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Discussion: Talking about Iggy to White people?
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Originally posted by Rihinvention
So then just ignore these threads and don't come in to them. If other people are enjoying the discussion, then let them. Who are you to tell people what they can and can't talk about, just because a similar conversation has been had before?
Obviously it's an issue. It's not just going to go away. It's going to be brought up for the rest of her career. It's not like people are going to be like "oh well, we discussed it a lot during her debut and now we're just used to it so whatever, who cares." |
Hihihihihihihihi. I'm not reading any of those pages cuz I already know who's in there and what has been said. I'm just pointing out how obsessed people are with race and is so obvious that's the reason why the "dislike" Iggy. If any rapper makes a pop song and someone says why.. some people will be like why you mad? that's racist why is he/she supposed to be making rap/rnb only? how racist blah blah.
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Member Since: 11/18/2008
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Originally posted by chilluminati
If you don't want to 'complain', then don't. Won't stop others from doing so. Who do you think you are telling another race how to feel and act? Go somewhere.
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Originally posted by GotSkill
Ugh I was gonna avoid posting in this thread again since most people agree with me but the people that don't will refuse to listen. I don't get how its a contradiction? Yes race DOES exist and yes people will and ALWAYS will look at race as a factor. But I don't think it puts any race above another one. And just because white people buy music from white people has absolutely NOTHING to do with white privilege. Id bring up the possibility of black people buying music from black people being black privilege but I'm not really here to get called unnecessary names so I won't delve into that.
And when you say most famous artists are white, thats just not true at all. Half the legends, half the current artists are black. Right now there 7 (8 if you count the uncredited Big Sean, and 6 white people) in the Hot 100 top 10. Where's the white privilege in that? It ISNT!
I didn't want to say anything as extreme as this because I don't want to get called out by over-sensitive people, but its the damn truth
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sorry to waste anyone's time having to read my comments only to immediately disregard them and call me things, but the people calling this racist are really only perpetuating racism. I never said racism doesn't exist. It does and unfortunately probably always will. But please spend your time calling out actual racist things and not bashing a girl you never would've batted an eye at 3 months ago but now is suddenly racist and inappropriate now that she's found success (which, might I add, much of the hip hop community is congratulating her on).
And finally don't call me out on not having a consistent opinion throughout this thread. There were opinions I disagreed with but then grew to accept because they presented them in a manner that wasn't hateful and targeting me or anyone else, such as the idea that the industry is run in large part by whites. So don't tell me to look at your opinions and try to respect them and then bash me whenever I actually do that.
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 all of this especially the bold thats why i didn't even bother to respond to that post
you say you wanna have a "serious discussion" then when someone has an opinion you dissagree with you're like
"I hope this isn't a real response" or "BYE FELICA  "
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Member Since: 7/22/2012
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Originally posted by TMTURKEY
Actually, that is whats going to happen. Eminem had the SAME problem when he came out and now he's like one of the most acclaimed, respected, best selling rappers of all time
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Eminem debuted in a completely different era, hence his sales.
Eminem is actually talented unlike Iggy, hence the acclaim.
Eminem did not use a fake ****ing accent he developed from listening to black people.
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Originally posted by Superbitch
BTW I'm hispanic and y'all dont see me complaining about racism everyday and IDK if y'all have any idea but we have a pretty tough time being accepted and especially in the music industry. Have many WW latin acts do we have? Shakira, Pitbull, J.LO?? I don't see us complaining about this on the daily.
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But those Latin acts are being completely authentic. They're being themselves. That's a false equivalency. As if people on here would get mad about a latin singer singing. If Shakira got up on stage and started impersonating black, male rappers, the exact same issue would still be there. As people on here have said, it's vocal blackface.
There are so many African-Americans who fight every day to break down stereotypes. They want to move into medicine, law, business, journalism, etc, and pursue really corporate careers while conducting themselves in a professional manner. Their race is an obstacle that they have to overcome because like it or not, racism is still very much alive, and black people are seriously underrepresented in these corporate roles. But you know what? That doesn't stop them from fighting to break down those stereotypes. And then you get this white girl from Australia coming to America and basically saying "LOL this is what black people sound like!" while rapping about drugs and bragging about getting money. Go listen to 'Changes' by 2pac if you want to hear someone rapping about real struggles. Rap can be used for good and what she's doing is exploitative.
It's not even that she's appropriating a culture. It's that she's appropriating a really negative stereotype of that culture.
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Member Since: 4/3/2014
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Originally posted by TMTURKEY
Actually, that is whats going to happen. Eminem had the SAME problem when he came out and now he's like one of the most acclaimed, respected, best selling rappers of all time
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Eminem's talent speaks for itself. Eminem is good and Iggy Azalea, in my opinion, isn't. Just because they're both white doesn't automatically mean they're on the same level. They're not, and they never will be, on the same level.
