[YouBetterPopBitch]

Originally posted by iHypeMusic

and more, .

1. If you get 1 billion listens...HOW WOULD YOU NOT BE THE MOST POPULAR TRACK? Anything that is listened to 1 billion times in a week, and is classified as a track, is the most popular song. You shot yourself in the foot.

2. I said One Direction WOULD be an example of someone to possibly go #1 all the time. I never said anything about them having huge #1's. They've released tracks that have done over 500k with relatively no airplay. What makes you think they wouldn't be urged by their label to do that even more if it guarantees them a #1?

3. Radio bases hits off popular artists, callout scores (what listeners think themselves), and requests. So you constantly acting like radio plays no role in what GP likes = incorrect. The same people you highlighted on the digital chart, also have some of the biggest hits of 2013-2014 (minus Britney of course!) so it's not like we're being forced to hear songs from people we don't like?

4. Yeah, no. By that chart logic "Work Bitch" would've been a Top 5 hit. Nobody knows the song exists. Bringing up it's sales that dropped, it's VEVO views that still didn't translate to even Gold sales, etc won't change that!

OMG take a seat mate, this is embarrassing

I don't know what you're trying to say but... just give up. Like wtf is this comparison with 1D ? Whatever her number of #1, she still managed to have big successful songs that are remembered worldwide.
And the princess of pop is not bothered in any way

[iHype.]

Originally posted by 4AM.

1) See the definition of popular (you might like the words in there!).

2) I think they ARE urged to sell a lot (since that actually generates a profit) without having to rely on radio!

3) Popular artists with songs that might be unpopular (WHYB again!), and callout scores, but then also payola. Radio might be influenced by what we like, but that relationship is not reciprocal and that was my point.

4) Sooo what's your point? Still would have peaked high. That's the point, not sustainability. #1's are achieved by peak; they don't have to sustain themselves (see most #1 debuts post-2000).

Why do you keep ignoring me using a point that popular artists (One Direction again!!) who have songs that are unpopular to the GP could send them #1 to digital but then use this point. Mind you this occurrence happens MUCH more than it does with radio on digital (5SOS, Lana, Linkin Park, etc being examples from the last 2 months alone!).

[iHype.]

Originally posted by YouBetterPopBitch

OMG take a seat mate, this is embarrassing

I don't know what you're trying to say but... just give up. Like wtf is this comparison with 1D ? Whatever her number of #1, she still managed to have big successful songs that are remembered worldwide.
And the princess of pop is not bothered in any way

You don't know what anything we're talking about, but you're saying I'm embarassing?
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[Retro]

Originally posted by Work Bitch

Work Bitch is almost Platinum though.

Might be even closer now that the RIAA accepts streaming (another consumer-fueled medium!).

Did I mention that the RIAA counts sales AND streaming, but not radio? How intriguing!

[gagakyle]

The radio ban excuses

[Rolland]

Originally posted by 4AM.

You can't discount part of the GP and pretend they don't count, nobody cares what sales are sustained when we're only talking about peaks, AirPlay will never determine what the GP actually likes (for proof, see some hits from the woman literally in my avi right now), and what happens then is that they are a #1 hit and your own definition of hit has no bearing on that.

Most of Rihanna's #1s (if not all) have sold more than Britney's.
So what's your point?

Originally posted by Anthony K.

The reason for them reaching #1 or not doesn't actually matter - People bought, people know it better than DJs and they will ALWAYS know better, whether you like it or not.

However, if that was indeed true, why didn't 'Work Bitch' (or several of her 2nd, 3rd and 4th singles) didn't go #1 as well? If the GP doesn't buy your song, it won't go #1, end of story. :-/ Most fanbases don't account for even half of a song's sales in a week, let alone all of them (but hey, thanks for thinking so highly of us). Again, stop embarrassing yourself, for Christ's sake. I'll let it pass one last time because your favorite singer hasn't managed to get a solo #1 single in the US since 2000 (and most likely will never get one again), so I understand it's best for you to try to discredit sales when airplay was such a, err, friend of hers... Last millenium.

