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I would just like to come and state that so far from the C2C era we have the same amount of music videos as the ARTPOP era.
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Originally posted by Lord Gaga
I would just like to come and state that so far from the C2C era we have the same amount of music videos as the ARTPOP era.
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I would just like to come and state that so far from the C2C era we have the same amount of music videos as the ARTPOP era.
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And both of them were released in one month.
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Still so happy C2C is actually happening.
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The whole "she became too gay" thing is ridiculous and borderline homophobic. You think being gay = bad so obviously the general public started hating her? That's what I'm seeing being implied, which is strange because I know none of you are homophobic.  I don't get why you guys are so desperate to explain why she declined in popularity when the fact of the matter is that she simply stopped releasing music that was easy to connect with. Gaga has always been a "gay artist", but she had music that people connected with so no one cared. All it takes is one good song and the public will forget all the gayness and ******** surrounding an artist.
Are you guys forgetting that Madonna smashed critically and commercially with "Confessions"? Yeah, a 47-year-old "gay artist" took the world by storm simply because she put out an amazing record that people connected with. That. Is. All. It. Takes. And whether or not Gaga wants to do that... Well, that's up to her.
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Originally posted by Bang Up
The whole "she became too gay" thing is ridiculous and borderline homophobic. You think being gay = bad so obviously the general public started hating her? That's what I'm seeing being implied, which is strange because I know none of you are homophobic. I don't get why you guys are so desperate to explain why she declined in popularity when the fact of the matter is that she simply stopped releasing music that was easy to connect with. Gaga has always been a "gay artist", but she had music that people connected with so no one cared. All it takes is one good song and the public will forget all the gayness and ******** surrounding an artist.
Are you guys forgetting that Madonna smashed critically and commercially with "Confessions"? Yeah, a 47-year-old "gay artist" took the world by storm simply because she put out an amazing record that people connected with. That. Is. All. It. Takes. And whether or not Gaga wants to do that... Well, that's up to her. |
I'm not saying that gay = bad. I'm saying that Born This Way; which is extraordinarily and intensely gay and political, caused harm to her image that was before an edgy pop girl who had a gay following along with millions of hetero females. Her incessant push to scream about being born this way over and over for 2 years was more than enough "gay" than she'll ever need.
It's annoying because she was a "gay" artist before and didn't have to say it. I don't get why she felt the need to drive the point home endlessly for 2 years. And COADF Madonna did not take the USA by storm. Hung Up did horribly, here. And my concern for Gaga is that the USAs intense, raging homophobia is being underestimated by Gaga and her fans. If she wants to be gay she needs to be much more savvy about it. Yelling about gay rights and being outcasts is not going to ever work here.
I'm not saying she shouldn't be gay. I'm saying she shouldn't continue doing it her way - which is kind of tactless.
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So do we even know if the artRave is being recorded at all or is she going to try and act like the tour never happened along with the app?  I feel like we should have heard something by now if there were concrete plans, especially if she were working with HBO again.
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Being gay didn't harm Gaga. Gaga was no longer mysterious and her quirkiness became annoying. Gaga failed to reinvent herself in a captivating image. During BTW, she relied on controversy and gimmicks to sell music. Everyone else was trying to compete with her, except Adele, who sold her music based on the music (okay and her non-eccentric personality). The real way to shock people during BTW would have been to drop the antics and just promote the music - no matter how gay.
The idea that Gaga's adoration for her gay fans turns people off isn't enough for me. Most straight males aren't going to openly embrace a female pop star anyway. Gaga's image as a whole was just very off putting. She did the most and people were not here for it. Everything people said about Gaga came true: the gimmicks would cause her to fail if she didn't switch it up. Gaga did no such thing, and fell.
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Being gay didn't harm Gaga. Gaga was no longer mysterious and her quirkiness became annoying. Gaga failed to reinvent herself in a captivating image. During BTW, she relied on controversy and gimmicks to sell music. Everyone else was trying to compete with her, except Adele, who sold her music based on the music (okay and her non-eccentric personality). The real way to shock people during BTW would have been to drop the antics and just promote the music - no matter how gay.
The idea that Gaga's adoration for her gay fans turns people off isn't enough for me. Most straight males aren't going to openly embrace a female pop star anyway. Gaga's image as a whole was just very off putting. She did the most and people were not here for it. Everything people said about Gaga came true: the gimmicks would cause her to fail if she didn't switch it up. Gaga did no such thing, and fell.
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What gimmicks, though? If you're a real fan that's been following her long enough, you'd know this really is Gaga's personality. She doesn't dress weird to impress or shock, that's just what she likes to do.
