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Discussion: I Don't Agree With Homosexuality
Member Since: 3/2/2014
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I love cafeteria Christians just picking and choosing what they want to subscribe to while ignoring everything else in the book that was originally written by Jewish people. You never see an atheist saying they don't agree with homosexuality that's because for a lot of people religion is a mask to hid their hatred and bigotry "it's against God" everything FUN is. Sorry, I'd rather live my life my way. If "God" gave us free thought than it's not my fault is it? Straight people make gaybies and if "God" has a plan for us all then it's all his fault and I want a refund. What kind of sick "God" makes people only to be condemned? And if there was a God he/she is pretty petty and jealous, right? I don't mind Jesus it's his stans I have a problem with.
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Member Since: 11/7/2011
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Originally posted by Cherry
Homosexuality violates my religious views so I actually do not agree with it. It's a life choice that I don't partake in and would rather others not, but I can only live my own life.
I don't think of myself as a homophobe. I'm not scared of gay people and I don't hate them either. I love everyone!
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GOOD. BYE.
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Member Since: 3/2/2014
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Originally posted by 4AM.
Cool it. You're not going to get anywhere belittling religion.
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Why can't we belittle religion?
One of the complaints leveled against me is, "Oh, Bill, you're such a meanie. Why do you have to go after religion? It gives people comfort; it doesn't hurt anything."
" Okay, well, other than most wars, the Crusades, the Inquisition, 9/11, arranged marriages to minors, blowing up girls' schools, the suppression of women and homosexuals, fatwas, ethnic cleansing, honor rape, human sacrifice, burning witches, suicide bombings, condoning slavery, and the systematic f***ing of children, there's a few little things I have a problem with."
Bill Maher.
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Member Since: 7/22/2012
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Originally posted by KingOfUrbanPop
They're also REAL theologists that don't even agree with homosexuality and don't believe those verses are a against homosexuals and actually talking about prostitution at temples when the translated early Hebrew copies but at the end of the day we don't know exactly what has happened to the verses over the years.
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I feel like I should make a thread discussing if theology is real science but it would be closed too soon. 
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Member Since: 7/23/2010
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Originally posted by fabilicious
I feel like I should make a thread discussing if theology is real science but it would be closed too soon. |
There are two types of science: hard science which are the natural sciences and soft science where theology and the humanities fall under.
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Member Since: 8/6/2012
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Originally posted by fabbriche
Calling the Bible a fairytale is just as ignorant as saying homosexuality is a choice.
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Please explain how that's ignorant? I've read the Bible. Fairytale is not an insult. But that's what the stories in the Bible are.
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Member Since: 5/12/2012
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We all come from different backgrounds and some people may not agree with homosexuality, as in them believing it may not be the best lifestyle or whatever, and that is fine for them to believe that as long as they don't go out of their way to force that belief on others.
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Member Since: 4/20/2012
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the opinion lies in agreeing with the lifestyle or not. and nobody is obligated to agree with it just because it exists.
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Originally posted by 4AM.
I don't agree with enchiladas or sour Skittles tbh.
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how un-American 
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Member Since: 7/23/2010
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Originally posted by PoisonPill
Please explain how that's ignorant? I've read the Bible. Fairytale is not an insult. But that's what the stories in the Bible are.
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No fairytale book whose correct interpretation has been a subject of debate for nearly 2 millenia now. No fairytale book has been viciously attacked, banned, burned, mocked, ridiculed, defamed throughout the history of its existence. No fairytale book is supported by archaelogy and history. No people have been put to death for simply possessing a fairytale book. No fairytale book has transformed countless number of lives. It's easy to dismiss the Bible as a fairytale when you don't know the history contained in it and the history that goes along with it. And that is no different than the people who keep on pushing their homosexuality-is-a-choice agenda. They don't bother to keep an open-mind to educate themselves on matters that they don't experience first hand or are against their worldview.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Tbh, I don't care if people "don't understand". It's fine, as long as you tolerate. To completely change everyone's mentality and understanding will take a few more generations.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Growing up in religious schools and church, I can say I've seen so many people live miserable lives and die miserable because they still expect God to come down and shine a light.
I feel like some people become a slave to the bible, when you're falling into the hype of a religion and not a relationship with God.
The Bible is just (well it was originally) a book that was written to show the growth of humanity with God's guidance. It was never written nor intended to be an instruction book. After Jesus died for our sins, the New Testament shows people being able to grow as a society and learn and develop together, rather than live through God's exact word.
The reason why there is a New Testament and Old Testament is because there was an old way of living and a new way of living. The Old testament shows how people were guided by God and his word. The new, is to show the independence of humanity. Of course, God does't just disappear. But he gave us the freedom, as the story is told.
I feel like Christians forget the main message of the bible is to love each other and to focus on having a loving relationship with God. That's it. We're to try and be the best humans we can be, and die knowing we lived as God intended.
People instead fall into the hype of Christianity, and learn to hate one another because they feel that anyone who disobey's God's word should be harassed and verbally or physically attacked, is actually destroying the whole point of the bible.
