciara's "second" single comes out.
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GO GIRL had T-Pian and NEVER EVER had Young Jeezy 
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Member Since: 11/18/2008
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ok lets forget that ciara issue, the thing is she's getting a HIt, it doesnt matter if its cuz of justin, it will help her, at the the end of the day it is what it is A HIT and is a ciara song.
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Member Since: 3/2/2008
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The song isn't even that great anyway.
Never Ever >>>>>>>>>> Love Sex Magic
Maybe it'll grow on me, but as of right now, I really hope Never Ever becomes a bigger hit than Love Sex Magic.
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Member Since: 11/18/2008
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Originally posted by tcatron565
The song isn't even that great anyway.
Never Ever >>>>>>>>>> Love Sex Magic
Maybe it'll grow on me, but as of right now, I really hope Never Ever becomes a bigger hit than Love Sex Magic.
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IKR? thats why i hate this freakin song (happy for her tho) because this song is taking away all the posibilities that neva eva could have had 
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Member Since: 7/27/2004
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Originally posted by Rihannafan
GO GIRL had T-Pian and NEVER EVER had Young Jeezy |
Based on popularity and radio dominance:
Justin > T-Pain, Young Jeezy
See: Love, Sex, Magic > Go Girl, Never Ever
I like Go Girl, but bottom line is that no matter what quality music she produced it got overshadowed. But by collaborating with Justin it caught people's attention... whether the music was of quality or not. Britney fans should already be familiar to this!
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Member Since: 7/27/2004
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Originally posted by 1-N-Only21
All I read and all you had to say. |
Hun, don't let your Ciara stantics delude you. I've read your pathetic posts since Go Girl... then Never Ever... you've become so predictable I'm not even going to bother discussing anything with you.
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Member Since: 8/3/2006
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Originally posted by Violet Skye
Hun, don't let your Ciara stantics delude you. I've read your pathetic posts since Go Girl... then Never Ever... you've become so predictable I'm not even going to bother discussing anything with you. |
LMAO, such a stan. 
Like you said, "Let's see what Ciara's second single does". Nobody wants to talk to you anyway, damn novel writing self.  
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Member Since: 8/24/2008
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Kelly has reached 65 million Audience Impressions, where is this on the Hot AirPlay Chart????
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Member Since: 7/27/2004
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Originally posted by 1-N-Only21
LMAO, such a stan.
Like you said, "Let's see what Ciara's second single does". Nobody wants to talk to you anyway, damn novel writing self. |
LMAO. My "novel writing" self? Oh yeah, you're the one who is notorious for not being able to comprehend simple English. I apologize, I should have known you had "special" qualities about you before starting an intelligent conversation.
I'm out.
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Member Since: 8/3/2006
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Originally posted by Violet Skye
LMAO. My "novel writing" self? Oh yeah, you're the one who is notorious for not being able to comprehend simple English. I apologize, I should have known you had "special" qualities about you before starting an intelligent conversation.
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DEAD, I don't even know you. 
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Member Since: 3/2/2008
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Originally posted by Rihannafan
Kelly has reached 65 million Audience Impressions, where is this on the Hot AirPlay Chart????
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Around Top 15...
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Member Since: 11/25/2008
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Originally posted by 1-N-Only21
LMAO, such a stan.
Like you said, "Let's see what Ciara's second single does". Nobody wants to talk to you anyway, damn novel writing self. |
Lmfao, that was kinda cold though.
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Member Since: 1/22/2007
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50-100 anyone? 
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