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Poll: Bigger in US: Taylor or Beyonce?
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Taylor Swift
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As much as both bases try to argue how our faves isn't local... now we're fighting to pull out receipts to show how largely local both are 
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Originally posted by simon
As stated, Beyonce is American Royalty.
Beyonce has transcended music and her peers are now the likes of Michelle Obama & Oprah. She just recently won a NY poll as the most powerful woman in NY, even beating Hillary Clinton and the First Lady of NYC.
Taylor just does not have that power and probably never will.
The strastosphere Beyonce has reached is a whole new level, and has surpassed "sales." Her latest album may not have sold as much as "Red," but is clearly more impactful and has even spawned the music industry to potentially create a new global release date on "Friday."
So you guys can have the sales, because Beyonce has surpassed that. I also see that some of you continue to omit DC's accomplishments which adds to Beyonce as a brand and legend.
So to answer the question again.. Beyonce IS bigger than Taylor in the US. |
The results are in and the Lie Detector has determined that no lies have been told.
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Originally posted by Toxicity.
must we ALWAYS try to turn a thread into a racial issue
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i mean, how many times must taylor's success be put down to the fact that she's white?
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Originally posted by Timber
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WOW, so Bey in the middle of her era gets more search than Taylor in her break? Impressive.
http://www.google.com/trends/explore...&geo=US&cmpt=q
They got pretty much the same interest up until self-titled, and we´ll see if that changes within Taylor´s next era
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Originally posted by PrettyHurts
she gets massive radio and sales support because her music is essentially basic pop ear-candy.
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Beyoncé's music had huge radio support without being pop candy. Now she doesn't. What's the excuse?
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Originally posted by KareBear
As much as both bases try to argue how our faves isn't local... now we're fighting to pull out receipts to show how largely local both are |
Wait. 
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14,840,364 * ALBUMS
x4,924,000 * DANGEROUSLY IN LOVE 4X PLATINUM
x3,360,000 * B'DAY 3X PLATINUM
x3,120,000 * I AM... SASHA FIERCE 2X PLATINUM
x2,026,364 * BEYONCÉ 2X PLATINUM
x1,410,000 * 4 PLATINUM
43,379,576 * DIGITAL
x5,430,000 * SINGLE LADIES (PUT A RING ON IT) 4X PLATINUM
x3,580,000 * HALO 2X PLATINUM
x3,350,000 * IRREPLACEABLE 2X PLATINUM
x3,348,000 * TELEPHONE
x3,006,000 * IF I WERE A BOY 2X PLATINUM
x1,959,000 * CRAZY IN LOVE GOLD
x1,825,000 * SWEET DREAMS PLATINUM
x1,669,000 * DRUNK IN LOVE PLATINUM
x1,525,000 * CHECK ON IT GOLD
x1,419,000 * BEAUTIFUL LIAR PLATINUM
x1,164,798 * LOVE ON TOP GOLD
x1,125,000 * DIVA GOLD
x1,094,198 * BEST THING I NEVER HAD PLATINUM
x1,083,000 * RUN THE WORLD (GIRLS) GOLD
xx,717,000 * LISTEN
xx,715,979 * PARTITION
xx,652,000 * DÉJÀ VU GOLD
xx,622,000 * NAUGHTY GIRL GOLD
xx,600,000 * COUNTDOWN GOLD
xx,590,000 * GET ME BODIED
xx,586,000 * RING THE ALARM GOLD
xx,573,000 * BABY BOY GOLD
xx,500,000 * '03 BONNIE & CLYDE GOLD
xx,500,000 * EGO
xx,450,000 * DANCE FOR YOU
xx,436,000 * UPGRADE U
xx,393,000 * JUST STAND UP!
