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Discussion: Talking about Iggy to White people?
Member Since: 9/4/2012
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Originally posted by Latch
I cackled @ the idea of a racist White person being uncomfortable using a Black person as a stepping stone to success
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She's not using him as a stepping stone if she's still with him and signs a contract that let's him control the direction of her career. 
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Originally posted by Latch
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It's not racist at all.  She's making a comment about stereotypes, and there definitely is a stereotype regarding the subject of her tweet. I would have no problem tweeting that myself if I saw the arrest too, and I am not racist by any means.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Quietly Trek
It's not racist at all.
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But the others are, right?
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Originally posted by Quietly Trek
I would have no problem tweeting that myself if I saw the arrest too, and I am not racist by any means.
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Member Since: 9/1/2013
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Originally posted by Quietly Trek
Because every 20 year old has her/his morals and values firmly secured and figured out? Go through this thread and you'll find plenty of discriminatory statements against white people. Go look at threads on this forum where there are racist remarks made against minorities. Age matters. People mature. Some don't. Iggy has yet to make stupid statements like she did in 2010. If she were racist, I think she'd have a very hard time working so closely with T.I.
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The ones that aren't ignorant are . There are tons of young white men and women who understand the inequality and respect required when dealing with neighboring cultures of different races in America. Iggy was a disconnected girl from Australia who doesn't even understand the situation Aboriginals in her home country are going through, but of course she tried the amateur move of saying this. She's trying to defend them, but she doesn't even understand their situation.
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When asked by the interviewer how Aboriginal peoples are treated - she goes to explain that Aboriginal peoples believe that they shouldn’t live in a “confined space”, so they destroy the houses the government has built for them to then sleep under the stars because “that’s how they live” (mind you, housing projects are a rare occurrence and are hardly ever delivered). If she did her research instead of relying completely on what she thinks she knows, she would’ve discovered the real reasons behind poor housing in Indigenous communities. Her comments erase any kind of urban identity that Indigenous peoples have. I’m a little grossed out by the interviewer’s use of outdated and offensive terminology, too
In Walter Kerinauia’s words, from this article which talks about the failure of Indigenous housing in the Northern Territory: "All I want to see is a new house," Kerinauia says. "I would be happy and proud. People here want proper houses to live in. They don’t want overcrowding. If the young people get a new house, they won’t do anything like suicide any more. When they know they are getting a house, they’re going to be really proud, and they’ll look after it. I don’t want to live in this old house any more." This is a clear indication that proper housing is wanted and desperately needed, but the government is not aiding in this issue.
There are many reasons as to why there is poor housing in remote Indigenous communities…
Severe overcrowding where diseases then spread fast as a result. The average number of people living in houses on Palm Island (one of Australia’s biggest Aboriginal communities) is 17 people
Aboriginal peoples are semi-nomadic, so it just doesn’t work for those who are connected strongly to their culture to live in a house for the rest of their life.
Domestic violence, drugs and alcohol plays a big part
Empty promises and by the government (the housing is never built, even after months of discussions and planning)
Fractured families and lack of vital life skills as a result of the Stolen Generations
The aftermath of the Northern Territory Intervention
Many Aboriginal peoples have a cultural obligation to take care of and take in anyone who isn’t sleeping in a house. This is then used against them in conjunction with overcrowding to justify the eviction of tenants. The whole cycle then repeats itself WITHOUT the implication of proper housing
Materials from the houses are sometimes burnt in an attempt to be warm in the cooler months as the structures are so old that the facilities simply don’t work
The houses are falling apart due to neglect and their old age
Builders failing Aboriginal housing. They don’t do their job correctly either because they are under-qualified, use solutions that don’t work according to the climate in different areas or because they’re just lazy and they don’t care
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She doesn't even understand the minorities in her home country. Why would would she innately understand the foreign American ones?
ADDED: their situation is eerily similar to the Native Americans and their government reservations, which are terrible quality and eroded them generation by generation into alcoholism and poverty.
