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Celeb News: Kesha Swore Under Oath Dr. Luke Did NOT Sexually Assault Her
Member Since: 8/31/2012
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Originally posted by YouBetterPopBitch
No. In 2003, she was only 16. That's in 2005, the year she was signed by Dr. Luke, that she was 18.
And I wouldn't say Luke's team is "smart" tbh. I find them pretty pathetic, like they're running out so much of ideas that they have to bring some **** from the past.
As of now, there are just allegations, Kesha's claims + some actual facts, Luke's deny...but all I can say is that I find Luke's lawyer very unprofessional, I don't know but all these statements seem so childish to me...
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Originally posted by Giliap
 
And dead @ you not realizing how complex an abuser can be as if calling her names and then sexually abusing her in the same moment is out of character for an abuser. You have no clue what you're talking about and what's worse is that you're impressed by this "legal maneuvering." |
I don't have a side in this, so I am simply marveling at what the unearthing of this evidence has done. It has, metaphorically, trapped Kesha in a corner, and has made her case look unwinnable, staving off other potential witnesses from appearing.
If this were not Kesha vs Luke, I would still say the same thing. This is legal strategy at its finest. Lawyers aren't saints, they are tacticians whose only goal is to win.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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oh
I wonder if Luke wins it how many apologies from ATRLers who called him rapist we'll get
spoiler: none
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Member Since: 5/19/2012
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OMG is this from another lawsuit claiming abuse from Dr. Luke? Was Kesha used as a character witness for him? This is getting very interesting, clearly this isn't the first time Luke has been sued. 
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Member Since: 3/2/2014
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
I don't have a side in this, so I am simply marveling at what the unearthing of this evidence has done. It has, metaphorically, trapped Kesha in a corner, and has made her case look unwinnable, staving off other potential witnesses from appearing.
If this were not Kesha vs Luke, I would still say the same thing. This is legal strategy at its finest. Lawyers aren't saints, they are tacticians whose only goal is to win.
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Yes, you're right on this one.
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Member Since: 8/27/2012
Posts: 6,308
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Originally posted by Jezang Looz
She really could use those other people to come forward. If they do I think the case is pretty much in her favor then.  |
Don't stress, this evidence Luke has "Put forward" doesn't justify anything. There is still so much more to be proved before Kesha loses.
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Member Since: 9/10/2006
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Originally posted by Grumpy Gills
Just like anyone can lie in a lawsuit to get out of a contract, which is what dr. luke's lawyer is gonna built his case around.
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Basically.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Too early to 'take a side,' but I will say that Luke's case is looking more solid from a legal standpoint. That being said, who knows what evidence Kesha's lawyer may have.
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Member Since: 11/16/2011
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Ugh. This all makes Kesha look like a liar on the surface, but deep down it shows that Dr. Luke knew what he was doing the whole time.
Fuming!
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Member Since: 10/5/2011
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Originally posted by VyktorJonas
oh
I wonder if Luke wins it how many apologies from ATRLers who called him rapist we'll get
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it doesnt mean anything if he wins. rapists get off the hook all the time and it doesnt mean they're innocent
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Yeah honestly I kind of wish none of this went public... I like both of their work, it's such a shame that it's come down to this. Really disappointed I'm so nervous for the outcome too.
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Member Since: 4/6/2014
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Kesha shouldn't have lied under oath. 
It only makes her case from a legal standpoint look flimsy.
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Member Since: 8/27/2012
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Originally posted by jonasha
Kesha shouldn't have lied under oath.
It only makes her case from a legal standpoint look flimsy. |
Stay positive!
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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We don't owe Luke no damn apology if he wins 
Even if he did win, that doesn't mean that he isn't a rapist
The logic
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Member Since: 11/6/2009
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She was 23 years old and hit with a $14 million dollar lawsuit months after getting a #1 song and album and becoming a superstar overnight... I would probably commit perjury too
From management that was suing her in 2011: “The judge denied all their motions, and now we’re going forward. We’re going to have our day in court,” he continued. “And we’re going to prove that Dr. Luke induced her to breach the contract. She had no right to do so, and we’re gonna get damages from her.”