xx,366,000 * LOVE IN THIS CLUB PART II
xx,356,000 * XO
xx,311,000 * VIDEO PHONE
xx,271,000 * UNTIL THE END OF TIME
xx,219,693 * PART II (ON THE RUN)
xx,206,000 * ME, MYSELF AND I
xx,202,000 * AVE MARIA
xx,197,000 * I WAS HERE
xx,194,134 * END OF TIME
xx,194,000 * 1+1
xx,185,000 * BROKEN-HEARTED GIRL
xx,184,000 * AT LAST
xx,183,548 * ***FLAWLESS
xx,169,000 * PARTY
xx,130,000 * DANGEROUSLY IN LOVE 2
xx,100,000 * MINE
xx,100,000 * PRETTY HURTS
xx,x78,482 * PUT IT IN A LOVE SONG
xx,x58,000 * SCHOOLIN' LIFE
xx,x54,080 * BLOW
xx,x50,000 * BLUE
xx,x50,000 * HAUNTED
xx,x50,000 * HEAVEN
xx,x50,000 * I CARE
xx,x50,000 * JEALOUS
xx,x50,000 * NO ANGEL
xx,x50,000 * ROCKET
xx,x50,000 * SUPERPOWER
xx,x50,000 * WHY DON'T YOU LOVE ME
xx,x32,964 * HALO (WITH CHRIS MARTIN)
xx,x25,000 * ALL I COULD DO WAS CRY
xx,x25,000 * FLAWS AND ALL
xx,x25,000 * FREAKUM DRESS
xx,x25,000 * HELLO
xx,x25,000 * I MISS YOU
xx,x25,000 * I'D RATHER GO BLIND
xx,x25,000 * RESENTMENT
xx,x25,000 * SMASH INTO YOU
xx,x25,000 * YES
x * Beyoncé's full total digital track sales must stand around 45–50 million. She has over 40 songs that sell over 1K per week (Jan. 16th, 2014). Her album track sales are good.
x 12,311,756[/i] * MOBILE
x3,500,000 * IRREPLACEABLE 3X PLATINUM
x1,000,000 * BABY BOY PLATINUM
x1,000,000 * CHECK ON IT PLATINUM
x1,000,000 * SINGLE LADIES (PUT A RING ON IT) PLATINUM
xx,750,000 * HALO GOLD
xx,500,000 * BEAUTIFUL LIAR GOLD
xx,500,000 * CRAZY IN LOVE GOLD
xx,500,000 * DANGEROUSLY IN LOVE 2 GOLD
xx,500,000 * DIVA GOLD
xx,500,000 * EGO GOLD
xx,500,000 * IF I WERE A BOY GOLD
xx,500,000 * LOVE IN THIS CLUB PART II GOLD
xx,500,000 * ME, MYSELF AND I GOLD
xx,500,000 * RING THE ALARM GOLD
xx,500,000 * UNTIL THE END OF TIME GOLD
xx,x61,756 * GET ME BODIED
xx,475,000 * PHYSICAL SINGLES
xx,119,000 * ME, MYSELF AND I
xx,x47,000 * CRAZY IN LOVE
xx,x39,295 * BEAUTIFUL LIAR
xx,x30,715 * CHECK ON IT
xx,x25,000 * IRREPLACEABLE
xx,x20,000 * HALO
xx,x10,000 * RING THE ALARM
xx,xx6,000 * BABY BOY
xx,xx1,094 * SINGLE LADIES (PUT A RING ON IT)
* The source for Beyoncé's full total physical single sales is here.
