[JustActinUP]

Originally posted by Dollas n Diamonds

beyonce's entire brand is built on female empowerment she is to that like what gaga is to gay rights



-um, alright
-only one?
- didn't she add that to here tour gross tho? not quite selfless but anyway

No.All the proceedings from the chime for change concerts went to the Chime for change charity. Get your facts right.

[jj99]

Originally posted by qweenmiley

That's not feminism, feminism about women being superior to men or seeing them as competition. It's a dying movement that does more harm then good.
Men and women do have the same opportunities, in fact women are afforded more opportunities then men I now thanks to the toxic third wave feminist movement.

SMH. I'll pray for you If that's what you truly think.

[Shigo]

She isnt lying. Why are yall so mad? Im glad Emma spoke up about this.

[Iman]

Originally posted by qweenmiley

That's not feminism, feminism about women being superior to men or seeing them as competition. It's a dying movement that does more harm then good.
Men and women do have the same opportunities, in fact women are afforded more opportunities then men I now thanks to the toxic third wave feminist movement.

and this is why feminism is needed

[konaa]

Originally posted by JustActinUP

How can that be a valid point, when anthems like Independent woman and bills, bills, bills existed 10yrs+ before tumblr!

Oh no, sis. Didn't you hear? Bills Bills Bills is anti-feminist!

[6_INCH_HEELS]

Originally posted by Shigo

She isnt lying. Why are yall so mad? Im glad Emma spoke up about this.

Can you explain in your own words why you agree with her? No one is mad. The only people coming up with intellectual responses are the Hive, you know, the alleged dumbest fanbase on here.

[Dollas n Diamonds]

Originally posted by AHemsworth

Her brand is built around what she is and what she stands for. Would it be more acceptable if Bey were a poor and unsuccessful feminist? Would that make her cause and beliefs more believable to the ignorant and misinformed?

isn't that what this entire thread (and the other one) is about? how privileged people arent allowed to speak on things?

seems the majority of the hive would agree

Originally posted by JustActinUP

No.All the proceedings from the chime for change concerts went to the Chime for change charity. Get your facts right.

the number not the actual money

[Bey'Knight]

Originally posted by Dollas n Diamonds

beyonce's entire brand is built on female empowerment she is to that like what gaga is to gay rights



-um, alright
-only one?
- didn't she add that to here tour gross tho? not quite selfless but anyway

You're just nitpicking now n it makes u look silly. I've proven u wrong so we're done here!!

[Ressti]

Originally posted by Bey'Knight

Thanks for bringing more to the table than the deadbeat atrl classic "she didnt lie" followed by a corny smiley.

While i get where u are comin from but i think what you're omitting is the fact that women/feminists are complex textured creatures. A woman does not have to put on the strong independent front all the time. They can be insecure (pretty hurts)
Angry (bow down)
Sexual (partition)
Naughty (blow)
Nurturing (blue) etc

Her role in Partition video was a bored wife envisioning a sexual fantasy with her husband and it's fine for women to embrace their sexuality too as the aptly placed speech at the end of the song implies

Very important point. Some couples get stuck in dull marriages/relationships. I'm sure Bey and Jay go through dry spells. This video reflects that and is basically Bey fantasizing about what she wants in those moments. It can be especially difficult for a woman in her prime to feel like she's not attractive to her partner. You want to feel wanted.

And she shared this fantasy with the world, which is very brave because it's something she knew she would get criticized for. Married women with children are suppose to be more conservative.

It's funny how women are suppose to act chaste before and after getting married.

BEYONCÉ is not only a feminist album, it's also extremely personal.

[konaa]

Originally posted by Dollas n Diamonds

isn't that what this entire thread (and the other one) is about? how privileged people arent allowed to speak on things?

seems the majority of the hive would agree

Privileged people can speak on any and everything they want, so long as they don't erase men of color and women of color, trans individuals, and everyone in between that isn't a straight white rich able bodied male from the conversation.

[Goombario]

the same three stans answering at least two post in everypage and they are not pressed

[6_INCH_HEELS]

Originally posted by Dollas n Diamonds

isn't that what this entire thread (and the other one) is about? how privileged people arent allowed to speak on things?

seems the majority of the hive would agree

You are lost. And clearly have NO idea what the discussion has been about. It seems you just ran in here to throw out the most simple, useless, unguided, and misinformed comments about who Bey is and what she does. This thread is about the misinformed opinions on what feminism is and what a feminist should be. And the hive are the only ones who have been able to give a intellectual response as to why we disagree with Emma's take on Bey's feminism, meanwhile others continue to skate around the issues brought to light by simply stating "the hive is pressed."

The Hive agrees that most of the posters in here know nothing, despite what their overly arrogrant attitudes display to make us assume they know the most.

[Vine101]

Emma needs to know that feminism isn't here to regulate what women wear, but to allow them to wear whatever they want.

Beyonce is in ownership of her own sexuality.

[qweenmiley]

Originally posted by PULSE.

Please. Men are paid more than women and that's a fact.

Wage gap does not exist the way feminists think it does. The wage gap is a lifetime earnings gap, broken down by hourly pay to get the figures used when they talk about a wage gap. Like the .77 cents per 1 dollar a man makes. Its a misrepresentation, distortion, and misinterpretation of the data. Women by far pick willingly social and retail jobs that naturally pay less, even for men, while men usually go into STEM jobs or dangerous labor jobs which pay a lot more and require many years in school. There is no discrimination against women, other than grade requirements that men also face. You cannot compare a middle aged single mother that works part time in a diner, taking more days off and sick days and paternity leave and less over time and compare her earnings in a lifetime to a man fresh out of university entering a high paying field who will take less sick vacation days and who will work more hours and overtime and cry about a wage gap.

