[gloamingtheplain]

Originally posted by Pandantic

what

I might not buy this game tbh

The Sims 3 has a loading screen as well.

[Syňth]

Originally posted by gloamingtheplain

The Sims 3 has a loading screen as well.

I haven't been paying close attention to the Sims 4 but wouldn't he mean the lack of them when moving through the neighborhood?

[geo]

I played The Sims 2 last night and honestly I don't care about the loading screens anymore. I forgot how active the community lots were, in TS3 they were like ghost towns.

[gloamingtheplain]

Originally posted by MINKI

I honestly don't care I only enjoy spending like 10 hours on CAS making pretty sims, photo shoots, and posting them on tumblr for people to eat up.
I'm excited for the new graphics and how much better cc will look.

You should have just bought this for $10:

[Vertigo Stick]

Originally posted by gloamingtheplain

Why are people mad? I usually skip Toddler and age up to child. They are useless and all they do is drain my Sim's energy and waste her job potential.

Again, it is a life state that should be in there. Instead EA wants to change gamers even more for something that should already be in the base game. The removal or toddlers (and pools) is a result of poor timing, mismanagement, and low budget. So we are getting an unfinished product, that is to be sold for $60, and expected to pay more money for items at have always been in the game. Why would I want to pay $60 for Sims .5?

[Frankmusik]

I'm going to make a better Sims game in Game Dev Tycoon.

[gloamingtheplain]

Originally posted by Vertigo Stick

Again, it is a life state that should be in there. Instead EA wants to change gamers even more for something that should already be in the base game. The removal or toddlers (and pools) is a result of poor timing, mismanagement, and low budget. So we are getting an unfinished product, that is to be sold for $60, and expected to pay more money for items at have always been in the game. Why would I want to pay $60 for Sims .5?

If you're so happy with the Sims 3, stay with it.

The Sims 3 didn't offer Spa's and contained Rabbit Holes instead of actual lots in the base game.
It also had horrible frame rates no matter how powerful your computer was.

The second game didn't have Young Adults in the base game, and you all lived. I think everyone's overreacting just a bit. The base game is a base game for a reason. If you want features you buy the expansions.

They are allowing more features in the Sims 4 in exchange for others. Just like the Sims 3 did.
This isn't new. Toddlers will most likely have their own Expansion pack, just like Young Adults used to.

If you don't want the Sims 4 without toddlers, don't buy it until they add the feature in.
It will probably cost you less to do that anyway.

[Doogle]

Originally posted by gloamingtheplain

If you're so happy with the Sims 3, stay with it.

The Sims 3 didn't offer Spa's and contained Rabbit Holes instead of actual lots in the base game.
It also had horrible frame rates no matter how powerful your computer was.

The second game didn't have Young Adults in the base game, and you all lived. I think everyone's overreacting just a bit. The base game is a base game for a reason. If you want features you buy the expansions.

They are allowing more features in the Sims 4 in exchange for others. Just like the Sims 3 did.
This isn't new. Toddlers will most likely have their own Expansion pack, just like Young Adults used to.

If you don't want the Sims 4 without toddlers, don't buy it until they add the feature in.
It will probably cost you less to do that anyway.

But why should we be expected to pay extra for a life stage and item we've become used to receiving straight away? That's where the problem lies, whether or not they add it later on.

[gloamingtheplain]

Originally posted by Doogle

But why should we be expected to pay extra for a life stage and item we've become used to receiving straight away? That's where the problem lies, whether or not they add it later on.

Then don't.

You were quite happy to pay for Rabbit Holes when you were used to actual Shopping/Community lots.
Same shiz, different feature.

You also get Nightclubs etc. in this base game, which I would prefer rather than my Sim entering a building and me having to pretend they were doing something.

[Doogle]

Originally posted by gloamingtheplain

Then don't.

You were quite happy to pay for Rabbit Holes when you were used to actual Shopping/Community lots.

Same shiz, different feature.

There was at least an option there to pretend though, since you could still make a community lot.

But I just don't see this as overreacting when they're potentially forcing us to pay extra for key components of the game.

[gloamingtheplain]

Originally posted by Doogle

There was at least an option there to pretend though, since you could still make a community lot.

But I just don't see this as overreacting when they're potentially forcing us to pay extra for key components of the game.

It wasn't a 'lot' though. A community lot was the Pool, or Gym. These were just random rabbit holes.

Toddlers were never key component. They were always an extra.
Even the console games went from Baby to Child.

A key component would be not letting you build your own house, or having to choose pre-made Sims etc. This is just a missing feature.

Some people may prefer Toddlers instead of actual Community Lots. Some may prefer it the other way around.

Including all the features that everyone wants is kinda silly for a base game. The point of the Sims has always been Expansion packs

[Skywalker]

Originally posted by gloamingtheplain

It wasn't a 'lot' though. A community lot was the Pool, or Gym. These were just random rabbit holes.

Toddlers were never key component. They were always an extra.
Even the console games went from Baby to Child.

A key component would be not letting you build your own house, or having to choose pre-made Sims etc. This is just a missing feature.

Some people may prefer Toddlers instead of actual Community Lots. Some may prefer it the other way around.

Including all the features that everyone wants is kinda silly for a base game. The point of the Sims has always been Expansion packs

Can't make a big enough.

[Doogle]

Originally posted by gloamingtheplain

It wasn't a 'lot' though. A community lot was the Pool, or Gym. These were just random rabbit holes.

Toddlers were never key component. They were always an extra.
Even the console games went from Baby to Child.

