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Discussion: Why Can't Rihanna & Katy Able To Debut With Over 500K
Member Since: 4/27/2010
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Let's be real: recent albums with ~1 million plus debuts were bolstered by HUGE endorsement deals that were extremely transparent. Timberlake had Budweiser, Target, and Clear Channel. Beyonce had the surprise release (very effective), but also massive deals with iTunes and Target. Swift had Clear Channel, American Express, iTunes, Target, country fans, and Coke. Swift gave her fans incentive to buy multiple copies. They all saturated the entire market for at least a month. Cobain rolled in his grave every time.
Katy's tour was sponsored by Chase Bank. I don't know about Rihanna. Their most recent releases definitely weren't shoved down people's throats from a marketing perspective, though.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by idkher
Katy is a singles artist. Rihanna on the other hand is coming for 400k with R8
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Funny you tried to come after Katy when she has bigger debut week, bigger tour, and her albums are all 1.5M+ sellers
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Member Since: 7/22/2010
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Katy is just getting started, she is on her third album?
Rihanna on the other hand has lots of albums, but she still can't crack 300k, overall, I think people only use her singles, of course, the new album will scan the usual 1 million like most faves do, only a few hit 2 million (like Beyonce and Taylor).
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Originally posted by idkher
Katy is a singles artist. Rihanna on the other hand is coming for 400k with R8
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Ohh LordT.
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Member Since: 1/2/2014
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Beyoncé didn't have a deal with Target... They rejected to sell ha album.
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Originally posted by TKO
Funny you tried to come after Katy when she has bigger debut week, bigger tour, and her albums are all 1.5M+ sellers
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Didn't Katy Hudson barely sell 200 copies? Take a seat
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Member Since: 8/30/2010
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simply, they're not respected as 'artist'.
that's why people don't want spend 15$ on their album.
don't act like it's not a big deal when their lable expect 400~500k numbers before releases. lol
both are A.big establish act B.had success previous era C.huge 150m airplay lead single.
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They're not front-loaded 
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Originally posted by goldsoundz
Beyonce had the surprise release (very effective), but also massive deals with iTunes and Target.
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She didn't have a deal with Target and tbh the album could have tanked with no singles and no album specific promotion heading up to the album release.
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Originally posted by sadnews
simply, they're not respected as 'artist'.
that's why people don't want spend 15$ on their album.
don't act like it's not a big deal when their lable expect 400~500k numbers before releases. lol
both are A.big establish act B.had success previous era C.huge 150m airplay lead single.
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This would make sense if they didn't end up selling millions of copies after release. So Bey's ST sold around the same with rih's last release, so people don't respect them both, no?
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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They are simply dependant on hit singles --> dependent on hit producers and good marketing.
If Katy couldn't even pull 300k with Roar and all that promo  I just can't. If she dumps Dr Luke/Max etc. there'll be no Katy.
Gaga on the other hand opened with 1.5M+ WW (without the 400k ) with her riskiest album release - Born This Way and after having BTW and Judas controversy that "turned off" people.
Rihanna ... if she had Katy's promo she'd hit 300k easily, but still. Rihanna is more established however. People would still buy her album even if its full of urban songs, but it will struggle to top ARTPOP's sales WW. Whereas Katy ... nope. She doesn't even have 1 hit that is remotely risky or different from what's trendy and acceptable on radio. Not even one. Even her album tracks (for the most part) are generic...
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Originally posted by lonnie
Didn't Katy Hudson barely sell 200 copies? Take a seat
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Wow that was a good one
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Originally posted by Mariano
They are simply dependant on hit singles --> dependent on hit producers and good marketing.
If Katy couldn't even pull 300k with Roar and all that promo I just can't. If she dumps Dr Luke/Max etc. there'll be no Katy.
Gaga on the other hand opened with 1.5M+ WW (without the 400k ) with her riskiest album release - Born This Way and after having BTW and Judas controversy that "turned off" people.
Rihanna ... if she had Katy's promo she'd hit 300k easily, but still. Rihanna is more established however. People would still buy her album even if its full of urban songs, but it will struggle to top ARTPOP's sales WW. Whereas Katy ... nope. She doesn't even have 1 hit that is remotely risky or different from what's trendy and acceptable on radio. Not even one. Even her album tracks (for the most part) are generic... |
Still bitter about Roar and Prism outselling Applause and Artpop? Get over it.