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Her newest Instagram pic.
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Originally posted by Bang Up
The whole "she became too gay" thing is ridiculous and borderline homophobic. You think being gay = bad so obviously the general public started hating her? That's what I'm seeing being implied, which is strange because I know none of you are homophobic. I don't get why you guys are so desperate to explain why she declined in popularity when the fact of the matter is that she simply stopped releasing music that was easy to connect with. Gaga has always been a "gay artist", but she had music that people connected with so no one cared. All it takes is one good song and the public will forget all the gayness and ******** surrounding an artist.
Are you guys forgetting that Madonna smashed critically and commercially with "Confessions"? Yeah, a 47-year-old "gay artist" took the world by storm simply because she put out an amazing record that people connected with. That. Is. All. It. Takes. And whether or not Gaga wants to do that... Well, that's up to her. |
Yup.
Whilst I somewhat agree that being so overtly and outspokenly "gay" will have deducted cool points from the straight guys, I really don't think it's a deal breaker. Like you say - the right music is all it takes.
To further your examples - Cher and Kylie spring to mind. Hell, really any pop girl that's not Rihanna is "gay" or "girly" to like for straight guys, even then you'd get slagged off for listening to her on your iPod.
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I'm not saying that gay = bad. I'm saying that Born This Way; which is extraordinarily and intensely gay and political, caused harm to her image that was before an edgy pop girl who had a gay following along with millions of hetero females. Her incessant push to scream about being born this way over and over for 2 years was more than enough "gay" than she'll ever need.
It's annoying because she was a "gay" artist before and didn't have to say it. I don't get why she felt the need to drive the point home endlessly for 2 years. And COADF Madonna did not take the USA by storm. Hung Up did horribly, here. And my concern for Gaga is that the USAs intense, raging homophobia is being underestimated by Gaga and her fans. If she wants to be gay she needs to be much more savvy about it. Yelling about gay rights and being outcasts is not going to ever work here.
I'm not saying she shouldn't be gay. I'm saying she shouldn't continue doing it her way - which is kind of tactless.
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She obviously felt that she needed to do BTW in the way that she did, though. The whole point was to be outspoken and not skirt around the subject.
While she may have sacrificed some casual listeners who found it all too much and preachy - let's not forget that it did cement her as a gay icon and a leader in the movement. It endeared her to many and further established a fanbase that also did attract new members. It may be cool for the gays to hate on her for it now, but I all but guarantee in future when she's back on top it will be a beneficial foundation and they'll respect her for it.
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Originally posted by Vertigo Stick
Being gay didn't harm Gaga. Gaga was no longer mysterious and her quirkiness became annoying. Gaga failed to reinvent herself in a captivating image. During BTW, she relied on controversy and gimmicks to sell music. Everyone else was trying to compete with her, except Adele, who sold her music based on the music (okay and her non-eccentric personality). The real way to shock people during BTW would have been to drop the antics and just promote the music - no matter how gay.
The idea that Gaga's adoration for her gay fans turns people off isn't enough for me. Most straight males aren't going to openly embrace a female pop star anyway. Gaga's image as a whole was just very off putting. She did the most and people were not here for it. Everything people said about Gaga came true: the gimmicks would cause her to fail if she didn't switch it up. Gaga did no such thing, and fell.
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Whilst her shtick was getting abrasive - I can't imagine the BTW era being pulled off without the heightened personality and dramatic antics. It was so larger than life. It needed that.
Post-BTW is when she should have switched gimmicks to understated.
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What gimmicks, though? If you're a real fan that's been following her long enough, you'd know this really is Gaga's personality. She doesn't dress weird to impress or shock, that's just what she likes to do.
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Gaga is swimming in gimmicks, but gimmicks aren't necessarily bad things. Everyone needs them to give their act an edge. From Adele to Madonna.
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Sorry I've been so inactive. 
I just finished a ban a couple of weeks ago and when I was banned I found another forum I like more so I don't come here too often. 
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Let's take a break from the fat chat and be little managers for a wee minute...
2015
- C2C tour. (Jan)
- Perform C2C medley at Grammys. (Feb)
- Perform Lush Life/Paradise solo at Brits. (Feb)
- High profile collab. (Mar)
- Lead single from #5 debuts. (May)
- Space trip. (Jun)
- Headline Glastonbury. (Jul)
- Debut 2nd single at VMAs. (Aug)
- Album drops week after. (Sep)
- Release 3rd single. (Nov)
I mean, what kind of ideal campaign build?
