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Discussion: Talking about Iggy to White people?
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Originally posted by Damien M
Bottom line is that Iggy being a white female rapper has NO implications on anything.
Female rap was already dead before her, and it continues being so post- (excluding Nicki Minaj who became a Euro-Dance artist in her 2nd era anyway).
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Bottom line is Iggy being a white blonde Australian female rapper with an appropriated Southern blaccent who inspires articles such as "Hip Hop is White Hot!" and "Hip Hop is run by a Blonde White Woman" does have implications and does offer an insight into society. But you can continue to ignore it!
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Originally posted by cloudinthesky
So I've been quietly following this thread for 20 pages but the following posts just... 
You literally just contradicted everything you've said previously in the the thread with this comment. So the music industry is run and funded by a majority of white people, thus white artists tend to be more successful and sell more records because white people are more open to buying and listening to music made by other white people. And yet this has NOTHING to do with race or white privilege? Sis, did you read your post before you hit submit?
If the GP really didn't give a damn about whether an artist was black or white or asian or latino or what have you, then labels wouldn't be "afraid" to push artists of color. One of the reasons most successful artists are white is because labels know that the GP prefers to buy a product that is created by/marketed to people like them: white.
Adding to the fact that the entertainment industry (and America in general, but that's a discussion for another thread) is run by white people. You're right that it's a cycle, but more in the vain of "which came first: chicken or the egg" type of cycle. White label execs push music by people like them that they can relate to, to the white section of the GP, whom they can also relate to. The majority of GP is white and can relate more to other whites' experiences, thus they buy the white products that are marketed to them, even at the cost of diminishing the culture of other races that paved the way in these genres like hip hop, r&b, rock, jazz, etc.
Either way, the problem exists, and nothing is really being done to fix it. If anything, it's gotten worse in the past decade or two. Appropriation is a real problem that is only making the situation worse.
I'm glad you now have a better understanding of what the blacks in here are talking about. However, seeing as you're not black and haven't experienced the kind of prejudice and racism (institutionalized or otherwise) that they experience on a daily basis, I'm not sure you're in a good position to make such a bold claim, sis. 
This, so much. I just can't. The replies in this thread are solid proof that threads and articles like this DO still need to exist. Racism is not over people. It may be much harder to pinpoint, but it is alive and well. Slavery, lynching and the "n word" are not the only ways someone can be racist. It manifests itself in many different ways in today's culture. |
WONDERFUL post. 
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YASS at Duffy being mentioned. HA impact with only ONE ALBUM and ONE MIXTAPE getting released
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She definitely appropriates. 
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nnn this thread really opened a can of worms 
I think Iggy should just be left alone, tbh. This is getting tired and the racism issue, while prevalent, is not something she should have directly blamed on her 
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Hihi I just have one question, why do people keep saying Kanye hasn't won Grammys against Eminem? Where did y'all get that lie from? 
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Originally posted by Doc
The author has put thoughtful and intellectual arguments into his article.
Please don't come in here with "Ur just mad @ da Kween bai!1". This isn't a stan war, it's an interesting question about race in the hip hop and mainstream music community. If you don't have anything intelligent to say, this thread isn't really for you.
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Since when has that stopped anyone on this site.
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Originally posted by cloudinthesky
You literally just contradicted everything you've said previously in the the thread with this comment. So the music industry is run and funded by a majority of white people, thus white artists tend to be more successful and sell more records because white people are more open to buying and listening to music made by other white people. And yet this has NOTHING to do with race or white privilege? Sis, did you read your post before you hit submit?
If the GP really didn't give a damn about whether an artist was black or white or asian or latino or what have you, then labels wouldn't be "afraid" to push artists of color. One of the reasons most successful artists are white is because labels know that the GP prefers to buy a product that is created by/marketed to people like them: white.
Adding to the fact that the entertainment industry (and America in general, but that's a discussion for another thread) is run by white people. You're right that it's a cycle, but more in the vain of "which came first: chicken or the egg" type of cycle. White label execs push music by people like them that they can relate to, to the white section of the GP, whom they can also relate to. The majority of GP is white and can relate more to other whites' experiences, thus they buy the white products that are marketed to them, even at the cost of diminishing the culture of other races that paved the way in these genres like hip hop, r&b, rock, jazz, etc.
Either way, the problem exists, and nothing is really being done to fix it. If anything, it's gotten worse in the past decade or two. Appropriation is a real problem that is only making the situation worse.
I'm glad you now have a better understanding of what the blacks in here are talking about. However, seeing as you're not black and haven't experienced the kind of prejudice and racism (institutionalized or otherwise) that they experience on a daily basis, I'm not sure you're in a good position to make such a bold claim, sis.
