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Discussion: Europeans of colour, how is Europe treating you?
Member Since: 10/19/2011
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Originally posted by GreasyBruce
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Spanish people are extremely racist
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There's this thing in Spain.. they hate it when you talk English there. at least that's what they say, I've not had any problems, but I've only been there for a few days on vacation and spent most of my time with some cool gays and girls I met, so my personal (albeit short and brief) experience was pleasant. But yes, I've heard they can be very racist..
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Member Since: 4/27/2011
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Originally posted by Luzianne
My mistake. I thought you were european.
I can find many examples of it being disproportionally more focused on black folks, at least in the south (where I'm from). History plays a huge role in this whole issue. Socioeconomic factors too. It takes a village to raise a child. Michael Brown (and those like him) didn't exactly come from paradise, even if it is the USA. Heck, for all we know there are many more cases that happen in Ferguson alone that simply don't get as much attention. If it seems like black folks always make it about race, there's a reason for it.
I really don't even feel the need to go into that much detail about it since most people here already know anyway. Things are changing. But scars from the past still linger. Until true equality is achieved (if ever in the nation), these kinds of incidents are going to be likely to trigger these outcries. It's only been 50 years since legal segregation 'ended.' Scars from these things don't go away overnight. How ironic that the USA fought the holocaust yet at the SAME TIME still oppressed its own citizens.
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Well said. 
And that bold. You better preach 
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Member Since: 6/21/2012
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My sister (she is Turkish) is white, pale and has red hair. We lived in Italy for one year and whenever people found out that she was Turkish they were all like "Are you really Turkish? Wow, I can't believe it. But you don't look Turkish AT ALL!" And they said this like it's a very good thing and her "being white even though she's Turkish" is something to be proud of. 
Like bitch, Turkish people are very diverse, we have millions of people with really pale skin, blue/green eyes etc. Stop being so ignorant and stop implying that being white >>> being colored
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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I see a small bit of racism against East-Asians, and a lot of racism against Arabs and especially North Africans. There's also Zwarte Piet. not meant to be racist, but tge ways people defend it is extremely racist. we have a politician who wants to make blackface amust for this event..
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in Croatia there are like 98% white people  so they discriminate verbally other people's colours, not in their faces (but there are so rare situtations with ignorant idiots) because they've never seen a black or asian person before, and when they do see them, they act like they see Avril Lavigne and start fangirling over the person and asking to take a picture with him/her
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Member Since: 4/6/2014
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I think for a lot of the people it's simply stupidity, as I said I am Polish and my daughter has a Turkish father.
She is stereotypical Turkish, really dark eyes, olivecoloured tanned skin, dark hair where as I am light eyed and have a "slavic" tan.
People that we get to know, especially the women, always try to figure out through semi subtle questions why it is my daughter looks much different from me. But the most stupid thing was actually with a woman that I used to talk with, sitting together at a party of a mutual friend of ours and the subject of kids came up where she told me that her son was doing great but wasn't happy of the fact that he's so dark looking while being Dutch, with his light tan and brown hair and eyes cause he could be mistaken for a Turk.
You can imagine my face going
And I stood up to just leave cause I was about to go OFF.
Or when my best friends husband is going off at her birthday because of those Eastern Europeans that are taking our jobs.
Like..... You can't cure ignorance and a lot of those people will NOT change their minds no matter how hard you slap the facts in their face.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by wanderlust
There's this thing in Spain.. they hate it when you talk English there. at least that's what they say, I've not had any problems, but I've only been there for a few days on vacation and spent most of my time with some cool gays and girls I met, so my personal (albeit short and brief) experience was pleasant. But yes, I've heard they can be very racist..
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In the Netherlands it's the exact opposite. A native will start talking in English the moment he/she notices the other person struggles with Dutch or is a foreigner.
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I am colored and a well travelled person and never had any issue when it comes to my race in Europe, even tho my city is like 98% whites and me only being the only colored person in most of the schools i attended.