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Female weight issues have been so condemned by media that now they're like the racists ones, you can't say a word without being judged (  ), Gaga is not fat but there's no denying she has put on a few extra kilos. That's fine by me but don't come and say that this is her healthiest ever, what kinda fallacy? She's not healthier now than for example when she shot G.U.Y. where by the way I think she was in her ideal weight. |
And with this! She doesn't need to loose 15kgs, but just a few.
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OK so I decided to have the Little Monster Awards / Team Jolie Awards part 2 this week but this time I will just come up with the categories and y'all will nominate. The only requirement is that you will need to have at least 25 posts in the Gaga base thread to be eligible for a nomination + sign up as a Team Jolie member in the Angelina base thread. I think that's fair.
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Because it was just too much tbh I know she tried to spread love, acceptance and all these stuffs, but it was way too much. She was always saying "you were born this way", talking about gay and all. I'm proud of what she's done, but I understand why some gay people think she exploited them, which is sad. She's still an important gay icon , so that's good.
Tbh, I feel like the only thing that sucks right now is her image. The way people see her / the way she acts. She just needs to just be cool and it's gonna be okay. That + good music could be a great comeback if she wants to. |
I mean BTW is legendary, no doubt about it. So she will always be the gay and weird singer. But it was cool to like her, now it's not.
So she has to go to the str8s now.
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I don't believe that she will do another btwball  it would be amazing but let's be real here.
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"She spoke of her Fame Monster days. She called herself an 'anorexic and mute shell of a person' under her last management."
https://twitter.com/jamescarrollau/s...59329550811136
That's really sad......I think her VMA 13 body was just the best! 
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also, we've lost the good sis DiaryOfG over his thirst for Colton Haynes and for trying to go against the hive 
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I found this imo BRILLIANT post on popjustice:
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So we're comparing Gaga to the long shadow cast by Beyoncé, are we? Okay, let's do it.
I really think people have forgotten that, aside from still-kind-of-grossly pimping out her baby bump for the VMA's, Beyoncé saw the 4 era die on its arse just a few months in, thanks in no small part to that disastrous lead single. Fierce gays of the online world can convince themselves that Bey has tricked the masses into believing Run The World was a global #1 with her sheer force of will but, let's be real, she simply rammed it down enough throats to make it a fan favourite. Meanwhile, the GP is not checking for it nowadays, just like they weren't in 2011 when it scraped the Top 40, bombed down the chart, eluded Platinum certification and got laughed off radio - back when all these things were actually important to Beyoncé and Beyoncé fans alike. Remember, she was meant to be following up the commercial dominance of the Sasha Fierce era and all of a sudden she was a manager down and throwing another slew of half-baked videos at the wall and the charts, trying to see what would stick. Of course, ultimately, the era represented a pivotal turning point for her musically, artistically and critically, but it would be a foolhardy case of 'hindsight is 20/20' to deny that it was a massive adjustment for Beyoncé herself, as well as her fanbase, at the time.
It's easy to forget, now know BEYONCÉ took the seed planted of 4, cultivated it and used it to eschew traditional releases and all norms of the genre, but back in early 2013, the Hive were primed for traditional slayage. Bops like Grown Woman (Stunted Chorus) and Standing On Rihanna's Cast-Offs were happy to be accepted as long as they could reach the upper echelons of the Hot 100. Magazine covers, HBO specials, Pepsi cans, THE SUPERBOWL; it all suggested a tour de force of promo that would take her fans back to chart stats and Grammy wins and away from their sudden affinity for Metacritic averages. Then, before you could say 'Mods, lock the "12 Roses" thread', 2013 became an extended montage of 'Beyoncé Sings the Ads!' and rumours circulated that entire albums were being scrapped and that label heads were unhappy - this was some Ciara Hilson-level development hell ****. Brand Beyoncé and the hip hop royality power couple it inhabited were rock solid but, as J.Lo will tell you, featuring on the Forbes list and having good hair doesn't make you particularly cool and certainly not especially current where the charts are concerned. 'King Bey' was respected for sure but not particularly relevant to what the 'kids' or 'GP' were looking for. For every Twitpic of her new haircut that broke records, there was an unfortunate meme of unflattering Superbowl photos or the widespread panning of I Been On. Beyoncé was becoming something a punchline, synonymous with delays, commercials for anything that wasn't available on iTunes and presumed scrambling for hits.