This, so much. I just can't. The replies in this thread are solid proof that threads and articles like this DO still need to exist. Racism is not over people. It may be much harder to pinpoint, but it is alive and well. Slavery, lynching and the "n word" are not the only ways someone can be racist. It manifests itself in many different ways in today's culture. |
Ugh I was gonna avoid posting in this thread again since most people agree with me but the people that don't will refuse to listen. I don't get how its a contradiction? Yes race DOES exist and yes people will and ALWAYS will look at race as a factor. But I don't think it puts any race above another one. And just because white people buy music from white people has absolutely NOTHING to do with white privilege. Id bring up the possibility of black people buying music from black people being black privilege but I'm not really here to get called unnecessary names so I won't delve into that.
And when you say most famous artists are white, thats just not true at all. Half the legends, half the current artists are black. Right now there 7 (8 if you count the uncredited Big Sean, and 6 white people) in the Hot 100 top 10. Where's the white privilege in that? It ISNT!
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Originally posted by CODE: RED
Threads like this have the opposite effect on me. I now want her to go full racist and bring watermelon and fried chicken on stage, just so the oversensitives have heart attacks.
I think its equally "disgusting" how black people appropriate other cultures (i.e. not disgusting at all).
I always think "you're black Rihanna. Stick with urban songs that appeal to minorities, don't aspire to be more global".
This thread is full of hypocrisy.
If it was a black girl singing/rapping in an Australian accent, nobody would care.
Nicki raps in a fake British accent sometimes. Nobody gives two craps about that appropriation.
And complete side note, Nicki is actually bigoted and racist. Why don't we focus our attention on fixing the actual issues in hip-hop instead of making up new ones?
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I didn't want to say anything as extreme as this because I don't want to get called out by over-sensitive people, but its the damn truth
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sorry to waste anyone's time having to read my comments only to immediately disregard them and call me things, but the people calling this racist are really only perpetuating racism. I never said racism doesn't exist. It does and unfortunately probably always will. But please spend your time calling out actual racist things and not bashing a girl you never would've batted an eye at 3 months ago but now is suddenly racist and inappropriate now that she's found success (which, might I add, much of the hip hop community is congratulating her on).
And finally don't call me out on not having a consistent opinion throughout this thread. There were opinions I disagreed with but then grew to accept because they presented them in a manner that wasn't hateful and targeting me or anyone else, such as the idea that the industry is run in large part by whites. So don't tell me to look at your opinions and try to respect them and then bash me whenever I actually do that.
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I think the truly sad thing about this thread is how certain members are acting just like society as a whole does, "Let's sweep it under the rug because it doesn't effect me personally" yet most of you wouldn't like it if Iggy was appropriating gay culture, using gay people and their struggle and finding success (or maybe you would since anything for a quick kii and exposure of the gay community).
Then, the second line of thinking here is even worse, "Let's find (insert artist) and blame them of appropriating this or being racist" when that's neither here nor there when it comes to this thread. It's clear some of you haven't
A) Read the article in the OP
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B) Just feel Iggy is being attacked based on the title
So you put on your ignorant stan glasses and just start slamming your keyboard as though this thread is a hate thread for Iggy.
This is why ATRL can't have serious discussions. Most of you are too wrapped up in this "YAs I'm a STAN. MY faves can do no wrong! i love POP music and throwing SHADE HUNTEY! YAS" mentality. That's precisely what Doc, Maiko and Latch were making fun of on the last couple of pages yet it probably flew right over most of your heads. Where's the critical thinking or even basic reading comprehension?
Please, don't go out in the real world acting this naive and dismissive to other people's issues. It just makes you look ditzy.
The only way I can understand why you don't get what the article or people in this thread are trying to say is if you live outside the US.
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Why doesnt Flo-Rida, Nelly, and will.i.am get bashed for doing pop (white people) music
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Originally posted by Flare
I think the truly sad thing about this thread is how certain members are acting just like society as a whole does, "Let's sweep it under the rug because it doesn't effect me personally" yet most of you wouldn't like it if Iggy was appropriating gay culture, using gay people and their struggle and finding success (or maybe you would since anything for a quick kii and exposure of the gay community).
Then, the second line of thinking here is even worse, "Let's find (insert artist) and blame them of appropriating this or being racist" when that's neither here nor there when it comes to this thread. It's clear some of you haven't
A) Read the article in the OP
And
B) Just feel Iggy is being attacked based on the title
So you put on your ignorant stan glasses and just start slamming your keyboard as though this thread is a hate thread for Iggy.
This is why ATRL can't have serious discussions. Most of you are too wrapped up in this "YAs I'm a STAN. MY faves can do no wrong! i love POP music and throwing SHADE HUNTEY! YAS" mentality. That's precisely what Doc, Maiko and Latch were making fun of on the last couple of pages yet it probably flew right over most of your heads. Where's the critical thinking or even basic reading comprehension?
Please, don't go out in the real world acting this naive and dismissive to other people's issues. It just makes you look ditzy.
The only way I can understand why you don't get what the article or people in this thread are trying to say is if you live outside the US. |
But didn't Nicki lie and say she was bisexual to get attention?
