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Discussion: Fat shaming - wrong or right? READ THE OP.
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Originally posted by Wafflinson
Let us not pretend that this is to nearly the same extent.
For every person who says that, there is someone saying "Oh you can fit in a size 1? I am so jealous", and supermodels on the runway who weigh even less.
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Not if you're a guy lol.
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Skinny people do not have to deal with buying two seats on on airplane, or not fitting into a work uniform, or going to a store to find that they do not carry your size..
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Actually very common, especially if you are tall... there is nothing that fits by both length and waist size.
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Originally posted by Wafflinson
Let us not pretend that this is to nearly the same extent.
For every person who says that, there is someone saying "Oh you can fit in a size 1? I am so jealous", and supermodels on the runway who weigh even less.
Skinny people do not have to deal with buying two seats on on airplane, or not fitting into a work uniform, or going to a store to find that they do not carry your size..
The two are not equivalent by any stretch of the imagination.
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Still doesn't make it right to shame skinny people. I don't know where people get this mentality that because one group suffers more than the other that its ok to do to that group the same exact thing your fighting against them doing to you. 
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Originally posted by Kamil24
Not if you're a guy lol.
Actually very common, especially if you are tall... there is nothing that fits by both length and waist size.
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Tall is a completely different situation.
(I have to deal with that as well since I am 6' 5".)
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Originally posted by KareBear
Still doesn't make it right to shame skinny people. I don't know where people get this mentality that because one group suffers more than the other that its ok to do to that group the same exact thing your fighting against them doing to you. |
I agree. I probably shouldn't.
....but yes, after years of being shamed for being overweight I am bitter 
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Originally posted by Wafflinson
Based on what evidence exactly?
While it is true that to be obese you must have been overweight at some point.... a person who maintains their weight in the overweight range for 5-10 years obviously is not on a slippery slope to obesity, and it is ignorant to treat them like they are doing something wrong when they are not.
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Exactly! I know a lot of people who have been classified as "overweight", but just barely for over 10 years now. Lol
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Originally posted by Wafflinson
Based on what evidence exactly?
While it is true that to be obese you must have been overweight at some point.... a person who maintains their weight in the overweight range for 5-10 years obviously is not on a slippery slope to obesity, and it is ignorant to treat them like they are doing something wrong when they are not.
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When did I ever say that overweight people should be treated as though they are doing something incorrectly? I've said many, many times in this thread so far that being overweight can come from a number of different outside and emotional factors. I've also said that overweight people should identify and address the cause of the weight gain so they don't cross over into being obese. If you're overweight and you can't seem to lose the weight then there IS a problem somewhere. Regardless of whether or not you maintain your (overweight) size.
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You cannot claim this
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Originally posted by JessPop
When did I ever say that overweight people should be treated as though they are doing something incorrectly?
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While also claiming this:
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Originally posted by JessPop
If you're overweight and you can't seem to lose the weight then there IS a problem somewhere.
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There is nothing unhealthy about being overweight, but not obese. When you say that they have a problem somewhere you ARE treating them as if they are doing something incorrectly. Especially since they should NOT even be pressured to lose weight if they are simply overweight since there is NO proven impact on life expectancy from being overweight.
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Originally posted by dperkins
There's stigmas against just about every group of people if we really wanna get into it. Even "fitness freaks" who are obsessed with being healthy get made fun of for "being vain" or "self obsessed". Skinny people get made fun of and called things like "bean pole", "anorexic", etc. I know a girl who EATS and is super thin. She just can't gain weight and she tries really hard to. Doesn't make her anorexic or bulimic at all. People will bully someone of any body type to make themselves feel better.
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Like I mentioned earlier, I'm 5'4" and I've never gone below 140 since I was 16. I haven't been able to. That gives me a BMI of 24.0. Once you pass 25 it's considered "overweight". I'm at 150 right now which gives me a 25.4. I always fluctuate, and when I exercise, I tend to lose weight until about 140 and then start gaining weight because I gain muscle really easy. My whole family is that way. We are short and stocky. I have bigger calves than most guys I know, and I do NOTHING to keep them. I have natural strength in my legs. I've always been that way. It's part of my genetics. My point is that even though I'm considered "overweight", it's mostly due to muscle that I've always had. Even when I was lazy and didn't work out or exercise, I never lost the thick muscles in my thighs and calves. My brother hates me for it. (He didn't get my muscular legs. Lol. But I didn't get his arms or abs either. He barely works for those..)
