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Discussion: Why is Beyonce put on such a high pedestal?
Member Since: 2/2/2014
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Originally posted by Fenty The Great
Not you comparing album certifications with single certifications  . Keep grasping for straws girl. It's not that Beyonce doesn't rely on radios because she's certainly tried, it's just that radio doesn't want anything to do with her  . Can you blame them for wanting to play smash hits instead of overdone rehashes from albums past?
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tbh, given the sound of pop radio this decade I'm happy Beyoncé is not there. if you think smashes are good songs then we have to stop discussing right now. she's been the Queen of Radio from Say My Name to Single Ladies (10 years). this decade her music has gotten even better now that POP radio doesn't play her that much. so what do you call overdone rehashes??? she has never been so experimental. if you don't agree with me come with solid points at least.
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Member Since: 12/4/2010
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Originally posted by Kisuke
She promotes her perfumes and other artist more then she does her own music  |
This thread has me sleep.
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Originally posted by DG1
And why are people acting like Bey isn't a huge selling artist? 200M records is medicore. And comparing her to Katy who is in her prime? Bey is in her 17th year as an artist in the public eye. Will Katy still be touring and selling as much when she's nearing almost 2 decades in the business? |
Rihanna is not even 10 years into her career and already has more flops than Beyoncé I doubt she will last the same as Bey
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Who other than some monsters view PRISM as a flop? The OP is full of lies.
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Originally posted by HumanitySector
Well Mrs Carter was two? three? tours merged together under one name, so slay Rihanna!   |
The Mrs. Carter Show tour was one tour with huge demand,.
She sold out 5 shows at Barclays vs. Rihanna's two.
3 Shows in Los Angeles (the 2nd largest city in the U.S.) vs Rihanna barely selling out one.
2 shows in Chicago vs. Rihanna's 1.
4 shows in Sydney and Melbourse, Australia and almost 3X the gross.
As for Rihanna's stadiums shows:
Rihanna played a stadium in Dublin. Beyonce's arena shows grossed more and attracted more people in Dublin.
Rihanna played a stadium in London. Beyonce's arena shows grossed more and attracted more people.
And didn't Rihanna cancel a show in Barbados due to "technical difficulties"? Isn't she from Barbados?
Hmmm....
As I said before, and I guess I must repeat myself, Beyonce is the biggest WORLDWIDE touring female artist of her generation, therefore the slayage of the Mrs. Carter Show could not be contained to one year and one-leg. But cling to stale-ass drags if you wish...
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Member Since: 12/4/2010
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Originally posted by Fenty The Great
How much did it sell? Will it ever pass 1.5 million? |
But like I said, one performance. Then it was dust.
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Originally posted by Saintlor
Beyonce is viewed as some kind of Goddess who is above all of her musical peers. Why is this? Beyoncè has only sold 3.36M albums worldwide - Katy's PRISM sold approximately this amount and people deem the album as a flop. Not to mention that these numbers pail in comparison to people such a Adele, Pink, Taylor & a few more, yet none of these people are viewed on the same level as her. The supposed 'biggest artist in the world' should be outselling all of these people, but the fact is - she's not. She hasn't had a #1 single in years and most of her singles underperform / flop. Why is this? Is it wrong that the hive and some of the GP assume she is the biggest artist? Is Beyonce just known for hype rather than her actual music and sales?
On a touring aspect, people such as Rihanna & Pink perform similarly to her & Madonna is higher than everyone.
In pretty much every musical aspect, there are many people who perform better than Beyonce, but everyone seems to have the mindset that Beyonce is bigger, better & the most popular artist. Are people right or wrong to think this?
Her live performances are great, but I think they are a little repetitive and I could name a few people who put on a better show than her. I dont even think the quality of her albums is as much as people hype them up to be.
Personally, I think Beyonce's star power and the fact that she's a big celebrity rather than a huge selling aritst blind people's judgement.
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1) WHO considers PRISM a flop?  It's a very successful era in todays age, I've literally NEVER heard anyone call it a flop, or even an underperformance. BEYONCE sold about 3.5m last I checked, Prism a few k behind that, Unapologetic is about a year older with 4+m... 3-4m in album sales is obviously the ballpark for a successful current popgirl era. If people achieve more than that, great for them, but it doesn't mean anyone who did less flopped
2) The GP =/= stans. They don't know or care how to read a weekly chart, they don't know what mediatraffic is nor do they have the time to look it up (they do actual things like work, go to school, raise children), and they don't refresh the itunes page to check sales positions there. If you told someone from the GP Taylor's latest album sold 1m, or 10m, or 100m, their reaction would be the same: "Uhhh... cool?"