A key component would be not letting you build your own house, or having to choose pre-made Sims etc. This is just a missing feature.

Some people may prefer Toddlers instead of actual Community Lots. Some may prefer it the other way around.

Including all the features that everyone wants is kinda silly for a base game. The point of the Sims has always been Expansion packs

It is a key component, the idea of The Sims is generational gameplay and missing a whole life stage out completely throws the game off balance.

Expansions should add new and fresh ideas that change gameplay massively. Sadly that hasn't been the case since The Sims 2 of course.

[gloamingtheplain]

Originally posted by Doogle

It is a key component, the idea of The Sims is generational gameplay and missing a whole life stage out completely throws the game off balance.

Expansions should add new and fresh ideas that change gameplay massively. Sadly that hasn't been the case since The Sims 2 of course.

Yeah but they purposely didn't include Young Adults in the base game for The Sims 2.
Even though the Body Shop had the feature in the base game (it wouldn't let you make one yet) but said the option was there.

So your Sim went from 15 years old to 40 in one age-up People were okay with that.
Now your Sims goes from 1 year to 6 years old.

Why do people even like Toddlers? They add nothing to the game imo.

[Doogle]

Originally posted by gloamingtheplain

Yeah but they purposely didn't include Young Adults in the base game for The Sims 2.
Even though the Body Shop had the feature in the base game (it wouldn't let you make one yet) but said the option was there.

So your Sim went from 15 years old to 40 in one age-up People were okay with that.
Now your Sims goes from 1 year to 6 years old.

Why do people even like Toddlers? They add nothing to the game imo.

Really? Never knew that. I assumed they were only added after since they served a specific purpose of being for college sims only so it never fully bothered me.

I get your point and it makes sense, but for me I really love the whole family feel and having a large town populated with different types and I just love having teenagers looking after kids when parents are out at work, training them and caring for them all the time and watching them grow up into kids with skills. Like sure they're pixels at the end of the day but to me there's something really fun and enjoyable about all of that aspect. It just feels lacking without that there.

[gloamingtheplain]

Originally posted by Pandantic

I haven't been paying close attention to the Sims 4 but wouldn't he mean the lack of them when moving through the neighborhood?

Possibly.

But the neighbourhood is open world still, so I don't know how that would work.

Originally posted by Meowster

Can't make a big enough.

I'm not saying I agree with it. But that's how The Sims has always worked. The base games give you a taste of what the expansions will give. It's limited purposely.

The only base game that was completely full was The Sims 2 tbh. The Sims, The Sims 3 and The Sims 4 are/were all being made with expansions in mind. The Sims 2 was as well, but the amount of features you got was incredible.

[ZimsexZim]

Apparently there's this explanation circulating the internet lately:

I was wondering what the hell EA was thinking, but then I remembered the rumors from earlier this year / late last year about the Sims 4 formerly being an online multiplayer game until the SimCity debacle, and how it now seems kind of barebones even though the release date is a few months away. I mean, it's just a rumor, but it would make sense given everything that's been revealed so far and the weird structure and limitations of the game (worlds divided into sub-divided neighborhoods of only five lots each). It definitely does seem "neutered" compared to its predecessors, which would make sense if it was supposed to be a small sandbox online like SimCity:

You would think EA would learn a thing or two after both The Sims Online and The Sims Social utterly bombed.

But it explains everything.

The pared back art style and lack of CASt were to improve performance for online play. Multiple small neighbourhoods in a world were so that only a small group of players were together (but could still visit other players). The separate lots were to create a private space for each user. The public spaces were to be the main hub where players could meet.

Story Progression was never included because all Sims would be controlled by human players. Teens and Elders are essentially Adult clones because Adults were likely going to be the only real age group (like TSO and TSS). Toddlers aren't in because they were never planned to be in from the start. Pools were probably left out for some technical reason (since the sources suggest that the online TS4 ran like ****) or never a priority to begin with.

It would also explain the strange radio silence and delay, and why some people were laid off and brought back again. It also explains why they promoting the "emotions feature" so much. They had to salvage what they could from the online project, so CaS, Buy/Build and emotions were pretty much all they had. Then EA had them make a working game around these things at short notice so that it doesn't ruin their prime money printer.

I feel sorry for the devs who have had to work on this game. Sounds like a complete mess.

[gloamingtheplain]

Originally posted by Doogle

Really? Never knew that. I assumed they were only added after since they served a specific purpose of being for college sims only so it never fully bothered me.

I get your point and it makes sense, but for me I really love the whole family feel and having a large town populated with different types and I just love having teenagers looking after kids when parents are out at work, training them and caring for them all the time and watching them grow up into kids with skills. Like sure they're pixels at the end of the day but to me there's something really fun and enjoyable about all of that aspect. It just feels lacking without that there.

Yeah they were cos I always wondered if my game glitched cos they were missing.
It wouldn't let you make one though. Just the option was mentioned.

[LilKim]

watch them regret this, when their sales BOMB

[MrTiko]

I think the thing that really got me was the lack of an Open World. Why in 2014 is it impossible (it isn't tbh) to create a full function open world, when we were already half way there in 2009?? I think that and the removal of Create-a-Style, Toddlers, Pools (that have been in the game since SimCity 1 &TS1), and more are just really annoying. Like why is there no Stoyprogression? All my sims will just age and die if I forget about them

Long story short, the game is rushed and unfinished. They are giving us B.S. reasons for taking out key components of previous games and are throwing rockets and cowplants at us. All this and the game will just get more expensive because "Toddlers now INCLUDED!!!1!1!1"