x1,638,154 * VIDEOS
xx,447,446 * THE BEYONCÉ EXPERIENCE LIVE 3X PLATINUM
xx,302,000 * B'DAY ANTHOLOGY VIDEO ALBUM 2X PLATINUM
xx,297,000 * LIVE AT WEMBLEY 2X PLATINUM
xx,222,284 * I AM... WORLD TOUR 2X PLATINUM
xx,163,000 * I AM... YOURS: AN INTIMATE PERFORMANCE AT WYNN LAS VEGAS 2X PLATINUM
xx,152,576 * LIVE AT ROSELAND: ELEMENTS OF 4 PLATINUM + GOLD
xx,x40,000 * LIFE IS BUT A DREAM
xx,x13,848 * THE ULTIMATE PERFORMER
xx,418,000 * LIVE ALBUMS & EPs
xx,197,000 * LIVE AT WEMBLEY
xx,150,000 * ABOVE AND BEYONCÉ: VIDEO COLLECTION & DANCE MIXES
xx,x57,000 * IRREEMPLAZABLE
xx,x10,000 * I AM... WORLD TOUR
xx,xx4,000 * 4: THE REMIX
x2,160,796 * SOUNDTRACKS
x1,483,335 * DREAMGIRLS PLATINUM
xx,500,000 * THE FIGHTING TEMPTATIONS GOLD
xx,177,461 * CADILLAC RECORDS
+30-35M for her ENTIRE career, as Bey is a person not a seperate product so...
105,223,646-110,223,626 records sold in the U.S.
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Let's also not forget RED sold more than BEYONCE and 4 combined.
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So Taylor has sold twenty million more singles and six million more albums. Not to mention she's a much bigger touring force in the US.
What is there to argue here?
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Originally posted by 2AM
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Those singles sales don't add up to 60 million...
Or any number close to that...
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Quote:
Originally posted by Timber
14,840,364 * ALBUMS
x4,924,000 * DANGEROUSLY IN LOVE 4X PLATINUM
x3,360,000 * B'DAY 3X PLATINUM
x3,120,000 * I AM... SASHA FIERCE 2X PLATINUM
x2,026,364 * BEYONCÉ 2X PLATINUM
x1,410,000 * 4 PLATINUM
43,379,576 * DIGITAL
x5,430,000 * SINGLE LADIES (PUT A RING ON IT) 4X PLATINUM
x3,580,000 * HALO 2X PLATINUM
x3,350,000 * IRREPLACEABLE 2X PLATINUM
x3,348,000 * TELEPHONE
x3,006,000 * IF I WERE A BOY 2X PLATINUM
x1,959,000 * CRAZY IN LOVE GOLD
x1,825,000 * SWEET DREAMS PLATINUM
x1,669,000 * DRUNK IN LOVE PLATINUM
x1,525,000 * CHECK ON IT GOLD
x1,419,000 * BEAUTIFUL LIAR PLATINUM
x1,164,798 * LOVE ON TOP GOLD
x1,125,000 * DIVA GOLD
x1,094,198 * BEST THING I NEVER HAD PLATINUM
x1,083,000 * RUN THE WORLD (GIRLS) GOLD
xx,717,000 * LISTEN
xx,715,979 * PARTITION
xx,652,000 * DÉJÀ VU GOLD
xx,622,000 * NAUGHTY GIRL GOLD
xx,600,000 * COUNTDOWN GOLD
xx,590,000 * GET ME BODIED
xx,586,000 * RING THE ALARM GOLD
xx,573,000 * BABY BOY GOLD
xx,500,000 * '03 BONNIE & CLYDE GOLD
xx,500,000 * EGO
xx,450,000 * DANCE FOR YOU
xx,436,000 * UPGRADE U
xx,393,000 * JUST STAND UP!
