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Poll: Bigger in US: Taylor or Beyonce?
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Taylor Swift
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65.78% |
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Beyonce
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29.78% |
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They're about equal
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Originally posted by Lethal
That's not how math works. Bey with 5 albums + 40 singles in 11 years vs Taylor with 5 albums + 33 singles in 8 years.
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Taylor has four albums... and half of those singles were singles sent to one format.
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Originally posted by Lethal
That's not how math works. Bey with 5 albums + 40 singles in 11 years vs Taylor with 5 albums + 33 singles in 8 years.
It really is not that hard to understand |
Can you read please? That person added in her DC sales and every soundtrack and live album she's been a part of. I'm sure if we added in everything Taylor has ever released it would put her even further ahead, I mean even her Target-exclusive Christmas EP is platinum.
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Originally posted by Timber
Please! Only 1/4 of Bey's time was in the digital era, which sells songs(records) like hot cakes. Bey only took advantage of that in 1 only 1 era.
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The digital music era blew up in like 2006 so the only album of hers that didn't take advantage of it was DIL. Hmmm the excuses don't change the fact that with less albums Taylor has sold MUCH more than her. Taylor's lowest selling album from 2012 only sold a few hundred thousand less than Beyonce's best selling album which is from 2003 
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Originally posted by Quietly Trek
Taylor can sell out stadiums to their full capacity within minutes in the US without the help of a second artist.
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Yet, Bey is the 3rd highest grossing female tour behind Madonna and Celine Dion. And for folks talking about Taylor getting #1 hits, well she is in her prime or peak, that's usually the goal for artist when they are just in the beginning of their career. Bey is 17yrs into her career and a #1 single isn't her first priority when she is selling albums and has the highest grossing tours of this generation.
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Taylor by a landslide 
The Hive needs to get off their high horse for once 
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Taylor.
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Originally posted by Quietly Trek
Firstly, Michelle Obama has done nothing to achieve the title of First Lady much like all the previous First Ladies haven't. A title given to the spouse of the President means nothing honestly. Using that to somehow distinguish Beyonce isn't going to make her seem impressive. Michelle Obama is a very intelligent woman, and she has many merits of her own, but First Lady is not something she earned or strived for either. I could be friends with the First Children, but what does that actually prove? Nothing.
Oprah is in a league of her own, and Beyonce is not on her level. She is not Oprah's peer. Beyonce can win all the polls she wants, but if you actually believe that she holds more power than political giants like Hilary Clinton you are greatly mistaken. Hilary Clinton could possibly be the first female president of the United States and you think a poll claiming Beyonce is more powerful than her is legitimate?
Beyonce has had time to really cultivate her celebrity. She is culturally bigger than Taylor Swift, but at the end of the day, they are both artists/musicians. That is their primary role, and that is what they are known for. Taylor is far more successful musically than Beyonce. Beyonce is in her 30s. She is not past sales. A legend's selling power never diminishes, so you can never argue that sales no longer apply to her.
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Some of the most powerful women in the world were first ladies. You think Eleanor Roosevelt & Jackie O received their power, impact, and legacy just being who they were. Their "First Lady" title catapulted them to new heights. One can say that Hillary's power is associated with being First Lady. Michelle's power & influence as First Lady is huge, and your lack of recognition in that is worrisome.
Secondly, you mention music. Do you really believe that Taylor musical legacy or impact even touches Beyonce? You mention sales, but Flo Rida and Pitbull have sold more iTunes singles than Beyonce and yet they are ridiculed on this site (If they were females, it probably would be different).
Aretha Franklin is arguably the most influential female artist of all time, and even Pitbull has sold more records than her. Let that sink in for one second.
"Sales" are not the only factor in making a legend. Beyonce has Taylor beat on all other fronts and her music legacy & impact alone trumps Taylor in every way. Beyonce is a living legend while Taylor has a career that seems like a second-tier Shania Twain (no shade - just being honest). What music impact is Taylor honestly known for? She is known mostly for who she dates and the Kanye incident, which defended Beyoncé.
So - yes they are music artists first and Beyonce has presented herself into a music sphere that is so high that it has allowed her to enter into a cultural sphere that puts her in the same category as Michelle Obama & Oprah, yes Oprah.
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Originally posted by 2AM
Taylor is easily 3x bigger in the US.  |
Then why didn't she sell 3x more with her latest albums? Explain?
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Originally posted by Beyy
Then why didn't she sell 3x more with her latest albums? Explain?
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RED sold 4.1M vs BEYONCE's 2M.
And RED sold like 13M more singles than Beyoncé.
Like, this shouldn't even be an argument.
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Originally posted by 2AM
So Taylor has sold twenty million more singles and six million more albums. Not to mention she's a much bigger touring force in the US.