Points is, we all have genetics that shape us. Obesity is more nurture than nature (to a point), but muscular builds generally aren't. I'll probably always be classified as "overweight" or close to it. So I don't stress about it. As long as I'm fit and in decent shape I'm ok.
Oh and for some more stats, I have a 30" waist. Which I would NEVER consider "overweight". There are more factors than just your BMI and classification that dictate health problems.
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Originally posted by Wafflinson
You cannot claim this
While also claiming this:
There is nothing unhealthy about being overweight, but not obese. When you say that they have a problem somewhere you ARE treating them as if they are doing something incorrectly. Especially since they should NOT even be pressured to lose weight if they are simply overweight since there is NO proven impact on life expectancy from being overweight.
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Doing something incorrectly in terms of outside factors such as a sudden change in lifestyle, etc or emotional stress/trauma beyond one's control.
Being overweight is not healthy regardless of how much or how little it is because it leads to issues down the road if not taken care of beforehand. Being overweight is comparable to the drug debate and whether or not Marijuana is a gateway drug to harder substances. I think that in both cases it requires a certain degree of carelessness in regard to one's health. That's just my opinion and it is shared by many professionals. I'm sure I could pull up some health research studies that do, in fact, support my stance on the issue.
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http://media.jamanetwork.com/news-it...risk-of-death/
CHICAGO – In an analysis of nearly 100 studies that included approximately 3 million adults, relative to normal weight, overall obesity (combining all grades) and higher levels of obesity were both associated with a significantly higher all-cause risk of death, while overweight was associated with significantly lower all-cause mortality, according to a study in the January 2 issue of JAMA.
The researchers found that the summary HRs indicated a 6 percent lower risk of death for overweight; a 18 percent higher risk of death for obesity (all grades); a 5 percent lower risk of death for grade 1 obesity; and a 29 percent increased risk of death for grades 2 and 3 obesity.
The authors note that the finding that grade 1 obesity was not associated with higher mortality suggests that that the excess mortality in obesity may predominantly be due to elevated mortality at higher BMI levels.
The researchers add that their findings are consistent with observations of lower mortality among overweight and moderately obese patients. “Possible explanations have included earlier presentation of heavier patients, greater likelihood of receiving optimal medical treatment, cardioprotective metabolic effects of increased body fat, and benefits of higher metabolic reserves.”
“The presence of a wasting disease, heart disease, diabetes, renal dialysis, or older age are all associated with an inverse relationship between BMI and mortality rate, an observation termed the obesity paradox or reverse epidemiology. The optimal BMI linked with lowest mortality in patients with chronic disease may be within the overweight and obesity range. Even in the absence of chronic disease, small excess amounts of adipose tissue may provide needed energy reserves during acute catabolic illnesses, have beneficial mechanical effects with some types of traumatic injuries, and convey other salutary effects that need to be investigated in light of the studies by Flegal et al and others.”
“Not all patients classified as being overweight or having grade 1 obesity, particularly those with chronic diseases, can be assumed to require weight loss treatment. Establishing BMI is only the first step toward a more comprehensive risk evaluation.”
Essentially. If you are overweight or class 1 obese (there are 3 classes) you are actually healthier, and live longer, than people of normal weight and will suffer less from chronic disease. If anything... you are superior to skinny people and it is them doing something wrong.
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Originally posted by dperkins
Like I mentioned earlier, I'm 5'4" and I've never gone below 140 since I was 16. I haven't been able to. That gives me a BMI of 24.0. Once you pass 25 it's considered "overweight". I'm at 150 right now which gives me a 25.4. I always fluctuate, and when I exercise, I tend to lose weight until about 140 and then start gaining weight because I gain muscle really easy. My whole family is that way. We are short and stocky. I have bigger calves than most guys I know, and I do NOTHING to keep them. I have natural strength in my legs. I've always been that way. It's part of my genetics. My point is that even though I'm considered "overweight", it's mostly due to muscle that I've always had. Even when I was lazy and didn't work out or exercise, I never lost the thick muscles in my thighs and calves. My brother hates me for it. (He didn't get my muscular legs. Lol. But I didn't get his arms or abs either. He barely works for those..)
Points is, we all have genetics that shape us. Obesity is more nurture than nature (to a point), but muscular builds generally aren't. I'll probably always be classified as "overweight" or close to it. So I don't stress about it. As long as I'm fit and in decent shape I'm ok.
