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Discussion: If Katy released 1989, would it be as acclaimed/respected?
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Originally posted by ryanpittman97
No because critics for some reason don't take pop artist seriously (Rihanna, Miley, Katy etc.).
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Rated R got a 75 on Metacritic though.
I think the OP question makes no sense anyway. Like...if Taylor wrote an album for Katy?
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Originally posted by katykater
It indeed comes down the branding/packaging/marketing. Katy doesn't play along with what every artist is striving for (acclaim, high end, sophisticated, peer/industry approval,...) and swims against the current.
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This sounds more accurate to Taylor than Katy imo.
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well if katy can write as good as taylor, then maybe,
but since katy is not capable of doing so and has to hire mckee to pen with her cringeworthy/ relatable lyrics, i don't think it'll be acclaimed. critics don't have bias over the artist but what the artist delivers
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Originally posted by Samuel
Definitely not, even if it was exactly the same. Taylor Swift is just a critics' darling.
If Katy had released Shake It Off it would have been panned.
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If any pop star - be it Lady Gaga, Rihanna or Katy Perry - released 'Shake It Off' (or 'We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together') as their lead single, they would be dragged to the pits.
To answer the question:
Absolutely not.
No pop star would see such immediate success with an album in 2014/2015 (minus Adele who isn't even seen as a 'pop act').
Taylor Swift's name sells her records more than the music does; she's just a huge star and a force to be reckoned with.
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No. That's why the meta critic is a joke for me. It's based on the 'artist', the 'hype' and the opening week sales. If Elton John released a trashy album, they would still give it a 80+ or something.
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Originally posted by katykater
If you put a different cover around a book or a different border around a painting, a lot of people are tricked into believing that it's much better.
It indeed comes down the branding/packaging/marketing. Katy doesn't play along with what every artist is striving for (acclaim, high end, sophisticated, peer/industry approval,...) and swims against the current.
Because the only thing the industry told her is that she was expired before she even got started and that she should be manufactered into an Avril, a Kelly Clarkson,... It's the crowds that told her to continue doing her own thing and she kept going because of the fans/crowds.
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Care to explain? Because not only myself, but many others will tell you that Katy Perry is one of, if not the safest popstar out there that goes along with the trends 
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Originally posted by Echelon
No because Taylor's ability to connect with her songs is really based on the fact that she is such a key figure in the writing process. Katy is a bit more distant from the lyrics she sings.
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Originally posted by PCiAM
This sounds more accurate to Taylor than Katy imo.
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In what way does Taylor swim against the current? She ran to Max Martin like everyone else.
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It would have been panned probably.
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Many critics bash pop music because they believe its manufactured, lacks artistic identity and/or is packaged to be consumed by mass amounts of people. Critics often think whomever singing the top 40 song of the moment can just as easily be replaced by another singer since many of these tracks are created solely by producers.
Taylor has put out a pop record that is easily accessible by mainstream but the album is still very "Taylor" and has her flair/personality all over it. You can tell she had a had in the creation of this music. Not just any mainstream pop star could have put this out and I think critics are aware of that and are rewarding her for it.
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Y'all overrate Taylor being a critics darling too much. If she released an album with full of Katy Perry cliches she'd be dragged to the pits of hell by the critics. Like, stop it.
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Nope! A lot of critics have it out for Katy (not completely unjustifiably). They'd be sure to call out all the moments on the weak points album that barely got passing references on Taylor's reviews as justification for their poor scores.
I'm not really sure why Taylor constantly gets a free pass for all the stuff Katy gets panned for. Especially when Taylor does it with half the panache and personality.
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Originally posted by katykater
Katy doesn't play along with what every artist is striving for (acclaim, high end, sophisticated, peer/industry approval,...) and swims against the current.
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Come on, now.
Katy Perry's singles (many of which have been remixed with big name rappers to rebuild the public's interest) are designed to tailor to pop radio. She and her team purposely play it safe in an effort not to turn off any potential buyers.
There is nothing wrong with her 'playing the game'; just be honest about it.
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Originally posted by Jaspurr
Y'all overrate Taylor being a critics darling too much. If she released an album with full of Katy Perry cliches she'd be dragged to the pits of hell by the critics. Like, stop it. |
Exactly.. like... this:
http://gawker.com/all-226-cliches-ut...bum-1451718946
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Taylor deserves her credits from critics ! she writes her songs for her albums since the beginning o her career and produced genuines masterpieces lyrically and critics know that 
And about the fact that SIO and WANEGBT are praised ! it s just because critics know why she downgrades her level on purpose to reach the others while for the rest it s just the level where they are really at .
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I didn't know 1989 was respected or acclaimed...just because an album sells a lot, doesn't make it great.
Taylor still benefits from her Country, and tween fanbases...add in some new pop fans and of course 1989 was gonna sell like gangbusters. Don't get me wrong, is a decent effort by Tay...but it's no 21, The Fame, or Loud.
To answer the OP...no, because Katy "isn't", tbh
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Originally posted by Jaspurr
Y'all overrate Taylor being a critics darling too much. If she released an album with full of Katy Perry cliches she'd be dragged to the pits of hell by the critics. Like, stop it. |
Taylor isn't short on cliches either. "Bad Blood", "Shake It Off", "Out of the Woods"... that's just looking at the tracklist.
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Originally posted by fridayteenage
I think the OP question makes no sense anyway. Like...if Taylor wrote an album for Katy?
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My understanding of the question is, "if 1989 were released with Katy's name"
In other words: all other things being equal (production, tracklisting, single choices, videos, lyrics, vocals, etc), would 1989 be as acclaimed as it has been as a Taylor album?
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Originally posted by alex_katycat
If Elton John released a trashy album, they would still give it a 80+ or something.
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This isn't really true  Reviewers drag (or at best give lukewarm reviews to) albums from "legends"
all the time if they feel it's justified 
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