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Originally posted by KareBear
At what age exactly are people supposed to be mature and understand the weight within their words? Because people sure do like making excuses for people who are no longer children. She was 20 and has the ability to pick up the book or use the computer to learn about racism but chose to make those ignorant comments. Of course people make mistakes, I'm almost 20 and I've made plenty of stupid remarks but lets not excuse people for being willingly ignorant.
Iggy is a good rapper and she struggled to get there but lets not pretend being white doesn't afford her some advantages as well.
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Who exactly has the time to hold a grudge against tweets that are over four year's old? I believe we all have more pressing matters to attend to in our own lives. As to your question, if you've made several stupid remarks, then you obviously should understand that Iggy at that age wasn't a walking moral compass nor should you expect her to be.
White privilege wasn't there to catch her if she fell and never made a dent in the industry. She had no higher education to get a competitive job if she failed in music. She still took a huge risk.
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Originally posted by KareBear
At what age exactly are people supposed to be mature and understand the weight within their words?
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Originally posted by KareBear
Because people sure do like making excuses for people who are no longer children.
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Originally posted by KareBear
She was 20 and has the ability to pick up the book or use the computer to learn about racism but chose to make those ignorant comments.
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Originally posted by KareBear
Of course people make mistakes, I'm almost 20 and I've made plenty of stupid remarks but lets not excuse people for being willingly ignorant.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Quietly Trek
White privilege wasn't there to catch her if she fell and never made a dent in the industry.
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1. Was she not White at the time?
2. But it did tho
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Originally posted by Roman Holiday
Lol all the white people getting butthurt. They steal everything, now yall want to steal oppression. |
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I get coming in here and making your point (like I myself did), but when you're in here all night posting the same **** over and over again it's hard to take you seriously. No matter what you're arguing for or how valid and intelligent your points are.
Good night.
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Originally posted by Latch
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But the others are, right?
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Have I said otherwise? Even then, trying to attack someone for something they said at such a young age like they had some sort of flawless moral compass is wrong. I don't care if you or people you know wouldn't say such things. There are still a lot of people that would, and some of them fortunately change for the better. As I said before, Iggy hasn't shown any signs that she still holds any type of discriminatory views.
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Originally posted by HERMES
The ones that aren't ignorant are . There are tons of young white men and women who understand the inequality and respect required when dealing with neighboring cultures of different races in America. Iggy was a disconnected girl from Australia who doesn't even understand the situation Aboriginals in her home country are going through, but of course she tried the amateur move of saying this. She's trying to defend them, but she doesn't even understand their situation.
She doesn't even understand the minorities in her home country. Why would would she innately understand the foreign American ones? |
There are plenty of adolescents that are ignorant and have to find exposure to learn differently. Time does change people who are willing to let it change. Time changes people who are open to learning about differences.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Quietly Trek
Even then, trying to attack someone for something they said at such a young age like they had some sort of flawless moral compass is wrong
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I don't give a damn if she was 32 or .008 months old at the time
What she said was ignorant and derogatory, and she at least knew that much if she knew about #stereotypes at the time
She needed to be called out for it
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by KeirGrey
Oh yeah because fancy is succesful because of the rap. It's succesful because of the HOOK, there is no black female rapper making hooks as catchy as there is in fancy and that's the truth. When Nicki made catchy music she was smashing too.
How have IGGY rap songs done? All flopped
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Okay using this logic, Iggy will only thrive as long as she has catchy hooks. Now, if that's true, Iggy will never have a prosperous career past let's say 2 albums. She'll never be able to strike lightning more times than that.
Based on what you're saying, Iggy's success is temporary and this whole thread is invalid since she'll fade and flop to the pits thus giving her one hit wonder status.
There would be no reason to debate over Iggy if there wasn't a chance she would be a staying force. So, I refute your claims about Iggy just needing a catchy chorus to be successful.
