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Discussion: Is Beyonce at Madonna/MJ level?
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Originally posted by RihannasVeryOwn
Destinys Child don't count sister I'm sorry!
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But collabs do?
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Originally posted by J a y
Wouldn't it be like this? - Elvis Presley and The Beatles
- Michael Jackson, Madonna, Elton John
- Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston, Celine Dion
- Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, AC/DC, Queen, Rolling Stones
- Britney Spears, Beyoncé, Lady Gaga, Rihanna
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Where's ABBA?? 
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Madonna and Michael Jackson are global. They can sell records around the world. She could neva.
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Originally posted by PrettyHurts
But collabs do?
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All of MJ/Madge's #1s are solo!
Except maybe 'I Just Can't Stop Lovin U'
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Originally posted by RihannasVeryOwn
All of MJ/Madge's #1s are solo!
Except maybe 'I Just Can't Stop Lovin U'
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whatever
dc's hits are and will continue to be remembered as a part of her legacy sorry
the group was very successful and it was clear she was at the center of it all
she was the lead singer and wrote quite a few of their songs, she deserves the credit
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How can people discredit DC when it is part of her legacy. The stupidity of it all.
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Originally posted by PrettyHurts
whatever
dc's hits are and will continue to be remembered as a part of her legacy sorry
the group was very successful and it was clear she was at the center of it all
she was the lead singer and wrote quite a few of their songs, she deserves the credit
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We don't add Jackson 5s stats to Michaels, we don't add NSYNC's stats to Justin, we don't add The Supremes stats to Diana, because they are successful enough to stand on their own
If we have to add DCs stats to Bey, that says a lot about her and her solo success.
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Originally posted by Rusty
Neither tour came close to selling the tickets Michael's two best selling tours did, and they were in the 80s and 90s before touring revenue exploded in the 2000s (check Madge's pre-Re-invention tour receipts for proof).
Michael Jackson was a world class dancer. Madonna isn't a world class anything. That's not subjective, it's just his talent as a dancer > any talent Madge has. Record sales aren't subjective - Michael has an album that sold in the region of seventy million copies, along with two other albums that have outsold any Madonna album. He has the best selling remix album, studio album and second-best selling multi-disc album. He sold more records than any artists bar The Beatles and Elvis, even excluding J5/The Jacksons sales. None of that is subjective - instead your comment is with your "artistic" crap  Both are/were heavily involved in creating their music, though I contest Michael is a far better songwriter (see Tabloid Junkie for proof) - he is in the songwriting hall of fame, Madge isn't. This is success Madonna has never known.
Grammys mean more than any other award in music. Michael got the Grammy Legend Award and the Life Time Achievement Award. Beyond them, Michael has a VMA named after him and more AMAs than anyone else. He has a music video in the Congressional Library!
Can you not? Madge can't touch Michael. Even she knows that. |
stop with " Madge can't touch Mj " it makes me sick of your delusion
did Michael have any tour that ranked into top 10 highest grossing tours of alltime, no ! so stop with your ****ing nonsense selling ticket crap
which source told you that he's the world class dancer ? i need receipt, i never use his dancing style not to mention he was performing the same style in his entire career, the lack of reintenvion. MJ's albums sales are always much more than Madonna's sales, that's the well known fact but his discography will never touch the artistry of Madonna's albums, he kept repeating himself and couldn't make a good album after Bad, Dangerous is a trend following of new jack swing, Madonna is a risk taker and her art is always more controversy, she dares to write lyrics about deep topics like like religion, war, polical issues, taboo, feminism why MJ always kept his musicin a safe ambit that's why the public prefer MJ to her
Grammy means **** ! load of legends like Bob Marley, Jimi Hendrix, Queen, Led Zeppelin, Buddy Holly, Ramones, the Kinks, Chuck Berry and many more the legendary artists who never have a chance to touch that trashy award but they're still farrrrrrrr more influential than MJ
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Originally posted by Nhật Thực
stop with " Madge can't touch Mj " it makes me sick of your delusion
did Michael have any tour that ranked into top 10 highest grossing tours of alltime, no ! so stop with your ****ing nonsense selling ticket crap
which source told you that he's the world class dancer ? i need receipt, i never use his dancing style not to mention he was performing the same style in his entire career, the lack of reintenvion. MJ's albums sales are always much more than Madonna's sales, that's the well known fact but his discography will never touch the artistry of Madonna's albums, he kept repeating himself and couldn't make a good album after Bad, Dangerous is a trend following of new jack swing, Madonna is a risk taker and her art is always more controversy, she dares to write lyrics about deep topics like like religion, war, polical issues, taboo, feminism why MJ always kept his musicin a safe that's why the public prefer MJ to her
Grammy means **** ! load of legends like Bob Marley, Jimi Hendrix, Queen, Led Zeppelin, Buddy Holly, Ramones, the Kinks, Chuck Berry and many more the legendary artists who never have a chance to touch the that trashy award but they's still more farrrrrrrr influential than MJ |
Nice essay 
Still in impact/influence MJ has Madonna beat, sorry
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Originally posted by Planet Mars
Nice essay
Still in impact/influence MJ has Madonna beat, sorry |
maybe, in Planet Mars
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Originally posted by ABEL-o-matic
Yes, she's the queen of everything.