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Member Since: 4/3/2014
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Originally posted by Cherry
Well, not exactly. It's not just allowing the thoughts to stay in my head and just not having sex. The goal is for those thoughts to go away by fighting my personal spiritual battles by strengthening my relationship with Jesus.
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Sounds like you're in love with Jesus.
I have only read the first five or six pages of this thread and it's all a MESS. People saying its a choice when it's not, lmao. Come on people it's 2014. I understand how religious can be people some times and I don't want to sound mean but everyone should accept their selfs. Cherry is a good example of a frustrated homosexual who has been educated as a Christian slave.
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Member Since: 7/22/2012
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Originally posted by fabbriche
There are two types of science: hard science which are the natural sciences and soft science where theology and the humanities fall under.
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I know. That's not the point.
Can anyone find a english version of something like this?
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Member Since: 2/5/2014
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Originally posted by BadMonster
Honey, please realise religion was a way to keep the people dumb in the middle ages and it has always been used as a means for that.... Religion has always been a way for a group of people to have control over others, it prevents people from thinking for themselves, like us atheists do.. of course gays don't choose to be bullied, but we know better and know that it's wrong, we shouldn't wish the same wrong on someone else, cuz we do know better than that
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So I've kept my mouth shut on most of this discussion, but this SERIOUSLY went way too far over the line.
I cannot for the life of me understand how someone from a community that promotes acceptance, and tolerance and understanding, would be so damn rude against an entire group of people.
Excuse me, religion is not just for dumb hicks who bed their sisters. I myself am religious, and I am a freaking premed ChemBe engineer at Johns Hopkins, so don't generalize all religious people as people who are just not as enlightened as you, atheists. In my IB TOK class, we engaged in several discussions on the nature of religion, and I've taken philosophy classes that debated the very merit of religion. I've engaged academically with the notion, but ultimately I still believe in my religion. It's atheists like you who bully religious people just as much as the fanatical religious people used to bully you for your sexuality. The sheer hypocrisy of your actions speak for themselves. I've had several friends who've been atheist - one of my closest friends in high school was staunchly atheist - yet she respected my religious beliefs as I respected her decision to not have the same belief system as myself.
Religion is how I turn for guidance and hope, and support. Its my support system when I'm on my own or upset, and with all the messed up stuff in this world - school shootings, terrorist attacks, hate crimes - I have to believe that all of this is for a reason. Religion is how I get through the day.
So how DARE you judge me for that? I don't take kindly to people who mock my religion and question my intelligence?
That's my 0.02
PS. Also not homophobic. I'm an active ally on my campus, and one of my closest friends is gay so YES people - you can be religious and not a homophobe or be anti-homosexuality.
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Member Since: 12/9/2009
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Originally posted by fabbriche
No fairytale book whose correct interpretation has been a subject of debate for nearly 2 millenia now. No fairytale book has been viciously attacked, banned, burned, mocked, ridiculed, defamed throughout the history of its existence. No fairytale book is supported by archaelogy and history. No people have been put to death for simply possessing a fairytale book. No fairytale book has transformed countless number of lives. It's easy to dismiss the Bible as a fairytale when you don't know the history contained in it and the history that goes along with it. And that is no different than the people who keep on pushing their homosexuality-is-a-choice agenda. They don't bother to keep an open-mind to educate themselves on matters that they don't experience first hand or are against their worldview.
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IDC about this fairytale nonsense you and whomever are arguing about but I just wanna let you know that your argument for why the bible is not a fairytale is a logical fallacy. If a group has a certain quality, then every member of the group doesn't have to have the same quality, or multiple qualities. It's called a sweeping generalization. All those things you listed are very pretty, emotional and evocative but ultimately, illogical. If you're gonna try and combat the infidels, you should probably have a coherent argument.
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Member Since: 2/5/2014
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Originally posted by TheAmerican
Why can't we belittle religion?
One of the complaints leveled against me is, "Oh, Bill, you're such a meanie. Why do you have to go after religion? It gives people comfort; it doesn't hurt anything."
" Okay, well, other than most wars, the Crusades, the Inquisition, 9/11, arranged marriages to minors, blowing up girls' schools, the suppression of women and homosexuals, fatwas, ethnic cleansing, honor rape, human sacrifice, burning witches, suicide bombings, condoning slavery, and the systematic f***ing of children, there's a few little things I have a problem with."
Bill Maher.
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I've also seen religion bring together people in philanthropy and establish a support system. I've seen religion bring about great acts of kindness. I've heard entire groups of stories from friends. My friend from Louisiana's partner from across the country organized an entire food drive, with people donating clothes, food organizing volunteers to come help, construction companies donate free times to communities in the aftermath of Katrina, not just to help out their fellow Christians but to help out the people in general.
I choose to believe in a world where the good outweighs the evil. So if religion can bring about even one good act of kindness, then that's something worth defending.
While I absolutely agree that religion has brought about some of this world's greatest atrocities, let's not pretend that many of the world's sufferings is just inherent to human nature. We are a prideful and selfish race after all if the Stanford Prison Experiment taught us anything, it was that.
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