Radio deals? Good thing you added a "?" there, cause none of Britney's singles have had such deals - except maybe for, lol, Ooh La La, and that is still very debatable.

Last, but not least: anyone who follows charts would know about "#1s for weeks and months), it doesn't mean, however, our "faves" have managed, manage right now or will EVER manage to do so again, especially by themselves, as you, being a Xtina fan, know better than anyone over here.

P.S.: Thanks for helping my point that only HIAM fell fast on the Hot 100 after the 1st week, as the other two songs spent over 2 months inside the Top 10, even minimal or zero promo and only backed by Pop radio stations.

LMAO, I already said why. The formula has changed, and now it takes more than front-loaded sales to get the #1 spot. Three consecutive lead singles reached #1 only one week, there was obviously a pattern. We are specifically talking about front-loaded sales during the first week, which 99.9% of the time are carried by fan-bases, no brainer situation.

What does Xtina have to do in here? What a desperate move, so butthurt. And just so you know she was indeed able to maintain her #1s for more than just a week, just saying, since you asked. The point still stands, Britney just got those #1s (one week wonders) thanks to front-loaded sales mainly carried by her fanbase, period. You can keep your essays full of nonsense. She wouldn't have gotten them with the current formula, see Ariana's Problem for reference.

End of story .

[iHype.]

Originally posted by 4AM.

Did I mention that the RIAA counts sales AND streaming, but not radio? How intriguing!

Do you even hear yourself?

What would be the need to count airplay in for? "Platinum airplay hit Fancy moves up!".

[Retro]

Originally posted by iHypeMusic

Why do you keep ignoring me using a point that popular artists (One Direction again!!) who have songs that are unpopular to the GP could send them #1 to digital but then use this point. Mind you this occurrence happens MUCH more than it does with radio on digital (5SOS, Lana, Linkin Park, etc being examples from the last 2 months alone!).

The "GP" is everyone buying songs. If a song can get #1, then the GP likes it enough. Splintering the GP into sectors to explain this and write the songs off does nothing to change the sales. Lot of people hate Blurred Lines, but look how that did! Lots of people dislike Taylor Swift, but look at her songs and her debuts!

[Retro]

Originally posted by iHypeMusic

Do you even hear yourself?

What would be the need to count airplay in for? "Platinum airplay hit Fancy moves up!".

Yes, I hear myself showing that I'm not alone in thinking airplay is no indication of popularity. There's a reason it's not certified even though cumulative AI is now readily available to the RIAA.

[Retro]

Originally posted by Rolland

Most of Rihanna's #1s (if not all) have sold more than Britney's.
So what's your point?

That even she has songs people didn't want to buy but still had to hear all over radio.

[iHype.]

Originally posted by 4AM.

The "GP" is everyone buying songs. If a song can get #1, then the GP likes it enough. Splintering the GP into sectors to explain this and write the songs off does nothing to change the sales. Lot of people hate Blurred Lines, but look how that did! Lots of people dislike Taylor Swift, but look at her songs and her debuts!

"We Belong Together" the biggest radio song of the DECADE with the highest all-time weekly impressions for almost a decade peaked #2 on Digital -- so by that charting, it would've never reached #1 for even 1 week.

"Not a Bad Thing" currently #2 on Airplay, not even Top 25 on iTunes is accurate?

Literally, you also have to factor with a sales only chart Urban songs would likely ALMOST NEVER go #1. Like once in a few years, at most. (And no, let's not bring white Urban acts into this aka Eminem and Macklemore as some type of example).

[family.guy123]

How many #1's does she have in countries where there wasn't a ban? UK? Australia? France? Germany? etc...would be interesting to see.

[YouBetterPopBitch]

Originally posted by iHypeMusic

You don't know what anything we're talking about, but you're saying I'm embarassing?

Please be quiet, and stop sucking up.

No you don't get it. I don't know what YOU're trying to say with all your great arguments, I totally get what 4AM is saying though. I totally understand that you don't like Britney and it's an opportunity to bash her, no problem, it's okay
But just conclude mate. Why do you absolutely want to have the last word ?
And "be quiet" really ?!

But whatever, if you're enjoying this discussion, keep going on.

[iHype.]