If anything this helps prove others believed he had control over her...
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Member Since: 3/22/2012
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Originally posted by RihannaRTT
He is until the jury rules otherwise.
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No, honey. No. He's considered to be innocent by the US judicial system, but that doesn't mean he actually is innocent, and even an acquittal doesn't make him actually innocent beyond the judicial system if he committed the crimes. Let's make sure we all know that very well.
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Member Since: 8/31/2012
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Originally posted by Hustle.
She was 23 years old and hit with a $14 million dollar lawsuit months after getting a #1 song and album and becoming a superstar overnight... I would probably commit perjury too
From management that was suing her in 2011: “The judge denied all their motions, and now we’re going forward. We’re going to have our day in court,” he continued. “And we’re going to prove that Dr. Luke induced her to breach the contract. She had no right to do so, and we’re gonna get damages from her.”
If anything this helps prove others believed he had control over her...
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^^ If Kesha's lawyer argues that, it will just make her look like an opportunistic liar who lied so that she didn't have to pay her management what they were due. And she will get in trouble for perjury, which brings us back to the whole credibility thing. For a lot of people, once a liar...always...
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If I were Kesha, I would settle this out of court. Drop the suit, so long as Luke drops his too, and they part ways.
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Member Since: 3/2/2014
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The deposition was taken in connection with a $14 million lawsuit filed by Kesha's former New York-based management company DAS Communications.
The company claimed Kesha broke her contract when she dumped them in 2008 — and that Dr. Luke "induced, intimidated and convinced" her to cut ties with DAS.
Asked during the 2011 examination if Dr. Luke ever gave her cocaine or other illicit drugs, Kesha said he never fed her coke but that she wasn't sure about other substances.
"Did Dr. Luke ever give you a roofie?" a DAS lawyer asked Kesha.
"No," she replied.
"Did you ever tell your mother that you woke up in a hotel room in Gottwald's bed and you don't recall what happened that night?" the lawyer asked next.
"I don't remember," Kesha said.
The lawyer also asked about a flight that Kesha once took with Dr. Luke.
"If someone testified that you were making out with Gottwald on a cross-country trip with Gottwald, would that be a lie, on a plane?" the lawyer asked during the 2011 deposition.
"No," Kesha replied.
In her lawsuit filed last week, Kesha claimed Dr. Luke once "forced" her to snort an illicit drug before a flight and then "continuously forced himself" on her.
The singer said during the 2011 deposition that she had slept in the same bed with Dr. Luke but that they did not have an "intimate" relationship.
After the deposition was unsealed, Geragos said he made it clear in Kesha's new lawsuit that the singer had been threatened into submission.
The lawsuit claimed Dr. Luke took Kesha "down to the beach alone" to have a talk after the alleged rape and threatened that if she ever mentioned it to anyone, "he would shut her career down" and go after her family.
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This proves Kesha's claims don't come from nowhere. Back in 2011, she was asked these questions. He was threatening her, so she lied to protect him. Nothing more. For me, it makes Kesha's lawuit even more credible tbh.
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Member Since: 1/3/2014
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I feel for Kesha. She needs to prepare for Dr. Luke's lawyer to ****-shame her and pull every other tactic they have to make her look less than victim.
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Member Since: 2/13/2012
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TikiMiss. It's so ****ing blatant that Kesha tried to settle this outside of court. You think she wanted it to blow up into this? NO logic.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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"Did you ever tell your mother that you woke up in a hotel room in Gottwald's bed and you don't recall what happened that night?" the lawyer asked next.
"I don't remember," Kesha said.
The lawyer also asked about a flight that Kesha once took with Dr. Luke.
"If someone testified that you were making out with Gottwald on a cross-country trip with Gottwald, would that be a lie, on a plane?" the lawyer asked during the 2011 deposition.
"No," Kesha replied.
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The fact that she was asked these questions back in 2011, about these very specific incidents that she is now suing Luke for....it makes her case look more credible in a way. She was threatened to not say anything, and she was still terrified at that point.
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