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News: Medicare can now pay for sex-changes!!
Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by KyKy
My grandma who is on a fixed income has to pay 20-40$ for each dr visit  |
Literally criminal but people in this thread are wrong for complaining about it.
I cannot.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by xDiamondx
Typical. All I see in some posts is crying "victim" when you're the ones who are trying to marginalize the struggles of transgenders.
It's true that not every transgender suffers gender dysphoria (some don't even want the SRS; as dressing and acting as the gender they KNOW they are is good enough; and their friends and family treating them as such is a plus). However, for the ones that DO, having a SRS is the step in the right direction. |
Something I said pages ago but I'm just 100% incorrect according to certain people in this thread. 
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Member Since: 3/1/2014
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ok, i didn't know medicare was just for the elderly (  ) but its really sad that they won't cover hearing, eye, foot problems, etc... for the elderly. its the biggest issues they face. wow
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Member Since: 8/1/2012
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Originally posted by Cupid
There was a story recently about an ex-soldier, a veteran who wanted to get a sex-change. A person who put their life on the line, fighting for their country, to bring freedom, all whilst battling inside with who they really are. Spending their whole life dealing with this issue but laying down their life for their country. Before you talk about priorities, maybe you should look up some of these stories and read about the people behind the statistics.
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Meanwhile there are elderly people who are deaf while hearing aid doesn't get covered.
But I guess switching gender is more important than hearing 
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Originally posted by Flare
Wow sources so amazing. Those sources changed my life. 
Here's a source: http://www.seniorcorps.org/medicare/...r-dental-care/
Read up on why eyesight isn't covered by Medicare.
If the same excuse was being used, gender reassignment surgeries wouldn't be covered either.
That's why both should be covered. We as people, shouldn't have to pick and choose what should be covered. More things should be covered.
End of discussion.
If you think otherwise, then you haven't lived outside the US and seen how well other forms of health care work.
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There you go, that's how you provide sources! And with only slight condescension, how mature!
If the legitimacy of "Senior Corps" is to be trusted, and we'll assume it is despite eyesight only being mentioned ridiculously briefly in a section about dental work, then it would appear that eyesight isn't covered due to an unfortunate statute that would require an "act of Congress" to overturn. Additionally, the site intimates that eyesight was ruled out because it is not treated by "physicians in hospitals." This is obviously antiquated and many other issues are now covered that would fall under the same umbrella; there's no reason to pick on gender dysphoria. If the path to covering eyesight weren't so unreasonable (politically speaking, that is), I'm sure it would be covered. The topic of this thread, however, did not require an act of Congress. You shouldn't be so hostile just because gender dysphoria - well, mental disorders in general, really - wasn't recognized at the creation of Medicare. I'm not speaking for everyone, but I don't believe most would argue that eyesight shouldn't be covered based on principle, just that the two cases are different in both their biological effects on people, urgency, and now, according to your source, politically. Unfortunately I have other things to do, perhaps we can continue this sometime later. 
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Originally posted by Flare
My trans friends whom I've known for years upon years and I adore, disagree.
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Giving me 'I'm not racist, I have black friends!' teas. 
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Member Since: 8/11/2012
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Originally posted by Tennis Court
Are you on Medicare/over the age of 65?
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No
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Member Since: 11/8/2011
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I can't tell if the people who are saying eyesight and hearing for the elderly aren't important are trolling or 
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by WoozyFloozy
There you go, that's how you provide sources! And with only slight condescension, how mature!
If the legitimacy of "Senior Corps" is to be trusted, and we'll assume it is despite eyesight only being mentioned ridiculously briefly in a section about dental work, then it would appear that eyesight isn't covered due to an unfortunate statute that would require an "act of Congress" to overturn. Additionally, the site intimates that eyesight was ruled out because it is not treated by "physicians in hospitals." This is obviously antiquated and many other issues are now covered that would fall under the same umbrella; there's no reason to pick on gender dysphoria. If the path to covering eyesight weren't so unreasonable (politically speaking, that is), I'm sure it would be covered. The topic of this thread, however, did not require an act of Congress. You shouldn't be so hostile just because gender dysphoria - well, mental disorders in general, really - wasn't recognized at the creation of Medicare. I'm not speaking for everyone, but I don't believe most would argue that eyesight shouldn't be covered based on principle, just that the two cases are different in both their biological effects on people, urgency, and now, according to your source, politically. Unfortunately I have other things to do, perhaps we can continue this sometime later. |
Or basically, they both should be covered?
That's all you had to say, honestly.
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Originally posted by NLX
Fix-A-Flat only costs about $20
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Member Since: 3/14/2013
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Originally posted by Cupid
The real irony is that by saying trans people don't deserve this, they're actually fighting against their OWN rights. It's sad to see gay people against LGBT movements and progression.
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Exactly.
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
There are several "cheaper alternatives" to dealing with depression and anxiety than having surgery anyway you slice it. Suicide is still a choice that an individual chooses based on their mental state, and does not automatically make surgery a necessity. It also doesn't mean it is the government's obligation to pay for it.
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Spoken like someone who doesn't understand the pain of being born in the wrong body. Which is odd considering that being born gay should at least enlighten a few of you somewhat in a society that prides itself on societal norms.
It's easy to associate the symptoms of gender dysphoria with any other anxiety and depression of other illnesses but it doesn't mean you are actually helping cure the source of those symptoms.
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Originally posted by Flare
Something I said pages ago but I'm just 100% incorrect according to certain people in this thread. |
Not the way I read this thread so far.
The fact is, it's a damn blessing to have this country progress on social issues. That even transgenders are being recognized in their plight.
It's really simple. For transgenders who have GD, having this covered will make it easier for them to adjust and be the person they really are. For many others, it's not an issue.
But this whole thread is about trivializing SRS to a mere cosmetic issue. Which is ridiculous and shows how backwards that logic is.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by Ice Cream Clouds
Giving me 'I'm not racist, I have black friends!' teas. |
Sorry, I am racist and transphobic.
Let me go post it up on Facebook for the world to know.
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Originally posted by Cupid
Improved hearing > Saving a life.
Sure...
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Saving a life. Okay. Suicide is a personal choice. Yes, there will be factors that will influence people to commit it but at the end of the day it's their choice.
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Originally posted by Flare
Or basically, they both should be covered?
That's all you had to say, honestly.
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Well that's a strawman. Basically that they are just purely different cases, just like everyone has been saying. In more ways than one.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by WoozyFloozy
Well that's a strawman. Basically that they are just purely different cases, just like everyone has been saying. In more ways than one.
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Sorry but it's established they are different.
That's like the most obvious fact of obvious things in this thread. I'm past that.
That's why I'm arguing the case that both (and more) should be covered.
Yet it seems, nobody cares about hearing, seeing or even walking.
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Originally posted by King B
Saving a life. Okay. Suicide is a personal choice. Yes, there will be factors that will influence people to commit it but at the end of the day it's their choice.
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gurl,
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Member Since: 4/22/2012
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Originally posted by Iman
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Any proof its not? If I'm gonna pull the trigger on myself I'm the one doing it not someone else.
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Originally posted by King B
Any proof its not? If I'm gonna pull the trigger on myself I'm the one doing it not someone else.
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Do you know what depression is?
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Member Since: 4/27/2012
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Originally posted by King B
Any proof its not? If I'm gonna pull the trigger on myself I'm the one doing it not someone else.
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Usually there's a mental issue behind it, it's not as if people just wake up and think "hmm maybe I'll kill myself today". You sound ignorant.
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The problem is not you guys feeling that they should be covering other things, the problem comes in when you devalue trans people and their struggles.
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