Originally posted by YouBetterPopBitch

I don't know what YOU're trying to say with all your great arguments, I totally get what 4AM is saying though.

We're discussing the same thing, so it makes no sense at all you wouldn't understand what 1 person was saying. I also don't hate Britney.

[Retro]

Originally posted by iHypeMusic

"We Belong Together" the biggest radio song of the DECADE with the highest all-time weekly impressions for almost a decade peaked #2 on Digital -- so by that charting, it would've never reached #1 for even 1 week.

"Not a Bad Thing" currently #2 on Airplay, not even Top 25 on iTunes is accurate?

Literally, you also have to factor with a sales only chart Urban songs would likely ALMOST NEVER go #1. Like once in a few years, at most. (And no, let's not bring white Urban acts into this aka Eminem and Macklemore as some type of example).

Yep, WBT wasn't the biggest seller and clearly consumer intent didn't match what radio was playing those weeks as far as WBT itself (it's also worth noting that 2003-2005 was a down-period for sales anyway).

And nope, it's not accurate - NABT doesn't reflect consumer intent either with the great disparity between radio success and moderate-to-low sales.

And sure, urban isn't really that popular right now in sales. That's unfortunate and urban acts deserve better recognition, but the simple facts are that there is not enough consumer interest in urban singles to get a #1 sales hit at the moment. That doesn't really change anything.

[YouBetterPopBitch]

Originally posted by iHypeMusic

We're discussing the same thing, so it makes no sense at all you wouldn't understand what 1 person was saying. I also don't hate Britney, so again please stop talking x2.

If you feel the need to lie, then do you.

If I feel the need to lie ?! WTF OK if you say so...

Oh just, please stop talking too. Thank you.

[Retro]

Originally posted by family.guy123

How many #1's does she have in countries where there wasn't a ban? UK? Australia? France? Germany? etc...would be interesting to see.

I get the point you're leading to, but her strongest market is easily the US. If the US were to have a chart model akin to that of the UK, she'd have something like 12+, with 7 in the digital age alone.

[iHype.]

Originally posted by 4AM.

Yep, WBT wasn't the biggest seller and clearly consumer intent didn't match what radio was playing at the time (it's also worth noting that 2003-2005 was a down-period for sales anyway).

And nope, it's not accurate - NABT doesn't reflect consumer intent either with the great disparity between radio success and moderate-to-low sales.

And sure, urban isn't really that popular right now in sales. That's unfortunate and urban acts deserve better recognition, but the simple facts are that there is not enough consumer interest in urban singles to get a #1 sales hit at the moment. That doesn't really change anything.

Yes, it does. http://kworb.net/radio/ Under Urban, almost all the top songs are never Top 100 on iTunes.

It would make absolutely no sense if songs as big as "Partition", "Loyal", and "The Worst" never even get the chance to chart on Hot 100 because the Urban consumer doesn't like to buy music most of the time.

It would become completely inaccurate if most Urban music was directly wiped off the chart.
This also applies with Rock, Country to an extent, etc.

Basing it off sales would just be a gateway for Pop to completely rule the chart.

[frantic]

Originally posted by Janie

I remember her team not releasing first singles physical because they wanted the album to sell more. it's annoying but it worked tbh

also the radioban is not an "excuse". it really happened and damaged her chart performance

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[Retro]

Originally posted by iHypeMusic

Yes, it does. http://kworb.net/radio/ Under Urban, almost all the top songs are never Top 100 on iTunes.

It would make absolutely no sense if songs as big as "Partition", "Loyal", and "The Worst" never even get the chance to chart on Hot 100 because the Urban consumer doesn't like to buy music most of the time.

It would become completely inaccurate if most Urban music was directly wiped off the chart.
This also applies with Rock, Country to an extent, etc.

Basing it off sales would just be a gateway for Pop to completely rule the chart.

But pop dominating a commercial chart makes perfect sense anyways - pop itself is literally derived from the old definition of "pop" which was simply "popular music". Pop is commercialized and aimed squarely at the charts, while not all Urban music holds the same intent. HDS for example is very strongly pop oriented, because that's simply what people buy.