And then, one fateful December night, she flipped the script entirely and took ownership of the charts, the internet and our wallets Then she sat back, watching it all like a boss and making everyone else in the game look, at best, a tad amateur or, at worst, utterly redundant. So, while everything that came before it, going back as far as 2011, certainly helped to favourably shape this ultimately triumphant narrative, there was a long, dark stretch of almost two years where there were no guarantees of a happy ending but copious amounts of concern, hand-wringing and outright criticism from fans.
And that brings us back to Gaga, who could never handle a similarly relative commercial knock-back with the authoritative dignity of Beyoncé Knowles nor could she carry herself with the military-precision PR machine behind her - remember when Bey took heat for lip-syncing the national anthem at Obama's inauguration and subsequently opened her Superbowl press conference with an acapella rendition? Or when one lone story of slow On The Run ticket sales was almost immediately quashed with a press release touting its expected overall gross? Meanwhile, Interscope couldn't even do Gags a solid and tweet "$25m? Lol". However, the fact remains that everyone in this game takes knocks, some more extended or more impactful than others, but there's really no use counting anyone out. Especially when the traditional pop campaign as we've known it seems to be crumbling under the weight of the digital/streaming age. There are simply fewer and fewer 'sure things' or 'safe bets' as to what will take or be successful, which can be seen as both a blessing and a curse as far as our faves are concerned. (If you're Beyoncé, it causes you to not only think outside the box but take a **** inside it, send it to everyone of your peers and force them to receive it will gratitude.)
With all that in mind, it's depressingly short-sighted to count Gaga out due to the various stumbles an fumbles of the last year. Eulogising her demise and doing away with her as a flash in the pan undermines and largely misses the point. Gaga's vastly accelerated trajectory is terrifyingly symptomatic of the internet age in which pop currently resides and where she made her name to begin with. It takes less time than ever to rabidly consume, idolise, over-analyse and then often pick apart an act before the release year is out (just ask Miley...). While things may have fallen by the wayside for her far more quickly than expected - she had a straight run of about 5 years, all in all - it seems pertinent to remember that, within that short timespan, it took less than 12 months from the release of her debut single for the name LADY GAGA to go from being that of a completely unknown "Euro dance act" to penetrating, influencing and informing pop culture more startlingly and undeniably than any popstar managed since Britney over a decade beforehand.
With that in mind, it's only fitting for Gaga that the latter portion of the age-old 'meteoric rise'>'subsequent fall'>'triumphant rebirth' narrative should come in equally compacted space of time. Obviously it's not a foregone conclusion, and the power lies in the frustrating unsteady hands of Gaga herself, but it's every bit as likely as the ultimate demise into obscurity that certain vultures in here have been forecasting. We must remember that a lot can change in 12 months; just ask Jingleoncé and the Beyhive she had left dying of thirst this time last year...
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http://www.popjustice.com/forum/thre...=1#post3297409
This no shade to Beyonce or anything they were just talking how Beyonce managed to get on top while Gaga well.....
So do you agree? 
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Sorry I've been so inactive.
I just finished a ban a couple of weeks ago and when I was banned I found another forum I like more so I don't come here too often. |
Aw, sorry to hear that. Glad you still come here to check in though. Always kinda thought you were sorta iconic tbh - koons ball and such. Have fun!
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OK so I decided to have the Little Monster Awards / Team Jolie Awards part 2 this week but this time I will just come up with the categories and y'all will nominate. The only requirement is that you will need to have at least 25 posts in the Gaga base thread to be eligible for a nomination + sign up as a Team Jolie member in the Angelina base thread. I think that's fair.
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This is acceptable.
Is it true? Is DiaryofG really banned? One of my favorite Monsters.
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Is it true? Is DiaryofG really banned? One of my favorite Monsters. |
It's really true
And he'll be banned even one week after his Artrave show so that's annoying
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The key to staying alive in the biz is by keeping buzz around you. Even if the general masses weren't checking up on her personally, the media was and was bowing to Beyoncé's ever whim which kept her very fresh and alive in their minds.
Gaga has several issues that'll take a while to fix (that is, if she does want to fix): coming back into the public limelight after 2011 despite breaking through for one more single in 2013, easing the hatred that people had due to the frustration and confusion of her antics and in-your-face promotion of Born This Way, and going towards new sounds and experimenting as pure dance-pop is likely gone for a few more years. The fact that people and news publications are checking in for Cheek to Cheek is good news. I think everyone wants Gaga to succeed because they know how talented and innovative she can be, she just doesn't always show it.
It's important to remember that Gaga really hasn't, like, completely faded. Lol. Some of you always get so wound up when it really isn't that big of a deal. She's still alive, people still check on her, her tour is going great and Artpop did decently if not okay. There is more to the world than what meets the stan. 
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