[Right Now]

Originally posted by MusicLoverDude

And if it wasn't for her show breaking the 65 episode limit rule, Hannah Montana, Suite Life, WOWP, Good Luck Charlie and all the shows today wouldn't have been able to reach 100 episodes or more (or at least near it).

Yikes! Let's not forget the only reason That's So Raven was the first to do that was because in 2004, the new president of Disney Channel US came on board and decided to demolish the rule that had been set in place since 1998. The former presidents of the network abided by the rule because they believed it was best to reduce their programming costs and keep their shows fresh. Had Anne Sweeney become president just two years earlier, that show would have likely been the second show, rather than first to pass that number.

[stronger23]

Even the movies started to suck. Remember we got a new movie every month...

[Giselle]

Originally posted by Right Now

Yikes! Let's not forget the only reason That's So Raven was the first to do that was because in 2004, the new president of Disney Channel US came on board and decided to demolish the rule that had been set in place since 1998. The former presidents of the network abided by the rule because they believed it was best to reduce their programming costs and keep their shows fresh. Had Anne Sweeney become president just two years earlier, that show would have likely been the second show, rather than first to pass that number.

Yikes! We can play the "what if" game all day, but Raven was still the first to do it.

[Right Now]

Originally posted by PrinceMichaelFan

Exactly!

I don't understand how people say Hilary open the doors... good sis was done after 2 seasons and 65 episodes.

Good sis Raven passed 65 episodes in Season 3 and went 100 episodes by 2007.

Read my last post in this thread. You're also forgetting that Lizzie McGuire was DANGEROUSLY close to being picked up on the regular ABC network, but was dropped due to salary negotiations.

Originally posted by Giselle

Yikes! We can play the "what if" game all day, but Raven was still the first to do it.

I didn't say that show wasn't. The lack of knowledge on the matter is a bit irresponsible though. Let's keep all the facts out on the table.

[PrinceMichaelFan]

Originally posted by Right Now

Yikes! Let's not forget the only reason That's So Raven was the first to do that was because in 2004, the new president of Disney Channel US came on board and decided to demolish the rule that had been set in place since 1998. The former presidents of the network abided by the rule because they believed it was best to reduce their programming costs and keep their shows fresh. Had Anne Sweeney become president just two years earlier, that show would have likely been the second show, rather than first to pass that number.

Also because the show was very POPULAR in 2005. Not just because of a new president.

[PrinceMichaelFan]

Originally posted by Right Now

Read my last post in this thread. You're also forgetting that Lizzie McGuire was DANGEROUSLY close to being picked up on the regular ABC network, but was dropped due to salary negotiations.



I didn't say she wasn't. The lack on knowledge on the matter is a bit irresponsible though. Let's keep all the facts out on the table.

That's so Raven was also picked up for her own ABC show but she declined which is why we got CORY IN THE HOUSE.

[Misanthrope]

Disney Channel is only really good when you're at the demographic thats meant to consume it.

[Right Now]

Originally posted by PrinceMichaelFan

Also because the show was very POPULAR in 2005. Not just because of a new president.

Yes, the show was popular. That wasn't in dispute in this thread.

[Attitude]

Originally posted by PrinceMichaelFan

That's so Raven was also picked up for her own ABC show but she declined which is why we got CORY IN THE HOUSE.

I thought that was The Cheetah Girls tv show?

[PrinceMichaelFan]

Originally posted by Right Now

Yes, the show was popular. That wasn't in dispute in this thread.

But you came in here stating that the show was only push after 65 episodes due to a chance of a president... But if Raven had modest ratings, it woulda have been canned.


Raven show was highly popular in 2005 (She broke ratings) and Disney Channel found new audiences post 2003.

[PrinceMichaelFan]

Originally posted by Attitude

I thought that was The Cheetah Girls tv show?

Cheetah girls was the originally show raven was going to do on Disney in 2002. She signed a Disney Channel contract 2001 to do that show and it never happen, but I believe we have footage of them doing a pilot, I think.

That's so Raven premiered in 2002 instead.

[Jaxsin]

The only entertaining show on Disney rn is Gravity Falls and idk if that show is still running

[Right Now]

Originally posted by PrinceMichaelFan

That's so Raven was also picked up for her own ABC show but she declined which is why we got CORY IN THE HOUSE.

Can you direct me to a link to that? I've heard that mentioned before but never saw anything about it. I googled "That's So Raven ABC network show" and couldn't find a source confirming that, but when I replaced TSR with Lizzie McGuire, the very first source appeared about the proposed LM ABC show.

[Right Now]

Originally posted by PrinceMichaelFan

But you came in here stating that the show was only push after 65 episodes due to a chance of a president... But if Raven had modest ratings, it woulda have been canned.


Raven show was highly popular in 2005 (She broke ratings) and Disney Channel found new audiences post 2003.

I did mention that first part, yes. Thanks to the president change, they were able to continue the show for a longer period of time and the stupid 65-episode rule was effectively broken for good.

[BeyonceHatesMe]

Originally posted by MusicLoverDude

Nah Good Luck Charlie was their last one. Plain and simple

Oh wait, that too.

[supaspaz]

Most of the pre-2006 shows you named were pretty awful, too. Disney Channel really started to go downhill after about 2004, with the switch to mostly multi-camera sitcoms powered by obnoxious overacting.

But I'm guessing that one's opinion on "peak" Disney Channel (or Nickelodeon or any children's network) is most dependent on when you were in their target demographic. You probably just outgrew their programs.

[KekeStann]

Originally posted by PrinceMichaelFan

That's so Raven was also picked up for her own ABC show but she declined which is why we got CORY IN THE HOUSE.

That's actually not true. What many people don't know is that during the second season of That's So Raven ABC ordered a television version of The Cheetah Girls. But since That's So Raven was so popular she opted to stick with it.

[FlyOnTheWall]

WOWP premiered in 2007 and the first two seasons slayed. The Suit Life on Deck was also great, not as amazing as the original, but that wouldve been hard to achieve anyway. Sonny and Jonas were both awful. Phineas and Ferb and Gravity Falls aren't that bad either, I hate to admit they had me on the floor several times. Good Luck Charlie was amazing, on the level of Hannah or Suit Life. Shake It Up was pretty bad but I actually enjoyed the first two seasons, stopped watching after. Jessie is bad, but Debby Ryan and Skai gave the show at least likable characters. ANT Farm was just awful and didn't give China any justice, she could be at least on Zendaya kind of fame now if they gave that girl a decent show (same with Coco Jones but they totally screw her up any way)... I didn't watch anything that came after often enough to judge apart of maybe Austin & Ally which was just plain boring.

[JLO_FeEN]

Yes!

After the slayage that was Lizzie & That's So Raven the channel was never the same.

Kinda feel bad for the younger generation your shows pretty much sucked post 2006 [the year I also graduated HS].

Guess I was one of the lucky ones.

[JLO_FeEN]

Originally posted by jpow

The peak was That's So Raven, Phil of the Future, and Bug Juice

OMG Bug Juice !

You just brought me back! I love you sis