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News: Georgia passes 'guns everywhere' bill
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Originally posted by Goosey
You can't prove causation that America's higher homicide rate is due to guns. You can only say there's a "correlation". Like I said social and economic factors play a much larger role in homicide rates.
You seem to be demonizing inanimate objects  some people might give this Glock as a Christmas gift, it's something that brings happiness and joy to many people... other people, for strange reasons, choose to (very unwisely) fear it.
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K. I'm gonna stop replying now. You're giving me serial killer teas. Don't kill me please. Thanks. Bye.
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K. I'm gonna stop replying now. You're giving me serial killer teas. Don't kill me please. Thanks. Bye.
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Again with the close-mindedness. Lots of people enjoy target shooting and hunting, there's nothing "bad" about those sports.
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Again with the close-mindedness. Lots of people enjoy target shooting and hunting, there's nothing "bad" about those sports.
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You think that firearms are now allowed in bars, nightclubs, school classrooms and certain government buildings that lack security personnel or devices just in case people see an animal that they want to hunt or a target that they want to shoot? 
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Georgia,
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You think that firearms are now allowed in bars, nightclubs, school classrooms and certain government buildings that lack security personnel or devices just in case people see an animal that they want to hunt or a target that they want to shoot?
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No, it's so people can defend themselves from criminals who try to kill them. It's not like criminals stay out of bars, night clubs, schools and government buildings.
Also criminals would be carrying their guns there ANYWAYS so this is a victory for civil rights.
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Originally posted by Goosey
No, it's so people can defend themselves from criminals who try to kill them. It's not like criminals stay out of bars, night clubs, schools and government buildings.
Also criminals would be carrying their guns there ANYWAYS so this is a victory for civil rights.
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When a teacher shoots you in the face or something cause you get a fail don't be complaining. It's common sense that less guns=less gun related deaths. If a poor, single 20 year old mother stole baby food for her starving child from a store she would be a criminal and therefor the owner of that store should be able to own a gun in order to shoot her to death because she is now a criminal. Great logic 
My point is that you're naive to think that people will only use these guns to defend themselves from harm.
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Not the best decision considering the amount of rednecks over there
I don't get how a civilized nation like the States would allow guns everywhere for everyone. I mean. Grow up.
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So stupid.  
You look at America with its 12,000 gun deaths every year and should realize that that's because of the lack of gun control. Go read about Japan, UK, and Australia and what they did to eliminate gun deaths.
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Originally posted by BlazingLovatic
When a teacher shoots you in the face or something cause you get a fail don't be complaining. It's common sense that less guns=less gun related deaths. If a poor, single 20 year old mother stole baby food for her starving child from a store she would be a criminal and therefor the owner of that store should be able to own a gun in order to shoot her to death because she is now a criminal. Great logic |
Totally absurd  it is ILLEGAL to shoot someone for mere theft in Georgia. You can only shoot someone if they are about to kill or severely injure you. That fictional "store owner" you mentioned would go to jail for homicide.
And also a store owner can ALREADY have a gun, people can ALREADY carry guns about with them. This law only allows them to do it in a few more places that were previously off-limits, it won't change Georgia's murder rate at all.
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You're from Massachusetts so of course you would say such terrible things.
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You guys actually think banning guns will make crime drop and prevent people from buying guns  |
No but it would make it more difficult for sick, deranged people to get a hold of them.
On only I this backwards society we live in. God help us!
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You're from Massachusetts so of course you would say such terrible things. |
You could never live here
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Yes, in school classrooms. Ya know, the place where mass murder seems to always occur. If the teachers were allowed to carry a gun on school property then maybe fewer people would've died.
Watched a story the other day. This woman was being stalked. She had her concealed carry permit, but couldn't carry it into work because she worked at a bar. The stalker ended up shooting and killing her husband, who also worked at the bar. Had she or any other law abiding citizen had their weopons on them, the shooter might've been killed before pumping 6 bullets into his skull. Now you tell me what the hell banning guns will exactly help??  If somebody wants to kill somebody, guess what?? They will. The right to bare arms is for the rest of us, who abide by the rules, to protect ourselves.