What is there to argue here?
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Beyoncé is bigger
She has had more big hits. Her career is bigger. Her voice is bigger. Her performance qualities is bigger. Her star power is bigger. She's more respected.
Who cares about those sales when actually nobody even knows about those? Beyoncé's clearly more famous, more talked about, etc.
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Originally posted by 2AM
RED sold 4.1M vs BEYONCE's 2M.
And RED sold like 13M more singles than Beyoncé.
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4.1M is not 3x as much as 2M and since singles are released to make people buy the entire album, those 13M didn't have as much as effect on her album sales as much as they could've done, like Beyoncé. Queen of No Radio-Friendly-Singles Needed To Sell An Album 
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Originally posted by idkher
Can you read please? That person added in her DC sales and every soundtrack and live album she's been a part of. I'm sure if we added in everything Taylor has ever released it would put her even further ahead, I mean even her Target-exclusive Christmas EP is platinum.
The digital music era blew up in like 2006 so the only album of hers that didn't take advantage of it was DIL. Hmmm the excuses don't change the fact that with less albums Taylor has sold MUCH more than her. Taylor's lowest selling album from 2012 only sold a few hundred thousand less than Beyonce's best selling album which is from 2003 |
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Lets not act like if Beyonce released her album normally her single sales or album sales would've been infinitely bigger 
Fact is Taylor sells more and is bigger musically in the US but Beyonce is the bigger celebrity and more legendary
Taylor: albums, singles, solo tour >>>>
Beyonce: impact, respect >>>
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Originally posted by simon
Some of the most powerful women in the world were first ladies. You think Eleanor Roosevelt & Jackie O received their power, impact, and legacy just being who they were. Their "First Lady" title catapulted them to new heights. One can say that Hillary's power is associated with being First Lady. Michelle's power & influence as First Lady is huge, and your lack of recognition in that is worrisome.
Secondly, you mention music. Do you really believe that Taylor musical legacy or impact even touches Beyonce? You mention sales, but Flo Rida and Pitbull have sold more iTunes singles than Beyonce and yet they are ridiculed on this site (If they were females, it probably would be different).
Aretha Franklin is arguably the most influential female artist of all time, and even Pitbull has sold more records than her. Let that sink in for one second.
"Sales" are not the only factor in making a legend. Beyonce has Taylor beat on all other fronts and her music legacy & impact alone trumps Taylor in every way. Beyonce is a living legend while Taylor has a career that seems like a second-tier Shania Twain (no shade - just being honest). What music impact is Taylor honestly known for? She is known mostly for who she dates and the Kanye incident, which defended Beyoncé.
So - yes they are music artists first and Beyonce has presented herself into a music sphere that is so high that it has allowed her to enter into a cultural sphere that puts her in the same category as Michelle Obama & Oprah, yes Oprah. |
Again, First Lady isn't a title one earns. It's handed out to every woman who is married to the president. That is the point I was making, and I am completely right in making it. There have been a few impactful First Ladies, but many more have been forgotten.
You are incredibly ignorant if you're going to lump Taylor Swift with Pitbull and Flo Rida, and now I understand why you're clearly trying to downplay Taylor Swift's impact. The truth is that Taylor Swift is far more acclaimed than both those men. Her songwriting is superior to theirs and Beyonce's, which is why the Songwriters Hall of Fame honored her. Can Pitbull and Flo Rida sellout stadiums in the US within minutes? Can Beyonce? Nope. Can Taylor Swift? Yes, easily.
Aretha Franklin is of a different time, and I don't believe she is the most influential female artist of all time. She's a legend, but I believe many have surpassed her. Maybe she holds a special place in R&B and gospel, but music is not limited to two genres. All of that doesn't matter, because Beyoncé is able to sell and her selling power shouldn't decrease dramatically if she is in fact on her way to becoming a legend. Taylor Swift is far above Pitbull in nearly every aspect, so please do not try to ignorantly lump her with him again.
I believe I already stated that Beyoncé is bigger culturally than Taylor Swift, but she is not bigger musically, because she consistently sells more and is acclaimed. Taylor Swift is still young and is cultivating her own legacy. Beyoncé has had roughly 20 years to do this. Taylor hasn't. Taylor's success is far more consistent than Shania's too, so you're wrong.
Once again, Beyoncé is not on the same level as Oprah. You're free to think that, but Oprah is far more influential in nearly every way. Beyoncé is a great performer and celebrity, and the public doesn't see her as more than that.
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If we're talking about their overall solo careers than Beyonce is still ahead of Taylor. Taylor may catch up and even pass Beyonce in the future, who knows? But as of now, Beyonce remains bigger and more successful in the U.S.