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Originally posted by TKO
Wow that was a good one
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Anytime bae
And next time you should add that the only reason Katy had a bigger tour was because she had 50+ more dates or that she has 2 times as much promo for each era rih has
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Originally posted by lonnie
Anytime bae
And next time you should add that the only reason Katy had a bigger tour was because she had 50+ more dates or that she has 2 times as much promo for each era rih has
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Blame your lazy fave bae
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Member Since: 1/2/2014
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Originally posted by TKO
Blame your lazy fave bae
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I do
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Originally posted by TKO
Still bitter about Roar and Prism outselling Applause and Artpop? Get over it.
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Roar and PRISM didn't outsell ****. Gaga's been there done that. Lady Gaga "undersold". Lady Gaga flopped on her own, Katy has nothing to do with anything.. Don't use Gaga to make Katy look bigger.
Katy's team was smart enough to go against Gaga when she was the weakest. Gaga would've sold similar numbers no matter if she released with Katy or not. And if Katy went through everything that Gaga had to, Katy would be NON existent atm.
Because in the end of the day 27M > 14M
125M > 115M
400M > 60M
250M > 110M
And I am pretty sure you know what these numbers mean.
Just like how 1 big era don't make you the biggest, one underperforming era don't mean you're done.
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Member Since: 10/12/2002
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Originally posted by goldsoundz
Let's be real: recent albums with ~1 million plus debuts were bolstered by HUGE endorsement deals that were extremely transparent. Timberlake had Budweiser, Target, and Clear Channel. Beyonce had the surprise release (very effective), but also massive deals with iTunes and Target. Swift had Clear Channel, American Express, iTunes, Target, country fans, and Coke. Swift gave her fans incentive to buy multiple copies. They all saturated the entire market for at least a month. Cobain rolled in his grave every time.
Katy's tour was sponsored by Chase Bank. I don't know about Rihanna. Their most recent releases definitely weren't shoved down people's throats from a marketing perspective, though.
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You mean Target, the second biggest music retailer that refused to sell her album? Yeah, BEYONCE still isn't on their shelves.
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Originally posted by Mariano
Roar and PRISM didn't outsell ****. Gaga's been there done that. Lady Gaga "undersold". Lady Gaga flopped on her own, Katy has nothing to do with anything.. Don't use Gaga to make Katy look bigger.
Katy's team was smart enough to go against Gaga when she was the weakest. Gaga would've sold similar numbers no matter if she released with Katy or not. And if Katy went through everything that Gaga had to, Katy would be NON existent atm.
Because in the end of the day 27M > 14M
125M > 115M
400M > 60M
250M > 110M
And I am pretty sure you know what these numbers mean.
Just like how 1 big era don't make you the biggest, one underperforming era don't mean you're done.
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This isn't about your fave. But longevity > a bigger peak.
At least Katy can sell 1.5M+ with her 3 albums, last Gaga album sold less than 1m in US and 2m WW. That's sad for an artist who was supposed to be the biggest popstar four years ago.
And you need to try harder, Kes$ha's last album had 11 songs produced by Dr Luke and Max Martin and sold 300k.
PRISM has 7 songs produced by Dr.Luke and sold 1.5m.
Good luck.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Hai Rihanna a singles artist? when her last 2 albums outsold Beyonce's last two albums?
Just because she sold more singles as well doesn't mean her albums are not impressive nonetheless.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by TKO
This isn't about your fave. But longevity > a bigger peak.
At least Katy can sell 1.5M+ with her 3 albums, last Gaga album sold less than 1m in US and 2m WW. That's sad for an artist who was supposed to be the biggest popstar four years ago.
And you need to try harder, Kes$ha's last album had 11 songs produced by Dr Luke and Max Martin and sold 300k.
PRISM has 7 songs produced by Dr.Luke and sold 1.5m.
Good luck.
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I am talking about Katy being dependent on Dr Luke/Max etc. Kesha has nothing to do with it. I am perfectly aware that Katy is the bigger star with the bigger team etc.
And Gaga and Katy have absolutely the same longevity with the difference that Katy was a non event in 2008, 2009 and first half of 2010 until Cali Girls came out. Whereas Gaga's been smashing your fave in a ratio 10000:1 in 2009, 2010, 2011 and 2012. And 2013 is the first time Katy is doing better and it's not that Katy OUTDID Gaga. Gaga just underperformed majorly.
You need to learn math. Both started in 2008 and both are still active. However one of the 2 is twice more successful overall, whereas the other one is currently more popular.
Their longevity is the same
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