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Originally posted by Rihinvention
But those Latin acts are being completely authentic. They're being themselves. That's a false equivalency. As if people on here would get mad about a latin singer singing. If Shakira got up on stage and started impersonating black, male rappers, the exact same issue would still be there. As people on here have said, it's vocal blackface.
There are so many African-Americans who fight every day to break down stereotypes. They want to move into medicine, law, business, journalism, etc, and pursue really corporate careers while conducting themselves in a professional manner. Their race is an obstacle that they have to overcome because like it or not, racism is still very much alive, and black people are seriously underrepresented in these corporate roles. But you know what? That doesn't stop them from fighting to break down their stereotypes. And then you get this white girl from Australia coming to America and basically saying "LOL this is what black people sound like!" while rapping about drugs and bragging about getting money. Go listen to 'Changes' by 2pac if you want to hear someone rapping about real struggles. Rap can be used for good and what she's doing is exploitative.
It's not even that she's appropriating a culture. It's that she's appropriating a really negative stereotype of that culture.
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And these are the issues we should be fighting. Thats REAL racism. Not this white Australian girl who in my opinion is appropriately using the culture of the place she's lived since she was 16
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Member Since: 11/18/2008
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Originally posted by Rihinvention
But those Latin acts are being completely authentic. They're being themselves. That's a false equivalency. As if people on here would get mad about a latin singer singing. If Shakira got up on stage and started impersonating black, male rappers, the exact same issue would still be there. As people on here have said, it's vocal blackface.
There are so many African-Americans who fight every day to break down stereotypes. They want to move into medicine, law, business, journalism, etc, and pursue really corporate careers while conducting themselves in a professional manner. Their race is an obstacle that they have to overcome because like it or not, racism is still very much alive, and black people are seriously underrepresented in these corporate roles. But you know what? That doesn't stop them from fighting to break down their stereotypes. And then you get this white girl from Australia coming to America and basically saying "LOL this is what black people sound like!" while rapping about drugs and bragging about getting money. Go listen to 'Changes' by 2pac if you want to hear someone rapping about real struggles. Rap can be used for good and what she's doing is exploitative.
It's not even that she's appropriating a culture. It's that she's appropriating a really negative stereotype of that culture.
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Girl, you're not gonna try to educate me on that. I'm latin born in Mexico who has been here since I was a kid. Obviously I know the struggles, and I live with a black family who came from nothing and are so over this race thing because they always say if you wanna succeed you gotta work hard for it but they're not complaining about it all the time, they don't like playing the race card like some people do. I dont do it either if you want something you can accomplish it your race has nothing to do with how far you can go. Not in 2014. I'm not saying racism doesn't exist because I live it, but I dont downgrade other people's success cuz of their race or cuz of what they do. I've seen people released songs in Spanish(oh hi bey) and songs with latin influences, so what? I don't care.
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Member Since: 4/3/2014
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Originally posted by GotSkill
And these are the issues we should be fighting. Thats REAL racism. Not this white Australian girl who in my opinion is appropriately using the culture of the place she's lived since she was 16
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It's not an "either/or" thing. It's not like "welp, this is a more serious issue concerning race so let's only discuss this and let all the others fly." ALL racism is bad. ALL issues regarding racism should be fought against. Not just the ones that are deemed more detrimental to the progression of an entire race of people.
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Originally posted by Superbitch
Girl, you're not gonna try to educate me on that. I'm latin born in Mexico who has been here since I was a kid. Obviously I know the struggles, and I live with a black family who came from nothing and are so over this race thing because they always say if you wanna succeed you gotta work hard for it but they're not complaining about it all the time, they don't like playing the race card like some people do. I dont do it either if you want something you can accomplish it your race has nothing to do with how far you can go. Not in 2014. I'm not saying racism doesn't exist because I live it, but I dont downgrade other people's success cuz of their race or cuz of what they do. I've seen people released songs in Spanish(oh hi bey) and songs with latin influences, so what? I don't care.
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Sometimes we forget we live in a nation with a black president, where most major league sports players are black, and where 2 of the biggest worldwide singers are Beyonce and Rihanna.
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Member Since: 4/3/2014
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Originally posted by Superbitch
Girl, you're not gonna try to educate me on that. I'm latin born in Mexico who has been here since I was a kid. Obviously I know the struggles, and I live with a black family who came from nothing and are so over this race thing because they always say if you wanna succeed you gotta work hard for it but they're not complaining about it all the time, they don't like playing the race card like some people do. I dont do it either if you want something you can accomplish it your race has nothing to do with how far you can go. Not in 2014. I'm not saying racism doesn't exist because I live it, but I dont downgrade other people's success cuz of their race or cuz of what they do. I've seen people released songs in Spanish(oh hi bey) and songs with latin influences, so what? I don't care.