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Originally posted by KangBey
Yet, Bey is the 3rd highest grossing female tour behind Madonna and Celine Dion. And for folks talking about Taylor getting #1 hits, well she is in her prime or peak, that's usually the goal for artist when they are just in the beginning of their career. Bey is 17yrs into her career and a #1 single isn't her first priority when she is selling albums and has the highest grossing tours of this generation.
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No, Cher is when you adjust for inflation. Tour gross does not trump tour attendance. Taylor can sellout stadiums in minutes. Literally minutes. That's far more impressive. She keeps her prices affordable for teens. The Red Tour grossed $150 million with only 86 dates. She's only 24. The gross is only going to increase as she gets older. She will surpass Beyoncé.
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Originally posted by Quietly Trek
Again, First Lady isn't a title one earns. It's handed out to every woman who is married to the president. That is the point I was making, and I am completely right in making it. There have been a few impactful First Ladies, but many more have been forgotten.
You are incredibly ignorant if you're going to lump Taylor Swift with Pitbull and Flo Rida, and now I understand why you're clearly trying to downplay Taylor Swift's impact. The truth is that Taylor Swift is far more acclaimed than both those men. Her songwriting is superior to theirs and Beyonce's, which is why the Songwriters Hall of Fame honored her. Can Pitbull and Flo Rida sellout stadiums in the US within minutes? Can Beyonce? Nope. Can Taylor Swift? Yes, easily.
Aretha Franklin is of a different time, and I don't believe she is the most influential female artist of all time. She's a legend, but I believe many have surpassed her. Maybe she holds a special place in R&B and gospel, but music is not limited to two genres. All of that doesn't matter, because Beyoncé is able to sell and her selling power shouldn't decrease dramatically if she is in fact on her way to becoming a legend. Taylor Swift is far above Pitbull in nearly every aspect, so please do not try to ignorantly lump her with him again.
I believe I already stated that Beyoncé is bigger culturally than Taylor Swift, but she is not bigger musically, because she consistently sells more and is acclaimed. Taylor Swift is still young and is cultivating her own legacy. Beyoncé has had roughly 20 years to do this. Taylor hasn't. Taylor's success is far more consistent than Shania's too, so you're wrong.
Once again, Beyoncé is not on the same level as Oprah. You're free to think that, but Oprah is far more influential in nearly every way. Beyoncé is a great performer and celebrity, and the public doesn't see her as more than that.
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The FACT that you think Aretha's influence impacted only R&B & gospel is the reason I can't have intelligent arguments with people sometimes on ATRL. She changed Rock & Roll and her impact and influence is so great that it has been summersed into every genre.
Beyoncé won a Songwriting award in 2001.
I'm not even going to argue with you anymore about the First Lady point because I don't understand what you are trying to say at all.
In conclusion, Beyoncé's musical impact is far greater than Taylor especially when all it takes is for a hit single to top the charts. Beyoncé is beyond that and general public accepts that. Beyoncé can easily sell out stadiums by herself - she just chooses to do arenas because it is better for her fans. Even One Direction can sell out stadiums.
But Beyoncé is a MUSIC legend and Taylor is not. Her music is not that memorable and her music has not had much influence. Her performance skills are decent at best and her music iconography is lacking. She is just a country teen sensation that sells a lot of records.
Can you tell me what she will be known for in the music industry? What music impact has she made? What makes her stand out as a music artist? What has she done that Shania or Faith hasn't done?
Beyonce is well... BEYONCE!
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Originally posted by Quietly Trek
No, Cher is when you adjust for inflation. Tour gross does not trump tour attendance. Taylor can sellout stadiums in minutes. Literally minutes. That's far more impressive. She keeps her prices affordable for teens. The Red Tour grossed $150 million with only 86 dates. She's only 24. The gross is only going to increase as she gets older. She will surpass Beyoncé.
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Nope, the receipts are there and posted, Bey is the 3rd highest grossing female touring artist, you can't spin that to suit your agenda. She will surpass Bey you say, but she hasn't even surpassed Gaga. I'm not even sure if she made the top 5 touring list. And you act as if Bey's touring power will decrease, her touring power increases hugely with each era on a global scale, not just the US. Bey is like Madonna in that regard, so I don't see Taylor surpassing her any time soon, like I mentioned before, she would have to surpass Gaga and Pink first.
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Taylor is"' relevant because of her music, Beyoncé's music is relevant because of her. Not the same level, stop comparing legends to starlets please.
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taylor has bigger sales in the us but isn't a quarter of the star Beyonce is, locally and globally.
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Taylor probably is bigger in the USA. But beyonce is definitely bigger worldwide, Taylor is EXTREMELY local
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