Lastly, the points you raised were valid but the conclusion is not. She's simply a respected performer and musician. Even when she has an underperforming era like 4, she's headlining Glastonbury, the Superbowl and receiving a Billboard Millennium Award... And being praised by all of the artists you've listed (especially Adele, and Katy, who called her the queen of music not too long ago). Or this era, where you all (stans, not the GP) are obsessed with single positions, while the GP only knows the top hit Drunk in Love ("BUT IT ONLY REACHED #2, NOt #1!!!!1"), the album which received massive headlines for it's release, first week sales and universal acclaim, 2 successful tours maybe the heard about VMA nominations, passed by the TIME magazine she headlined (as a TITAN) or heard about her FORBES #1 placement, the RnR HOF, etc.
Overall, people need to understand the internet stan world, and the GP are two very different things. Half the people ya'll venerate on this site are forgotten about or laughed at in the real world, and half the things ya'll value (like mediatraffic or "UWC" positions) are not known nor cared about by the average person.
edit: And ya'll also need to learn "I don't personally like it, it doesn't suit my tastes" =/= "it doesn't deserve it's success/recognition, OVERRATED!"
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I think it's because of her iconic status in our culture besides music. She's known for other things, such as the power she as a person holds. It's untouchable and no one else, for at least a good while, will be able to retain such a status She's just very powerful, both in music and in other aspects of pop culture.
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Member Since: 7/23/2012
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It obviously has to do with more than just sales. Beyoncé is the ultimate performer with the ultimate image. Unlike the other girls, there really isn't a negative thing to say about her. All of the draggings going on here is strictly within the world of ATRL. The GP sees ha as a legend and there's no way around that.
Rih is the closest pop girl near, but she even still has a ways to go.
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Member Since: 10/29/2010
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Originally posted by Doc
But like I said, one performance. Then it was dust.
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Not to mention, digital sales are down this year. She needed to promote it more... But single sales is the last thing on her mind.
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Member Since: 12/21/2011
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Originally posted by Kisuke
At Beyonce trying this era |
"Run the World (Girls)"
Released: April 21, 2011
2,600,000
"Best Thing I Never Had"
Released: June 1, 2011
3,200,000
"Party"
Released: August 30, 2011
900,000
"Love on Top"
Released: September 12, 2011
3,200,000
"Countdown"
Released: October 4, 2011
950,000
"I Care"
Released: March 23, 2012
100,000
"End of Time"
Released: April 23, 2012
450,000
"XO"
Released: December 16, 2013
1,000,000
"Drunk in Love"
Released: December 17, 2013
2.600.000
"Partition"
Released: February 25, 2014
800,000
"Pretty Hurts"
Released: June 10, 2014
250,000
16.050.000 with NINE singles
"Diamonds"
Released: September 27, 2012
8.400.000
"Stay"
Released: January 7, 2013
8.100.000
16.500.000 with TWO singles
Difference what he meant by "trying" and "non trying". And both TTT and Unapologetic sold more than 4 and BEYONCE with half of effort.
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by Alejandrawrrr
1) WHO considers PRISM a flop? It's a very successful era in todays age, I've literally NEVER heard anyone call it a flop, or even an underperformance. BEYONCE sold about 3.5m last I checked, Prism a few k behind that, Unapologetic is about a year older with 4+m... 3-4m in album sales is obviously the ballpark for a successful current popgirl era. If people achieve more than that, great for them, but it doesn't mean anyone who did less flopped
2) The GP =/= stans. They don't know or care how to read a weekly chart, they don't know what mediatraffic is nor do they have the time to look it up (they do actual things like work, go to school, raise children), and they don't refresh the itunes page to check sales positions there. If you told someone from the GP Taylor's latest album sold 1m, or 10m, or 100m, their reaction would be the same: "Uhhh... cool?"
Lastly, the points you raised were valid but the conclusion is not. She's simply a respected performer and musician. Even when she has an underperforming era like 4, she's headlining Glastonbury, the Superbowl and receiving a Billboard Millennium Award... And being praised by all of the artists you've listed (especially Adele, and Katy, who called her the queen of music not too long ago). Or this era, where you all (stans, not the GP) are obsessed with single positions, while the GP only knows the top hit Drunk in Love ("BUT IT ONLY REACHED #2, NOt #1!!!!1"), the album which received massive headlines for it's release and first week sales, 2 successful tours maybe the heard about VMA nominations, passed by the TIME magazine she headlined (as a TITAN) or heard about her FORBES #1 placement, the RnR HOF, etc.