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I think so.
There's no one of this generation who fulfils the criteria as best as Beyonce. There are others who you could argue but I'm sorry, unless you can tear up the stage, create important pop culture moments, have a long successful career, have iconic dances/costumes, influence countless peers and up-and-comings, be regarded as the top of your craft, etc., then you are NOT on their level. And Beyonce fulfils all those.
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Originally posted by RihannasVeryOwn
We don't add Jackson 5s stats to Michaels, we don't add NSYNC's stats to Justin, we don't add The Supremes stats to Diana, because they are successful enough to stand on their own
If we have to add DCs stats to Bey, that says a lot about her and her solo success.
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I agree completely, though we must remember that DC is part of Beyonce's legacy like how the Jackson 5 and N*Sync are a part of MJ's and JT's. It is further testament to their success and relevancy. Like if you're talking about Diana Ross' career, how are you going to not talk about The Supremes? Plus it's not guaranteed for a singer to be successful solo either, so it is impressive when a singer can have dual careers like that.
But let's remember that unlike MJ and JT, Beyonce was without a doubt the lead singer of the group. So in that way she's more like The Supremes.
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Originally posted by hector.adriel
Not even close. She may be the best female pop performer right now, but that doesn't mean at all she's at MJ's/Madonna's level. She needs to reach certain level of iconicness, media frenzy, actual IMPACT, memorable/iconic performances, etc. And it just doesn't feel like she's done that. It's not just about being a good performer or doing good on tour.
She is cementing herself as an icon on her own, though. I gotta give her that.
And tbh, the only pop act that feels remotely close to Madge and MJ is Britney. She's not at her prime at all, but she's accomplished everything I mentioned that is needed to even be close to those two.
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There is undoubtedly a HUGE media frenzy for Beyonce. Are you forgetting the release of her last album? Her haircut? The elevatorgate? The countless non-stop rumours of a "divorce"?
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Originally posted by spree
Beyoncé can't even get a Top 10 pop hit. When was the last time? 3 albums ago? But there are plenty of non-pop songs that DO hit the Top 10 of Pop. Look at what's #1 right now. You would think "the most powerful woman in music" could accomplish such a feat, but apparantly radio don't care enough.
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By Top 10 Pop Hit do you mean on the Pop Chart specifically or Hot 100? If you mean the Pop Chart, keep in mind that measures pop music and Beyonce makes R&B/Urban music (which often crosses over onto pop but is not pop by definition). So we should really be looking to that specific chart if we're going to judge a specfic genre. And Beyonce has had many top tens, number ones and even a Year End Number ones on the R&B/Urban chart in the last 3 years
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Originally posted by spree
Gaga and Rihanna can hit #1 with a single. When will Beyoncé?
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Lol..you guys always talk about #1 singles!
When are we talking about #1 albums??Beyonce has more #1 abums than lady gaga and Rihanna combined + Beyonce solo has more #1 than lady gaga!
Have a seat somewhere with your delusion!
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Originally posted by #ADOU
Lol..you guys always talk about #1 singles!
When are we talking about #1 albums??Beyonce has more #1 abums than lady gaga and Rihanna combined + Beyonce solo has more #1 than lady gaga!
Have a seat somewhere with your delusion!
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Ya I'm confused as to why #1 albums are not as revered as #1 singles, when a #1 album is a better representation of an artist's popularity.
A #1 song represents a song that people have decided to stream, request or buy for $0.99. The sales, requests and streams of which includes devoted fans, casual listeners and those who have found the song to be to their liking.
A #1 album represents an album that people have decided to buy for $7.99+. The sales of which show that people are not just interested in one song, but an entire body of work. A level of trust in the artist needs to be present in order for someone to be willing to commit to buying a full album. It can be said to be bought by both devoted fans and invested listeners. I don't think many people buy albums on a whim, unless of course they have a lot of money to spend.
So isn't a #1 album a better representation of star-power and commercial viability?
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Originally posted by RihannasVeryOwn
We don't add Jackson 5s stats to Michaels, we don't add NSYNC's stats to Justin, we don't add The Supremes stats to Diana, because they are successful enough to stand on their own
If we have to add DCs stats to Bey, that says a lot about her and her solo success.
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Spill that juicy tea 
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