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Yeah the BMI chart isn't necessarily correct and I don't think anyone should go by it. Overweight and Obesity isn't the same thing you can be healthy and overweight if you go by the BMI chart. People shouldn't aim to be skinny instead we should all focus on being healthy which is a major communication problem most people have when discussing health problems such as obesity. Skinny does not = healthy but unfortunately a lot of people believe so.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by Wafflinson
http://media.jamanetwork.com/news-it...risk-of-death/
CHICAGO – In an analysis of nearly 100 studies that included approximately 3 million adults, relative to normal weight, overall obesity (combining all grades) and higher levels of obesity were both associated with a significantly higher all-cause risk of death, while overweight was associated with significantly lower all-cause mortality, according to a study in the January 2 issue of JAMA.
The researchers found that the summary HRs indicated a 6 percent lower risk of death for overweight; a 18 percent higher risk of death for obesity (all grades); a 5 percent lower risk of death for grade 1 obesity; and a 29 percent increased risk of death for grades 2 and 3 obesity.
The authors note that the finding that grade 1 obesity was not associated with higher mortality suggests that that the excess mortality in obesity may predominantly be due to elevated mortality at higher BMI levels.
The researchers add that their findings are consistent with observations of lower mortality among overweight and moderately obese patients. “Possible explanations have included earlier presentation of heavier patients, greater likelihood of receiving optimal medical treatment, cardioprotective metabolic effects of increased body fat, and benefits of higher metabolic reserves.”
“The presence of a wasting disease, heart disease, diabetes, renal dialysis, or older age are all associated with an inverse relationship between BMI and mortality rate, an observation termed the obesity paradox or reverse epidemiology. The optimal BMI linked with lowest mortality in patients with chronic disease may be within the overweight and obesity range. Even in the absence of chronic disease, small excess amounts of adipose tissue may provide needed energy reserves during acute catabolic illnesses, have beneficial mechanical effects with some types of traumatic injuries, and convey other salutary effects that need to be investigated in light of the studies by Flegal et al and others.”
“Not all patients classified as being overweight or having grade 1 obesity, particularly those with chronic diseases, can be assumed to require weight loss treatment. Establishing BMI is only the first step toward a more comprehensive risk evaluation.”
Essentially. If you are overweight or class 1 obese (there are 3 classes) you are actually healthier, and live longer, than people of normal weight and will suffer less from chronic disease. If anything... you are superior to skinny people and it is them doing something wrong.
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I think this is misleading information. Around 300 000 people die each year because of obesity.
https://www.wvdhhr.org/bph/oehp/obesity/mortality.htm
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Point is to be happy with your body no matter what shape it's in. But at the same time, don't be ignorant of the health you sacrifice along with it. Too bad they don't teach you that.
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Originally posted by MLover
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Read the study. It mentions that those higher rates of mortality are from class 2 and class 3 obesity.
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" and a 29 percent increased risk of death for grades 2 and 3 obesity."
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What Are the Health Risks of Overweight and Obesity?
Being overweight or obese isn't a cosmetic problem. These conditions greatly raise your risk for other health problems.
Overweight and Obesity-Related Health Problems in Adults
Coronary Heart Disease
As your body mass index rises, so does your risk for coronary heart disease (CHD). CHD is a condition in which a waxy substance called plaque (plak) builds up inside the coronary arteries. These arteries supply oxygen-rich blood to your heart.
Plaque can narrow or block the coronary arteries and reduce blood flow to the heart muscle. This can cause angina (an-JI-nuh or AN-juh-nuh) or a heart attack. (Angina is chest pain or discomfort.)
Obesity also can lead to heart failure. This is a serious condition in which your heart can't pump enough blood to meet your body's needs.
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So basically being overweight and obese can lead to heart failure, cancer, diabetes, etc.
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Originally posted by Wafflinson
Read the study. It mentions that those higher rates of mortality are from class 2 and class 3 obesity.
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But saying class 1 lives a healthy life is misleading. Most people that are in class2-3 used to be in class 1.
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We focus so much on the aesthetic aspect of weight when it's a health concern. Being just overweight is one thing, but so many obese people aren't even told by their doctors to lose weight because our culture stigmatizes criticizing people's weight. And we're taught to give cigarette smokers dirty looks because they're "killing themselves", even though morbidly obese people will face more direct health complications than smokers and all at their own hands. Over it.
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