[ultraviolento]

Originally posted by RihannasVeryOwn

U just love 2 embarrass yourself








& these are only the few that I bothered to look up

These are not iconic, hence they're not on the "MOST ICONIC MOMENTS" list from their respective events (or from pop culture sites for that matter). Stop being delusional.

[Ressti]

If we're talking about success, I guess she does have the full package. Her singles sell, her albums sell and her tours do great. Ever since LOUD anyway. + MAC and River Island collabs were very successful as well.

Only Britney, Beyoncé and Rihanna have sold ~200 million records and the fact that Rihanna did it in 9 years is very impressive. Her stats are incredible.

[Simplyvirtue]

Originally posted by IBeMe

The artpop era is not a complete flop! And attract doing those numbers is fantastic!!! Don't hate on Gaga pls atleast not here guys. This is about the amazing Rihanna let's stay on topic when we debate

Body electric brought up the other gerls!

[Simplyvirtue]

And not to mention that dress she wore to the fashion awards! she was definitely NOT THE FIRST TO DO THAT!

[Red Hot Moon]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I always thought this whole "full package"-thing was about Singing, Dancing, Songwriting, Personality & Looks?

[AMENHOOKER]

I don't understand why people like Beyoncé and Gaga (who have earned more, grossed more, seen bigger peaks, had more iconic moments, etc. than Rihanna) were brought up in this thread to begin with but I digress.

Give Kim Kardashian 13 #1 singles and she's Rihanna.

[KillingYourCareer]

Originally posted by AMENHOOKER

I don't understand why people like Beyoncé and Gaga (who have earned more, grossed more, seen bigger peaks, had more iconic moments, etc. than Rihanna) were brought up in this thread to begin with but I digress.

Give Kim Kardashian 13 #1 singles and she's Rihanna.

RUTHLESS

[IBeMe]

Originally posted by Red Hot Moon

Maybe I'm wrong, but I always thought this whole "full package"-thing was about Singing, Dancing, Songwriting, Personality & Looks?

Great then she is a fulll package according to your terms seeing as she ticks every box apart for one which she has co- written a few of her tracks ...it's really just her writing that she needs to pick up on . Her dacing and singing got a lot better, her personality and looks are obviously fantastic and ya just the writing I must agree I wish she did atleast like 3-4 tracks on each album

[ultraviolento]

From the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame









Rihanna: She's not there.

This is ICONIC, navy. Take notes.

[IBeMe]

Originally posted by ultraviolento

From the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame









Rihanna: She's not there.

This is ICONIC, navy. Take notes.

I swear to God i don't want to come across as shady but the Crazy in love outfit on that mannequin looks so cheap/off it looks like an outfit at the kids section in target

BUT that shows you that Beyonce's curves can make anything beautiful! She has a fantastic body for sure

[OffTheWall]

Yes she is. Rihanna has sold more albums and singles than any of her peers, has more iconic hits, can sing, dance, is beautiful,has a great personality and is still relevant a decade into her career. And her touring power is increasing with each tour instead of decreasing. True longevity and the full package.

[Red Hot Moon]

Imagine the Mess in here if R8 bombs or underperformes. Rihanna has been on the Top of her Game the last few Years, she's one of the most global Popstars at this Point and she obviously is very beautiful. Is that not enough for a Fanbase to be proud of?

[ultraviolento]

Originally posted by IBeMe

I swear to God i don't want to come across as shady but the Crazy in love outfit on that mannequin looks so cheap/off it looks like an outfit at the kids section in target

BUT that shows you that Beyonce's curves can make anything beautiful! She has a fantastic body for sure

Cheap but iconic

OT: WFL is not iconic.

[IBeMe]

Originally posted by ultraviolento

Cheap but iconic

OT: WFL is not iconic.

I always felt like the multicolor dress at the end of CIL should have been more appreciated then the t and shorts but I guess it's the simplicity that ppl liked from that outfit but ya the dress at the end is underrated even by the Beyhive

[moijejoue]

Originally posted by Red Hot Moon

Imagine the Mess in here if R8 bombs or underperformes. Rihanna has been on the Top of her Game the last few Years, she's one of the most global Popstars at this Point and she obviously is very beautiful. Is that not enough for a Fanbase to be proud of?

Nope I guess they think that if they hype her up enough people will start to believe it, like the idea she can wear anything or she's the most beautiful popstar ever when she wear tons of make up.

[RihannasVeryOwn]

Right there, in the middle is Rihanna's RUDE BOY outfit, in the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame no less!!

[Simplyvirtue]

Originally posted by AMENHOOKER

I don't understand why people like Beyoncé and Gaga (who have earned more, grossed more, seen bigger peaks, had more iconic moments, etc. than Rihanna) were brought up in this thread to begin with but I digress.

Give Kim Kardashian 13 #1 singles and she's Rihanna.

[Capital B]

Before one can even be considered close to "full package", one needs talent, drive, work ethic, and the ability to get through a live performance

[Simplyvirtue]

Originally posted by IBeMe

But did I say that? No! I said that when she did it a lot of girls followed suit right after or during the loud era. Or atleast they did different shades of red because they didn't want to be seen as copy cats. It's not just a coincidence that both my examples f girls who did it are from the UK a country that was Absolutly under Rihanna's spel during the Loud era and this is irrefutable and usebatable tbh. Tell me has Beyonce ever had a 6x platinum album in the UK? Why do we only speak of the US (the biggest maket) when we want to ..when Loud sold nearly as much as Self Titled did in the US but in the UK the 3rd or fourth biggest market. Now that is impact tbh

And I am not going to be pushed to discredit Yonce's work because am not a person who gets blinded by the Stan card. I realize self titled is amazing and sold fabulously but let's just not take away the one thing Rihanna un arguably has which is fashion impact! Sheis honestly the number 1 female pop star in terms of fashion. Can y'all atleast give her that without debating it simply because u don't like her

I actually like Rihanna! But the stans on this site make that hard because they always try to down my fav!

[zzmyth]

Originally posted by ultraviolento

Her voice is average and she can't write so talent wise she's far from it, imo. She's also the only pop girl who doesn't have an 150m+ grossing tour, which is weird since she has no many hits. Her album sales are also pretty mediocre, 7 albums = 30m is underwhelming when you have Taylor, Beyoncé and Gaga doing almost the same numbers with only 4-5 releases and without all them hits.

Her voice is average.... well... let me tell you that her voice is only below Beyonce from those you name RIGHT NOW.

Her tour grossed 140M and that is because she didnt extend it or even get close to the 100 dates...

She did 140M from 89 shows... 99,6% sold out dates.... I mean... 1.57M per show

Lady Gaga's last tour grossed 79M from 79 shows = 1M per show.

Katy Perry will do around 160M from 130 shows = 1.23M per show

The fact that she doesnt want to do 200 shows doesnt mean she doesnt get that money... or sell out the arenas....