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Problem is that psychos & stalkers can also carry guns. I know banning guns ENTIRELY should never be done, but we could have a mental state of mind check before you can get one at ALL
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Georgia simply has a different culture than most of you are used to. You should keep an open mind.
I don't go to Kenya and say traditional tribal dances are "silly" because I'm not used to it... I don't go to China and say it is "gross" because they have squat toilets... et cetera.
That's ignorance. Enlighten yourselves.
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Originally posted by Goosey
Georgia simply has a different culture than most of you are used to. You should keep an open mind.
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The issue isn't about ignorance and misunderstanding of culture; it's about decreasing the number of gun deaths. That can be done without changing the culture.
I understand that guns are very popular in Georgia (and many other states, too) and that they are often harmlessly used recreationally. There's a point, however, where gun access just gets too far. It's inexcusable that you can walk into a store as common as the stuff it sells (Wal-Mart), hand over some money and an ID, and walk out with a high-powered assault rifle.
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It's inexcusable that you can walk into a store as common as the stuff it sells (Wal-Mart), hand over some money and an ID, and walk out with a high-powered assault rifle. |
I need to say "high-powered" is a term you shouldn't use. I even ran across a "manual of style" from the 1970s, I forget which organization, which included "high-powered" as a term that should be avoided in writing.
The reason is because any gun could be said to be "high-powered". The phrase is just extra words that are essentially meaningless. It's a media buzz word.
In addition the so-called assault weapons are usually less powerful than common hunting rifles, case in point:
Assault rifles:
M-16 5.56 = 1767 J
AK-47 7.62 = 2045 J
Hunting rifles:
Winchester Model 70 .270 = 3666 J
Remington Model 700 .30-06 = 3823 J
However "assault rifle" refers to military weapons that are select-fire. The guns you could buy from Walmart only fire one shot at a time. They are referred to as "assault weapons" by those who don't like them, other people just call them "rifles"...
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Originally posted by Goosey
I need to say "high-powered" is a term you shouldn't use. I even ran across a "manual of style" from the 1970s, I forget which organization, which included "high-powered" as a term that should be avoided in writing.
The reason is because any gun could be said to be "high-powered". The phrase is just extra words that are essentially meaningless. It's a media buzz word.
In addition the so-called assault weapons are usually less powerful than common hunting rifles, case in point:
Assault rifles:
M-16 5.56 = 1767 J
AK-47 7.62 = 2045 J
Hunting rifles:
Winchester Model 70 .270 = 3666 J
Remington Model 700 .30-06 = 3823 J
However "assault rifle" refers to military weapons that are select-fire. The guns you could buy from Walmart only fire one shot at a time. They are referred to as "assault weapons" by those who don't like them, other people just call them "rifles"...
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But nobody uses hunting weapons to commit massacres like Sandy Hook, Aurora, Virginia Tech, Columbine, Navy Yard, etc.
The perpetrators of those attacks used assault rifles because they are easy to get and because they can shoot a lot of rounds quickly.
It seems very logical (to me, at least) that instituting a ban on assault rifles would decreases the amount of gun deaths in the U.S.
Here's the thing. Regardless of whether you agree with me or not, you can't argue with
1) The U.S. owns more guns (per 100 people) than anybody else.
2) The U.S. has way, way, way more gun murders than any other developed country.
So the U.S. already has 'more guns' and yet more people get killed by guns in the U.S. than in any other developed country. Taking away a lot of those guns and making them harder to access is a good first step in solving the problem. A person is more likely to steal a bike if it's just lying on the ground than if it is locked up because the easiness of the task tempts them. The same goes for Americans with guns, and that's one of the main reasons we have so many gun deaths.
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