Many mainstream (and even underground) rappers have songs with catchy hooks and those songs remain on Urban or never even chart despite being made for "pop audiences" or with "crossover potential". So I refute that claim too. It just sounds ignorant and lazy.
Iggy's success is bigger than just a chorus. So many other artists (of many other races) would have smashed if it was down to a good chorus to equate a smash, genre aside.
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Member Since: 9/4/2012
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Originally posted by Latch
1. Was she not White at the time?
2. But it did tho
OOP
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Cutting off parts of my quote to make snarky statements doesn't actually work towards your advantage. I'll assume you read all the way through my post, and I'll explain it to you specifically, since it seems like I need to. White privilege wasn't there to catch her if she failed. If she never made a dent in the industry, what was she going to do? Somehow hold a white collar job without any form of higher education or any connections (e.g., nepotism)?
How exactly did it save her? Fancy took off on Top 40 by luck when her other singles hardly made a dent.
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This is so stupid.
And to the people mocking her accent, get the **** over it.
She likes rap and why should YOU take it away from her?
Not really a big fan of her album but this **** needs to stop. It's not like half of your faves are the "realest" as well. Most of them are fake. That's what all of these hollywood stars are, FAKE. Now run along and move on with your life.
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Originally posted by Quietly Trek
Who exactly has the time to hold a grudge against tweets that are over four year's old? I believe we all have more pressing matters to attend to in our own lives. As to your question, if you've made several stupid remarks, then you obviously should understand that Iggy at that age wasn't a walking moral compass nor should you expect her to be.
White privilege wasn't there to catch her if she fell and never made a dent in the industry. She had no higher education to get a competitive job if she failed in music. She still took a huge risk.
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You don't have to hold a grudge but I can choose to judge an artists character or whether I want to support them based on how they present themselves as a person which in her case was making racist remarks. I don't think she's made any more dumb remarks since and hopefully learned from her mistakes but I do like some of her music and I do support her. I'm just saying it seems like you're making excuses for a then 20 year old who should have known better.
And being white does give Iggy a large white audience(big sales), so yes a bit of white privilege
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Member Since: 9/1/2013
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Originally posted by Quietly Trek
Have I said otherwise? Even then, trying to attack someone for something they said at such a young age like they had some sort of flawless moral compass is wrong. I don't care if you or people you know wouldn't say such things. There are still a lot of people that would, and some of them fortunately change for the better. As I said before, Iggy hasn't shown any signs that she still holds any type of discriminatory views.
There are plenty of adolescents that are ignorant and have to find exposure to learn differently. Time does change people who are willing to let it change. Time changes people who are open to learning about differences.
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That video was a year ago.
So at one point she's 16: "She'll grow up."
20: "She's changed."
a year back, at 23 you're still using the: "Time changes people who are open to learning about differences."
THE WORST.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Quietly Trek
Cutting off parts of my quote to make snarky statements doesn't actually work towards your advantage. I'll assume you read all the way through my post, and I'll explain it to you specifically, since it seems like I need to. White privilege wasn't there to catch her if she failed. If she never made a dent in the industry, what was she going to do? Somehow hold a white collar job without any form of higher education or any connections (e.g., nepotism)?
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White privilege wasn't there to catch her if she failed
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Member Since: 9/4/2012
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Originally posted by Latch
I don't give a damn if she was 32 or .008 months old at the time
What she said was ignorant and derogatory, and she at least knew that much if she knew about #stereotypes at the time
She needed to be called out for it
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Cool. People certainly have a right to ask her about her past tweets/opinions/view/etc., but the past is the past if her present doesn't reflect it, and it doesn't. There's no need to hold a grudge against her like people, including yourself, are doing.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Quietly Trek
Cool. People certainly have a right to ask her about her past tweets/opinions/view/etc., but the past is the past if her present doesn't reflect it, and it doesn't. There's no need to hold a grudge against her like people, including yourself, are doing.
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WHo holdin a grudge?
I'm bopping to Fancy on mah phone right now
I said baby, I do dis
I thought that you knew dis
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