The pot calling the kettle black ?
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Originally posted by Flare
I think the truly sad thing about this thread is how certain members are acting just like society as a whole does, "Let's sweep it under the rug because it doesn't effect me personally" yet most of you wouldn't like it if Iggy was appropriating gay culture, using gay people and their struggle and finding success (or maybe you would since anything for a quick kii and exposure of the gay community).
Then, the second line of thinking here is even worse, "Let's find (insert artist) and blame them of appropriating this or being racist" when that's neither here nor there when it comes to this thread. It's clear some of you haven't
A) Read the article in the OP
And
B) Just feel Iggy is being attacked based on the title
So you put on your ignorant stan glasses and just start slamming your keyboard as though this thread is a hate thread for Iggy.
This is why ATRL can't have serious discussions. Most of you are too wrapped up in this "YAs I'm a STAN. MY faves can do no wrong! i love POP music and throwing SHADE HUNTEY! YAS" mentality. That's precisely what Doc, Maiko and Latch were making fun of on the last couple of pages yet it probably flew right over most of your heads. Where's the critical thinking or even basic reading comprehension?
Please, don't go out in the real world acting this naive and dismissive to other people's issues. It just makes you look ditzy.
The only way I can understand why you don't get what the article or people in this thread are trying to say is if you live outside the US. |
This is the kind of response I like to see. I may not agree with all of it, but they made good points and arguments without bashing someone or using unnecessary sarcasm. And I realize some of this may be directed at me. And I do agree with a lot of this, although definitely not some of it. Thanks for the good response 
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I read this everyday in the 1234 threads opened daily here in Atrl
The same threads that YOU OP have to close because the race obsessed people go crazy with this threads
Nothing new, no new points, no new opinion that we don't see here daily.
Y'all stay discussing the same thing over and over again.
Y'all are so obsessed with race, get over it.
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Originally posted by Superbitch
I read this everyday in the 1234 threads opened daily here in Atrl
The same threads that YOU OP have to close because the race obsessed people go crazy with this threads
Nothing new, no new points, no new opinion that we don't see here daily.
Y'all stay discussing the same thing over and over again.
Y'all are so obsessed with race, get over it.
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!!1 i thought music is was supposed to be about diversity. but i guess they stuck in the 80's
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BTW I'm hispanic and y'all dont see me complaining about racism everyday and IDK if y'all have any idea but we have a pretty tough time being accepted and especially in the music industry. How many WW latin acts do we have? Shakira, Pitbull, J.LO?? I don't see us complaining about this on the daily.
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Originally posted by Superbitch
I read this everyday in the 1234 threads opened daily here in Atrl
The same threads that YOU OP have to close because the race obsessed people go crazy with this threads
Nothing new, no new points, no new opinion that we don't see here daily.
Y'all stay discussing the same thing over and over again.
Y'all are so obsessed with race, get over it.
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So then just ignore these threads and don't come in to them. If other people are enjoying the discussion, then let them. Who are you to tell people what they can and can't talk about, just because a similar conversation has been had before?
Obviously it's an issue. It's not just going to go away. It's going to be brought up for the rest of her career. It's not like people are going to be like "oh well, we discussed it a lot during her debut and now we're just used to it so whatever, who cares."
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Originally posted by Superbitch
BTW I'm hispanic and y'all dont see me complaining about racism everyday and IDK if y'all have any idea but we have a pretty tough time being accepted and especially in the music industry. Have many WW latin acts do we have? Shakira, Pitbull, J.LO?? I don't see us complaining about this on the daily.
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preach the gospel sis 
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Originally posted by TMTURKEY
!!1 i thought music is was supposed to be about diversity. but i guess they stuck in the 80's
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1980's sis? more like 1950's  they need to stop as I said I'm sure everyone's fave could use some help streaming or buying their songs instead of talking about someone "they don't care" for hours. They complain about Iggy's race and stuff but I bet you they don't go buy albums, or even singles from people they wish were more successful.
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Originally posted by Superbitch
BTW I'm hispanic and y'all dont see me complaining about racism everyday and IDK if y'all have any idea but we have a pretty tough time being accepted and especially in the music industry. How many WW latin acts do we have? Shakira, Pitbull, J.LO?? I don't see us complaining about this on the daily.
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If you don't want to 'complain', then don't. Won't stop others from doing so. Who do you think you are telling another race how to feel and act? Go somewhere.
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Originally posted by Rihinvention
So then just ignore these threads and don't come in to them. If other people are enjoying the discussion, then let them. Who are you to tell people what they can and can't talk about, just because a similar conversation has been had before?
Obviously it's an issue. It's not just going to go away. It's going to be brought up for the rest of her career. It's not like people are going to be like "oh well, we discussed it a lot during her debut and now we're just used to it so whatever, who cares." |
Actually, that is whats going to happen. Eminem had the SAME problem when he came out and now he's like one of the most acclaimed, respected, best selling rappers of all time
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