Here is the facts.

Here is a comprehensive look prepared for the government specifically, 95 pages. Enjoy

http://www.consad.com/content/report...l%20Report.pdf

Here are some by women

http://www.payscale.com/career-news/...aximize-income

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...504707048.html

US Department of Labor

http://social.dol.gov/blog/myth-busting-the-pay-gap/

So while the gap exists (more like lifetime earning gap), is it because you are oppressed for being women by this mysterious patriarchy who gave you everything you need and use to live and enjoy, or are most women either lazy or just dont care about money the way men do?

[King B]

Originally posted by AHemsworth

Can you explain in your own words why you agree with her? No one is mad. The only people coming up with intellectual responses are the Hive, you know, the alleged dumbest fanbase on here.

You know that poster can't come up with an explination for his post.

[Bey'Knight]

Originally posted by Ressti

Very important point. Some couples get stuck in dull marriages/relationships. I'm sure Bey and Jay go through dry spells. This video reflects that and is basically Bey fantasizing about what she wants in those moments. It can be especially difficult for a woman in her prime to feel like she's not attractive to her partner. You want to feel wanted.

And she shared this fantasy with the world, which is very brave because it's something she knew she would get criticized for. Married women with children are suppose to be more conservative.

It's funny how women are suppose to act chaste before and after getting married.

BEYONCÉ is not only a feminist album, it's also extremely personal.

She said in one of those "self-titled" videos that when she recorded Partition, nothing of the sort was goin on in their marriage at that time. It was recorded in the Hamptons in summer 2012 when Blue would've only been a couple of months old at that period.

What's ironic is that i think motherhood is actually the reason Bey became so in tune with her sexuality. She was never not in control of her physicality prior to pregnancy. Its one thing to work out to stay in shape. It's a whole other thing to work to get your body back.

[RedRed]

I like that ATRL is actually having a good debate about these kinds of topic once in a while.
As much as I like Emma, I have to disagree with her trying to prove her point by trying to somehow make Beyonce's take on feminism as degrading and what not.

[qweenmiley]

Originally posted by Iman

and this is why feminism is needed

Feminism is needed because I have a different opinion than you and able to back it up with facts and statistics.

Ok. Answer this- What good has third wave feminism done other than y'know spread false information and spread paranoia against men? Fun fact: In some countries like Britain, thanks to feminism, women by law cannot rape men now isn't that rape culture?

[Giliap]

Originally posted by B'Day

The message in Pretty Hurts is what females to do feel pretty, and how society presents this.
This photshopping argument is really a mess. She has like two, and we don't know if she photoshopped them herself. Everything you see is photoshopped. Magazine covers, album covers, single covers, posters. I don't know why some people act like Beyonce is the only person on earth who has uploaded a photoshopped picture. Maybe she's insecure, maybe her team does it for her - or maybe she just wants to. Is it really your problem?

***Flawless remix (the line about elevator gate) is her making fun of the situation, her putting humour into it. And believe me, it's good that she confronted it. Don't lssiten to the song if you don't like it. We have no idea what happened, so we can't say anything really.
So women can't diss other women because of feminism?
Keri Hilson, Keyshia Cole etc have dissed Beyonce and has she said anything? Nicki is FREE to express her anger to any gender she wants. I'm pretty sure men diss each other. Have you ever said anything?

And 'white feminist' mark you said, the Hive is saying this because white feminist are the ones to drag Beyonce. At everything she does. And Emma literally sounds like one of those.
More info:
http://dearwhitefeminists.wordpress.com/

So you want to claim she has ownership of her career (which I believe she does) then say it's not her fault she has photoshopped images, that maybe her "team" did it for her? Like what?

And you're right, every magazine, poster etc is photoshopped but not every celebrity has a song called "Pretty Hurts" either. Plus, it still doesn't make it right. In this discussion, she's relevant to the conversation so yeah, she's being singled out... but this is a conversation about Beyonce.

And it's okay to unleash your anger on someone individually if you feel like it, but not women in general. So your argument is weak right there. You should have just said Nicki was directing it towards a specific group of women because now you yourself sound misogynistic saying it's okay to diss any gender she wants. That's not feminism... but like I said Nicki wasn't being antifeminist either. You need to just clarify or rethink your argument.

While "white feminism" is frustrating, I don't think they single Beyonce out because she's a woman of color tbh, they've criticized white women who are "revealingly sexual" too.

Any argument about Beyonce shouldn't be about her sexuality because she works the **** out of that. She is beautiful and she is allowed to express herself through whatever fashions she chooses. The only thing worth criticizing her for is the whole photoshopping/Pretty Hurts thing. That is a huge contradiction and I think she needs to work on that.

Originally posted by AHemsworth

The only people coming up with intellectual responses are the Hive

No you're not. I've seen nonsense from both sides in this thread.

[JustActinUP]

Originally posted by Dollas n Diamonds

isn't that what this entire thread (and the other one) is about? how privileged people arent allowed to speak on things?

seems the majority of the hive would agree





the number not the actual money

And who the hell died and made you the moral of authority? Like what have you done for the cause? Where are your charitable donations at?!?! Just because Beyoncé doesn't go around announcing all her charitable efforts doesn't mean she hasn't done a lot behind the scenes.