xx,366,000 * LOVE IN THIS CLUB PART II
xx,356,000 * XO
xx,311,000 * VIDEO PHONE
xx,271,000 * UNTIL THE END OF TIME
xx,219,693 * PART II (ON THE RUN)
xx,206,000 * ME, MYSELF AND I
xx,202,000 * AVE MARIA
xx,197,000 * I WAS HERE
xx,194,134 * END OF TIME
xx,194,000 * 1+1
xx,185,000 * BROKEN-HEARTED GIRL
xx,184,000 * AT LAST
xx,183,548 * ***FLAWLESS
xx,169,000 * PARTY
xx,130,000 * DANGEROUSLY IN LOVE 2
xx,100,000 * MINE
xx,100,000 * PRETTY HURTS
xx,x78,482 * PUT IT IN A LOVE SONG
xx,x58,000 * SCHOOLIN' LIFE
xx,x54,080 * BLOW
xx,x50,000 * BLUE
xx,x50,000 * HAUNTED
xx,x50,000 * HEAVEN
xx,x50,000 * I CARE
xx,x50,000 * JEALOUS
xx,x50,000 * NO ANGEL
xx,x50,000 * ROCKET
xx,x50,000 * SUPERPOWER
xx,x50,000 * WHY DON'T YOU LOVE ME
xx,x32,964 * HALO (WITH CHRIS MARTIN)
xx,x25,000 * ALL I COULD DO WAS CRY
xx,x25,000 * FLAWS AND ALL
xx,x25,000 * FREAKUM DRESS
xx,x25,000 * HELLO
xx,x25,000 * I MISS YOU
xx,x25,000 * I'D RATHER GO BLIND
xx,x25,000 * RESENTMENT
xx,x25,000 * SMASH INTO YOU
xx,x25,000 * YES
x * Beyoncé's full total digital track sales must stand around 45–50 million. She has over 40 songs that sell over 1K per week (Jan. 16th, 2014). Her album track sales are good.
x 12,311,756[/i] * MOBILE
x3,500,000 * IRREPLACEABLE 3X PLATINUM
x1,000,000 * BABY BOY PLATINUM
x1,000,000 * CHECK ON IT PLATINUM
x1,000,000 * SINGLE LADIES (PUT A RING ON IT) PLATINUM
xx,750,000 * HALO GOLD
xx,500,000 * BEAUTIFUL LIAR GOLD
xx,500,000 * CRAZY IN LOVE GOLD
xx,500,000 * DANGEROUSLY IN LOVE 2 GOLD
xx,500,000 * DIVA GOLD
xx,500,000 * EGO GOLD
xx,500,000 * IF I WERE A BOY GOLD
xx,500,000 * LOVE IN THIS CLUB PART II GOLD
xx,500,000 * ME, MYSELF AND I GOLD
xx,500,000 * RING THE ALARM GOLD
xx,500,000 * UNTIL THE END OF TIME GOLD
xx,x61,756 * GET ME BODIED
xx,475,000 * PHYSICAL SINGLES
xx,119,000 * ME, MYSELF AND I
xx,x47,000 * CRAZY IN LOVE
xx,x39,295 * BEAUTIFUL LIAR
xx,x30,715 * CHECK ON IT
xx,x25,000 * IRREPLACEABLE
xx,x20,000 * HALO
xx,x10,000 * RING THE ALARM
xx,xx6,000 * BABY BOY
xx,xx1,094 * SINGLE LADIES (PUT A RING ON IT)
* The source for Beyoncé's full total physical single sales is here.
x1,638,154 * VIDEOS
xx,447,446 * THE BEYONCÉ EXPERIENCE LIVE 3X PLATINUM
xx,302,000 * B'DAY ANTHOLOGY VIDEO ALBUM 2X PLATINUM
xx,297,000 * LIVE AT WEMBLEY 2X PLATINUM
xx,222,284 * I AM... WORLD TOUR 2X PLATINUM
xx,163,000 * I AM... YOURS: AN INTIMATE PERFORMANCE AT WYNN LAS VEGAS 2X PLATINUM
xx,152,576 * LIVE AT ROSELAND: ELEMENTS OF 4 PLATINUM + GOLD
xx,x40,000 * LIFE IS BUT A DREAM
xx,x13,848 * THE ULTIMATE PERFORMER
xx,418,000 * LIVE ALBUMS & EPs
xx,197,000 * LIVE AT WEMBLEY
xx,150,000 * ABOVE AND BEYONCÉ: VIDEO COLLECTION & DANCE MIXES
xx,x57,000 * IRREEMPLAZABLE
xx,x10,000 * I AM... WORLD TOUR
xx,xx4,000 * 4: THE REMIX
x2,160,796 * SOUNDTRACKS
x1,483,335 * DREAMGIRLS PLATINUM
xx,500,000 * THE FIGHTING TEMPTATIONS GOLD
xx,177,461 * CADILLAC RECORDS
+30-35M for her ENTIRE career, as Bey is a person not a seperate product so...