However when I went to the US i was gonna get kicked from a restaurant because they thought I was arab, you can go to my blogs to know my story
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by GypsyLife
I think for a lot of the people it's simply stupidity, as I said I am Polish and my daughter has a Turkish father.
She is stereotypical Turkish, really dark eyes, olivecoloured tanned skin, dark hair where as I am light eyed and have a "slavic" tan.
People that we get to know, especially the women, always try to figure out through semi subtle questions why it is my daughter looks much different from me. But the most stupid thing was actually with a woman that I used to talk with, sitting together at a party of a mutual friend of ours and the subject of kids came up where she told me that her son was doing great but wasn't happy of the fact that he's so dark looking while being Dutch, with his light tan and brown hair and eyes cause he could be mistaken for a Turk.
You can imagine my face going
And I stood up to just leave cause I was about to go OFF.
Or when my best friends husband is going off at her birthday because of those Eastern Europeans that are taking our jobs.
Like..... You can't cure ignorance and a lot of those people will NOT change their minds no matter how hard you slap the facts in their face. |
Only the uneducated people's jobs (cleaner, agriculture small things, etc) are being taken. For everybody else it's only profitable (more consumers).
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I knew some Irish who got lost in Ingushetia but everything turned out okay. Personally I would not travel there.
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Member Since: 4/6/2014
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Originally posted by Last Boy on Earth
I am colored and a well travelled person and never had any issue when it comes to my race in Europe, even tho my city is like 98% whites and me only being the only colored person in most of the schools i attended.
However when I went to the US i was gonna get kicked from a restaurant because they thought I was arab, you can go to my blogs to know my story
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I don't think this kinda thing would ever happen in Europe
But you have those 98% white towns here too, in the south of Netherlands. At the last school my daughter was the only one that had a tan, the rest were all white white.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Sparkly
I guess it depends on where you live. I live in Austria and a lot of them are very judgemental and don't like anyone who isn't austrian. There's a lot of oppression and discrimination going on here still imo, i've experienced it plenty of times before and I see people being opressed a lot too.
And i'm white.
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Well, I was too lazy to explain my thoughts, but basically, this.
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Member Since: 3/6/2014
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Originally posted by Benjamin
Istanbul isn't the capital?!?!
.. Anatolia is a pretty name though, y'all should dump Turkey and adopt that one officially. Much nicer.
Having a Ministry for EU affairs would happen regardless of if you were trying to join or not though, the UK has Ministers for Europe, The Middle East, America, etc. Just easier to have one department responsible for that area. |
Ankara is our capital but Istanbul (which was Ottoman Empire's capital) is far more popular.
Anatolia is generally used for eastern side of Turkey. I love "Turkey" more tho 
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Member Since: 1/6/2010
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Originally posted by Luzianne
My mistake. I thought you were european.
I can find many examples of it being disproportionally more focused on black folks, at least in the south (where I'm from). History plays a huge role in this whole issue. Socioeconomic factors too. It takes a village to raise a child. Michael Brown (and those like him) didn't exactly come from paradise, even if it is the USA. Heck, for all we know there are many more cases that happen in Ferguson alone that simply don't get as much attention. If it seems like black folks always make it about race, there's a reason for it.
I really don't even feel the need to go into that much detail about it since most people here already know anyway. Things are changing. But scars from the past still linger. Until true equality is achieved (if ever in the nation), these kinds of incidents are going to be likely to trigger these outcries. It's only been 50 years since legal segregation 'ended.' Scars from these things don't go away overnight. How ironic that the USA fought the holocaust yet at the SAME TIME still oppressed its own citizens.
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Yeah I know there is an issue with race issues in America. But not everything that happens to Blacks is about White attacking or been racist towards Blacks. I really think that some of it is blown way out of proportion and race cards are lifted. Even some of my Blacks co-worker told me that they don't think that what happened in Ferguson was necessary racist. The Police are just so frustrated working on a poor crime infested neighborhood that Police had to deal with so much thugness and ratchet behavior every day. It is not about race problems, it is more about teaching these Cops to be much more Patience in dealing with these crime ridden areas of the USA.
