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Discussion: Why is Rihanna forgiven for so many underperfoming singles?
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Originally posted by swissman
I don't think people are as threatened by her as they are of Katy and Gaga, thus mentioning things like California King Bed, You Da One, etc. are less cited than Judas or Applause (which was a decent hit) or Unconditionally.
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Well Applause was a lead single. She had already achieved 3 number 1s in the Loud era by the time CKB was released.So let's be fair.
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CKB flopped idk how . She promoted it a few times  I guess top 40 hit is still good
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Originally posted by TheNight
Rihanna has plenty of hits, there's no denying that, but this statement just isn't true. Here's the ratio of Top 10 singles to those below the Top 10 for Gaga, Katy, and Rihanna in the US. (I included singles each artist is featured on as well, since some of Rihanna's biggest hits are features.)
Gaga: 13/18 singles
Katy: 13/19 singles
Rihanna: 25/54 single
Now, if you find the common denominator for each, it's easier to see how they match up. (These numbers are a bit outrageous, but what can I say? It's the lowest common denominator. What they mean is that, based on their current hit-to-flop ratio, theoretically, if each artist put out 18,468 singles (  ), Gaga would have 13,338 Top 10's, Katy would have 12,636 Top 10's, and Rihanna would have 8,550 Top 10's.)
Gaga: 13,338/18,468 singles
Katy: 12,636/18,468 singles
Rihanna: 8,550/18,468 singles
I reiterate, Rihanna has plenty of Top 10's - just under twice as many as the two other artists I mentioned - but using her hit-to-flop ratio as a reason to ignore her underperformances is flawed logic.
And before some of you come at me - and you will - I'm not bashing any of the artists I mentioned. They all have their strengths, and they all have their weaknesses. I'm just pointing out some flawed logic on the part of some fans, and nothing more. |
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Originally posted by Bey_Rihstan
That's great, but I don't think I was talking about Katy.
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Yeah, but the point of this thread is why is she forgiven for flop singles, and you have an answer that could apply to either of these girls, or more so Katy.
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Originally posted by NewRihannaStan
CKB flopped idk how . She promoted it a few times I guess top 40 hit is still good |
I only remember 2 performances.
I guess people were Not here for CountRih from Rihanna 
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Originally posted by Fenty The Great
Rihanna had 3 back to back #1 singles that era sis She didn't need to rush anything.She was already recording TTT when LOUD was slaying. You can't come for her when other girls are struggling to keep momentum past the first single
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Four.
Billboard count Love The Way You Lie, and lbr, the only reason that song hit #1 was because of Rih's chorus.
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Originally posted by Rihinvention
13 out her 53 singles that have been sent to radio have gone to #1 on the Billboard Hot 100, which is 25% of her singles. That's not 25% of them performing well, that's 25% of them going to number 1. And statistically there's bound to be a few flops in there considering she has so many singles. Oh and that 53 includes features so don't even try it.
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But the thread asks why someone like Katy who has 47% of her singles go to #1 (that includes features too) is dragged more for a song that flops.
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Originally posted by Jawni
Yeah, but the point of this thread is why is she forgiven for flop singles, and you have an answer that could apply to either of these girls, or more so Katy.
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Well I wouldn't count Katy, because she's the only pop girl that can compete with Rih in the singles area tbh
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Let's get this straight tho
Right Now - 0 promo, no video - Top 50 (G.U.Y - Video and performance, 76 I think?)
What Now - video, 1 performance in UK - Top 25, bigger than other lead singles.
Cockiness - No video, 1 performance + she released Diamonds 2 weeks after
Talk That Talk - No video, 1 UK performance
Man Down - Huge hit in Europe + no performance
CKB - well this was a flop
So, LACK OF PROMO would be the explanation. Please stop trying to say she has so many flops when it's not the truth
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Because no one outside of ATRL and the Billboard offices gives a ****.
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Flops in the US
#64 Rockstar - video + 1 tv performance
#37 Californica King Bed - video + 2 TV performances - +160M views
#59 Man Down - only video - +260M V
#31 TTT - none
#14 YD1 - only video (platinum) - +100M V
#50 Right Now - none
#25 What Now - video - +95M V
when will your faves flops get Vevo certified?
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Originally posted by sgcat
But katy has a higher percentage of singles hitting #1 right?
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Of course, but this isn't a competition. You're just asking why she's forgiven, and like this person said:
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Originally posted by Ressti
"Forgiven"? Why should anyone have to be forgiven for a flop? What is there to forgive?  |
There's nothing to forgive. No one forgives Rihanna because she picks up her **** and she moves on. People don't see What Now as flopping because no one ever really expected it to smash. That was her expressing her artistic integrity with that video. That was risky af, especially when she had Jump, Nobody's Business and Phresh Out The Runway on her album.
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Originally posted by EloiseheartsRiRi
Well Applause was a lead single. She had already achieved 3 number 1s in the Loud era by the time CKB was released.So let's be fair.
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Yes it was a lead but my point was that it did far better than people make it out to have. And I'm saying this as someone who really dislikes the song.
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Originally posted by swissman
But the thread asks why someone like Katy who has 47% of her singles go to #1 (that includes features too) is dragged more for a song that flops.
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yes i agree. the hit to flop ratio theory seems flawed.
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Her releases are so messy. Like Right Now never getting a video, and PIU getting a vid a million years later, and What Now randomly getting single treatment at the ass crack end of the era with almost everything but a damn performance.
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Originally posted by EmRiNavy
Let's get this straight tho
Right Now - 0 promo, no video - Top 50 (G.U.Y - Video and performance, 76 I think?)
What Now - video, 1 performance in UK - Top 25, bigger than other lead singles.
Cockiness - No video, 1 performance + she released Diamonds 2 weeks after
Talk That Talk - No video, 1 UK performance
Man Down - Huge hit in Europe + no performance
CKB - well this was a flop
So, LACK OF PROMO would be the explanation. Please stop trying to say she has so many flops when it's not the truth |
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Not to mention that ICON actually takes risks when.... nvm
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Originally posted by Rihinvention
Four.
Billboard count Love The Way You Lie, and lbr, the only reason that song hit #1 was because of Rih's chorus.
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And the fact that Eminem is a still huge artist and this was a pop song.
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because she releases album every year and loads of singles so people don't notice flops.
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Because she doesn't care, whenever a single flops is due to the lack of promotion.And after all she rises like a phoenix.
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