105,223,646-110,223,626 records sold in the U.S.
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With like a thousand singles and 15+ albums (some of them being released during the peak of album sales) she's only 20 million record sales ahead?  Thanks for proving our point! Taylor is by far the biggest female artist in the US in decades!
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Originally posted by simon
As stated, Beyonce is American Royalty.
Beyonce has transcended music and her peers are now the likes of Michelle Obama & Oprah. She just recently won a NY poll as the most powerful woman in NY, even beating Hillary Clinton and the First Lady of NYC.
Taylor just does not have that power and probably never will.
The strastosphere Beyonce has reached is a whole new level, and has surpassed "sales." Her latest album may not have sold as much as "Red," but is clearly more impactful and has even spawned the music industry to potentially create a new global release date on "Friday."
So you guys can have the sales, because Beyonce has surpassed that. I also see that some of you continue to omit DC's accomplishments which adds to Beyonce as a brand and legend.
So to answer the question again.. Beyonce IS bigger than Taylor in the US. |
Firstly, Michelle Obama has done nothing to achieve the title of First Lady much like all the previous First Ladies haven't. A title given to the spouse of the President means nothing honestly. Using that to somehow distinguish Beyonce isn't going to make her seem impressive. Michelle Obama is a very intelligent woman, and she has many merits of her own, but First Lady is not something she earned or strived for either. I could be friends with the First Children, but what does that actually prove? Nothing.
Oprah is in a league of her own, and Beyonce is not on her level. She is not Oprah's peer. Beyonce can win all the polls she wants, but if you actually believe that she holds more power than political giants like Hilary Clinton you are greatly mistaken. Hilary Clinton could possibly be the first female president of the United States and you think a poll claiming Beyonce is more powerful than her is legitimate?
Beyonce has had time to really cultivate her celebrity. She is culturally bigger than Taylor Swift, but at the end of the day, they are both artists/musicians. That is their primary role, and that is what they are known for. Taylor is far more successful musically than Beyonce. Beyonce is in her 30s. She is not past sales. A legend's selling power never diminishes, so you can never argue that sales no longer apply to her.
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The results .  Nice to see ATRL being objective and making educated choices for once.
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Originally posted by Artemisia
Beyoncé's music had huge radio support without being pop candy. Now she doesn't. What's the excuse?
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Her music is no longer being properly managed/supported/promoted or even released (!) by her label because she decided she didn't give a ****
If she wanted to she could have made a great catchy generic album, and promoted and released it the normal way (like literally every single other popular artist) and it would have probably done amazing
But she'd rather rule the world in more constructive ways.
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Originally posted by muddysquirrel
The results . Nice to see ATRL being objective and making educated choices for once. |
I don't know how anyone could vote for Bey in a commercial sense.
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Originally posted by idkher
With like a thousand singles and 15+ albums (some of them being released during the peak of album sales) she's only 20 million record sales ahead? Thanks for proving our point! Taylor is by far the biggest female artist in the US in decades! |
That's not how math works. Bey with 5 albums + 40 singles in 11 years vs Taylor with 5 albums + 33 singles in 8 years.
It really is not that hard to understand 
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Originally posted by idkher
With like a thousand singles and 15+ albums (some of them being released during the peak of album sales) she's only 20 million record sales ahead? Thanks for proving our point! Taylor is by far the biggest female artist in the US in decades! |
Please! Only 1/4 of Bey's time was in the digital era, which sells songs(records) like hot cakes. Bey only took advantage of that in 1 only 1 era.
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Originally posted by idkher
With like a thousand singles and 15+ albums (some of them being released during the peak of album sales) she's only 20 million record sales ahead? Thanks for proving our point! Taylor is by far the biggest female artist in the US in decades! |
Most of those are album tracks.  They sell surprisingly well.
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