Also are you seriously comparing these Police Brutality or over Frustrated Cops issues to The Holocaust? 
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I'm originally Turkish but I live in the UK. Well, I'd consider my family white (not the Scandinavian type but more like Eastern European white) I'm probably the most tan skinned member of the family however I don't have the typical Turkish look. People always assume I'm French, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese etc. No one has guessed it right yet. And to be honest, I've never experienced discrimination so far because there are so many people of colour here in London. People usually tolerate different nationalities/cultures. But it's more likely for you to see coloured people getting basic/low paid jobs.
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Member Since: 6/12/2011
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Originally posted by Mekitor
Yeah I know there is an issue with race issues in America. But not everything that happens to Blacks is about White attacking or been racist towards Blacks. I really think that some of it is blown way out of proportion and race cards are lifted. Even some of my Blacks co-worker told me that they don't think that what happened in Ferguson was necessary racist. The Police are just so frustrated working on a poor crime infested neighborhood that Police had to deal with so much thugness and ratchet behavior every day. It is not about race problems, it is more about teaching these Cops to be much more Patience in dealing with these crime ridden areas of the USA.
Also are you seriously comparing these Police Brutality or over Frustrated Cops issues to The Holocaust? |
You make a fair point. And about the holocaust, no. I was telling the truth about the USA being a huge hypocrite while it did fight the holocaust. At the same time segregation was still legal. Police back then were LITERALLY in cahoots with the KKK in the south. Even white people who supported black people were more or less ostracized (and targeted). Race gets thrown into the mix because that fear is still there.
And it's only been 2/3 of a century since:
- Any black person could be blamed for any crime they didn't commit; many were and many were executed. Heck, Emmett Till (a child) was brutally slaughtered by grown men and they were acquitted as if nothing happened.
- Segregated schools, buses, bathrooms, restaurants. Black people couldn't touch the 'white fountain,' but white people would let their dogs lick from the 'black fountain.'
- Interracial marriages (or relationships in general) were literally illegal.
- Black people were not allowed in public office, let alone even vote.
- The little girls blown up in the Birmingham church --- This list goes on and on.
I know you know the history, but all of this was pretty much condoned/approved of by the US government while they hypocritically bashed Hitler for his discrimination. Even the army was segregated. After WW2, many black people preferred to stay in Germany because the USA was still so nasty towards black people. Colin Powell has a documentary on it.
Back to Brown, he was not innocent. But these cases become such spectacles because of fear. And because many black people still go through life with this stigma placed on them. It could be NYC's stop and frisk. Or it could simply be being followed around in a store. And just because there are a lot of positive non-racists, that doesn't mean racists aren't still out there and able to get into powerful positions, and have their way. It's going to take time to fix all of it, regardless.
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Member Since: 10/19/2011
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Originally posted by Swine
In the Netherlands it's the exact opposite. A native will start talking in English the moment he/she notices the other person struggles with Dutch or is a foreigner.
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Yeah I know I've noticed that! they're almost being too nice, really. as if to say "Don't worry, we'll completely adjust to your needs and talk in a language YOU are most familiar with, no problem!" Those of the netherlands and belgium (depending where you are though) are usually really fluent in english!
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I'm a white European and I've always wondered this  I'm a child of immigrants myself (Albanian parents that moved to Greece).
Here POC are treated pretty badly. Tons of racism, jokes at their expense and they get the blame for everything bad that happens. Their kids are treated a bit better because they can speak the language and have grown up in the culture. In general, however, I don't see how a person of colour in Greece could ever feel at home. It's too hostile.
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I'm a brazilian and I heard we and basically the whole latin america is treated like sh!t in the US.
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Originally posted by Last Boy on Earth
I am colored and a well travelled person and never had any issue when it comes to my race in Europe, even tho my city is like 98% whites and me only being the only colored person in most of the schools i attended.
However when I went to the US i was gonna get kicked from a restaurant because they thought I was arab, you can go to my blogs to know my story
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There's racism here as well, but rarely does it go as far as people getting kicked out of facilities, not being able to get a job or being seen as 'lesser'.
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