Overall, people need to understand the internet stan world, and the GP are two very different things. Half the people ya'll venerate on this site are forgotten about or laughed at in the real world, and half the things ya'll value (like mediatraffic or "UWC" positions) are not known nor cared about by the average person. |
The bible right here 
The charts thing with the GP is true. I've had friends who are beyond shocked when I tell them that songs like Loyal by Chris Brown, any Drake song, or songs like Turn Down for What weren't #1. People see songs that they hear a lot as huge hits, regardless of chart positions. Y'all gotta remember that. People call Beyoncé a queen because she is one in the GP view, and single/album sales and positions won't change that for them.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by Doc
But like I said, one performance. Then it was dust.
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It is funny he trying to drag DIL sales, when Rude Boy was #1 for 4 weeks and sold 2.3m (The same as Applause), despite having tons of promo and 0.69 discounts
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Doc
But like I said, one performance. Then it was dust.
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It was always dust. Some girls can go #1 with no performances and sell more than an embarrassing 1 million. Will Drunk In Love outsell the Birthday Cake snippet?
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Member Since: 5/7/2009
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Originally posted by AnginaWilliams
4 shows in Sydney and Melbourse, Australia and almost 3X the gross.
As for Rihanna's stadiums shows:
Rihanna played a stadium in Dublin. Beyonce's arena shows grossed more and attracted more people in Dublin.
Rihanna played a stadium in London. Beyonce's arena shows grossed more and attracted more people.
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Beyonce so locaal i cant.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by HumanitySector
"Run the World (Girls)"
Released: April 21, 2011
2,600,000
"Best Thing I Never Had"
Released: June 1, 2011
3,200,000
"Party"
Released: August 30, 2011
900,000
"Love on Top"
Released: September 12, 2011
3,200,000
"Countdown"
Released: October 4, 2011
950,000
"I Care"
Released: March 23, 2012
100,000
"End of Time"
Released: April 23, 2012
450,000
"XO"
Released: December 16, 2013
1,000,000
"Drunk in Love"
Released: December 17, 2013
2.600.000
"Partition"
Released: February 25, 2014
800,000
"Pretty Hurts"
Released: June 10, 2014
250,000
16.050.000 with NINE singles
"Diamonds"
Released: September 27, 2012
8.400.000
"Stay"
Released: January 7, 2013
8.100.000
16.500.000 with TWO singles
Difference what he meant by "trying" and "non trying".
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All of those singles, Bey only promoted hard RTW, the rest had 1 or 2 performances or were paid dust 
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Member Since: 5/7/2009
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Originally posted by HumanitySector
"Party"
Released: August 30, 2011
900,000
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An urban single selling 900k a flop 
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by ianBK4
It is funny he trying to drag DIL sales, when Rude Boy was #1 for 4 weeks and sold 2.3m (The same as Applause), despite having tons of promo and 0.69 discounts
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Rude Boy sold more and peaked higher. None of Rude Boy's promo had anywhere near the viewership of the Grammy's. Your point is moot.
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Member Since: 10/29/2010
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Originally posted by HumanitySector
"Run the World (Girls)"
Released: April 21, 2011
2,600,000
"Best Thing I Never Had"
Released: June 1, 2011
3,200,000
"Party"
Released: August 30, 2011
900,000
"Love on Top"
Released: September 12, 2011
3,200,000
"Countdown"
Released: October 4, 2011
950,000
"I Care"
Released: March 23, 2012
100,000
"End of Time"
Released: April 23, 2012
450,000
"XO"
Released: December 16, 2013
1,000,000
"Drunk in Love"
Released: December 17, 2013
2.600.000
"Partition"
Released: February 25, 2014
800,000
"Pretty Hurts"
Released: June 10, 2014
250,000
16.050.000 with NINE singles
"Diamonds"
Released: September 27, 2012
8.400.000
"Stay"
Released: January 7, 2013
8.100.000
16.500.000 with TWO singles
Difference what he meant by "trying" and "non trying".
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The majority of those weren't even mainstream singles though.
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Member Since: 5/7/2009
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Originally posted by ianBK4
It is funny he trying to drag DIL sales, when Rude Boy was #1 for 4 weeks and sold 2.3m (The same as Applause), despite having tons of promo and 0.69 discounts
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I think its more funny that the only thing she talking about are singles .
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