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I'm not trying to educate you on racism. We're having a discussion. How do people on here not have the maturity to recognise what a discussion is? I'm not trying to school you on anything. I'm sure you've experienced your fair share of racism in your life but that doesn't invalidate my opinions.
As for Beyonce, she's singing in Spanish and she's doing it well, she's not exploiting hispanic people. Read the last sentence of what I said in my last post about Iggy - "It's not even that she's appropriating a culture. It's that she's appropriating a really negative stereotype of that culture."
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Member Since: 4/3/2014
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Originally posted by GotSkill
Sometimes we forget we live in a nation with a black president, where most major league sports players are black, and where 2 of the biggest worldwide singers are Beyonce and Rihanna.
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It's ok guys. Culture appropriation and exploiting a negative stereotype of another race are ok now because the president is black.
How old are you?
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Rihinvention
It's ok guys. Culture appropriation and exploiting a negative stereotype of another race are ok now because the president is black.
How old are you?
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what negative stereotype are you referring to?
and i do believe there is nothing wrong with culture appropriation as long as it doesn't cross a boundary, which i don't think Iggy or anyone else you're referring to has done at all
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Member Since: 7/22/2012
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Originally posted by GotSkill
Sometimes we forget we live in a nation with a black president, where most major league sports players are black, and where 2 of the biggest worldwide singers are Beyonce and Rihanna.
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So are you saying it's no longer an issue because biracial Obama (not full black btw) is president and light skinned Beyonce and Rihanna (both beautiful and talented but still very marketable to the right audience thanks to their not so dark skin tone) are popular?
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Member Since: 7/22/2012
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Originally posted by GotSkill
what negative stereotype are you referring to?
and i do believe there is nothing wrong with culture appropriation as long as it doesn't cross a boundary, which i don't think Iggy or anyone else you're referring to has done at all
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Cultural appropriation is crossing a boundary. That boundary is respect.
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Originally posted by chilluminati
So are you saying it's no longer an issue because biracial Obama (not full black btw) is president and light skinned Beyonce and Rihanna (both beautiful and talented but still very marketable to the right audience thanks to their not so dark skin tone) are popular?
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that specific comment was directed to those saying blacks can't succeed and that white privilege means whites will always be more successful than black. There's no way I can target all arguments in one comment but please feel free to browse my earlier comments for my opinion on the issue you're discussing
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by chilluminati
Cultural appropriation is crossing a boundary. That boundary is respect.
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in that case I should spend the rest of my life wearing jeans and eating hamburgers because I don't want to offend anyone? This is an old tired argument
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Member Since: 6/25/2012
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Originally posted by Superbitch
Girl, you're not gonna try to educate me on that. I'm latin born in Mexico who has been here since I was a kid. Obviously I know the struggles, and I live with a black family who came from nothing and are so over this race thing because they always say if you wanna succeed you gotta work hard for it but they're not complaining about it all the time, they don't like playing the race card like some people do. I dont do it either if you want something you can accomplish it your race has nothing to do with how far you can go. Not in 2014. I'm not saying racism doesn't exist because I live it, but I dont downgrade other people's success cuz of their race or cuz of what they do. I've seen people released songs in Spanish(oh hi bey) and songs with latin influences, so what? I don't care.
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Originally posted by Rihinvention
It's ok guys. Culture appropriation and exploiting a negative stereotype of another race are ok now because the president is black.
How old are you?
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and this negative stereotype you are referring to would be......?
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Member Since: 11/18/2008
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Originally posted by Rihinvention
I'm not trying to educate you on racism. We're having a discussion. How do people on here not have the maturity to recognise what a discussion is? I'm not trying to school you on anything. I'm sure you've experienced your fair share of racism in your life but that doesn't invalidate my opinions.
As for Beyonce, she's singing in Spanish and she's doing it well, she's not exploiting hispanic people. Read the last sentence of what I said in my last post about Iggy - "It's not even that she's appropriating a culture. It's that she's appropriating a really negative stereotype of that culture."
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Whatever sisters, from what I see y'all always try to make y'alls points valid but have never recognized the fact that Iggy's success have been earned. I respect your points yes, but what really annoys me is how y'all always like to pretend her success just happened overnight cuz she's white. Always saying oh she's white, oh she's a tall hot blonde, blah blah blah. It did not happen overnight, homegirl has been trying since 2011 and it happened after 2 failed singles in the US. Lil Debbie is white, Krashawn is white, Brooke Candy is white and I don't see them having success yet. Imma just say this y'all complain about ONE girl making it big doing what she likes to do aigh cool, but as I said how many of y'all bought Angel Haze's album? Oh yeah, that's what I thought.
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Member Since: 7/22/2012
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Originally posted by GotSkill
in that case I should spend the rest of my life wearing jeans and eating hamburgers because I don't want to offend anyone? This is an old tired argument
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What have jeans and hamburgers got to do with cultural appropriation? Come on. At least sound like you know what you are talking about.
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