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Discussion: Fat shaming - wrong or right? READ THE OP.
Member Since: 8/20/2011
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Originally posted by Wafflinson
What does this have to do with my post?
My point was that there is a GIGANTIC difference between being overweight and obese, and most people do not make the distinction.
There is nothing wrong with being overweight, and as I said there are no significant associated health risks with having a somewhat higher BMI than the average.
Being Obese is unhealthy.
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Being overweight usually leads to obesity when left unchecked in the first place. It pertains to your post because if you're overweight at all then there are studies that have proven that there's usually a reason as to why... be it genetics, medical, emotional issues, etc. All of which is unhealthy and all of which is a rather large issue. If you're overweight then you are at risk. End of.
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Wong as hell. I think people should mind their own business. That's what's wrong with America.
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Originally posted by JessPop
Being overweight usually leads to obesity when left unchecked in the first place. It pertains to your post because if you're overweight at all then there are studies that have proven that there's usually a reason as to why... be it genetics, medical, emotional issues, etc. All of which is unhealthy and all of which is a rather large issue. If you're overweight then you are at risk. End of.
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No. It is about having a sustainable lifestyle and being active.
If you have a sustainable lifestyle and are overweight it doesn't mean you are on your way to being obese any more than saying that every skinny person is on their way to Anorexia.
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Originally posted by Silvaasunto
I agree 100% with you on this. Obesity is such a taboo topic not only in the US but all over the world. Of course if you want to aboard this topic with someone you always have to put on the other person shoes and think what you are about to say.
That being said, obesity is not only a public health problem, but it does affect other people's life as a society. As we all know obese people are more likely to develope diabetes, hearth problems and tons of diseases including cancer, plus their childs have more risk to be obese/overweight than people with normal body mass index. Also people with high weight are more likely to suffer from depression and mental problems, now with the rise of overweight population in schools, that could not only affect their social behaviour but also affect their scholar development with huge problems in their future as citizens and grown up people.
I'm giving my opinion as a med student, of course some people can be overweight/obese because of other problems (hyperthyroidism for example), but in general, obesity CAN be be fought with simple things such as healthy diet and regular exercise. I'm not saying that all people should have supermodel bodies (even tho that would be nice  ), but having a healthy body isn't an impossible thing
Now, of course if you meet someone with obesity you can't tell 'em 3 minutes after you talk to them "HEY, DON'T BE OBESE!", but of course if you keep in touch with them for a considerable amount of time, it would be nice from you to have a chat with them and tell them that maybe they should improve their lifestyle, always trying to not hurt them feelling of course. Stuff like this can be taken as rude at the begining, but if you talk with them in the correct way, it can be the begining of a new a waay better life
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I agree with your post. Thanx for reading the OP   unlike others
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Originally posted by MLover
Don't you think I'm aware of that? Had you actually read to OP you've would have know that. NEXT TIME READ THE OP.
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If we're in agreement that there is only one definition of the word then why are you turning around in the next instant and asking for irrelevant definitions of the word that you just agreed only had one proper definition? It doesn't make sense. If you'd like people's opinion on fat-shaming in general and if that is the morally correct thing to do then just say that. All of the extra is just very off-base.
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No one should walk up to a random person and tell them that they are fat, that is just rude. You don't know how they became that way. I had a teacher in her 60's that was really big, nut she only ate vegetables. She had a thyroid disease that made her that way.
On the other hand, if someone actually asks you about it, or says "should I start trying to lose weight?" then it is ok to say what would be best for their health.
As for online, I think it is appropriate to have pictorial examples of what is too big and considered unhealthy. I mean it's done against skinny people all the time, saying things like "that's too skinny, it's not healthy" or "I want curves not a body of bones", etc. which I do find offensive.
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Originally posted by MLover
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Slay sis!!! you're queen of controversy atm!
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by Wafflinson
No. It is about having a sustainable lifestyle and being active.
If you have a sustainable lifestyle and are overweight it doesn't mean you are on your way to being obese any more than saying that every skinny person is on their way to Anorexia.
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I agree with that especially if we're going by the BMI since that chart can be incredibly tricky.
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Yeah.... I think there is a fairly generally accepted definition of what "Fat Shaming" is..... so the question in the OP gets ignored a lot.
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I was very fat once, and now I have bulimia and anorexia because people kept telling me how fat I was. Shame on people who point it out because people are already aware of it themselves.
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Originally posted by Wafflinson
No. It is about having a sustainable lifestyle and being active.
If you have a sustainable lifestyle and are overweight it doesn't mean you are on your way to being obese any more than saying that every skinny person is on their way to Anorexia.
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And you're confident in safely assuming that in the U.S. (where obesity rates are sky-rocketing) that most overweight people have a "sustainable lifestyle"? Really? That's very unrealistic of you.
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Originally posted by JessPop
And you're confident in safely assuming that in the U.S. (where obesity rates are sky-rocketing) that most overweight people have a "sustainable lifestyle"? Really? That's very unrealistic of you.
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Once again. There is a big difference between being overweight and Obese.
1. One is bad for you. One is not.
2. People shame both.
I cannot take any opinion seriously that does not recognize this distinction. There are many, many people who are overweight and live completely healthy lives, and live just as long (if not longer) than people of normal BMI.
Most people with destructive lifestyles will be overweight as teens.... then reach obesity in their 20's. It is not productive, helpful, or accurate to assume that overweight adults are unhealthy.
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Originally posted by BreatheGaga
I was very fat once, and now I have bulimia and anorexia because people kept telling me how fat I was. Shame on people who point it out because people are already aware of it themselves.
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I've had bulimia and anorexia too so if you ever need anyone to talk to I'm here. Try talking to someone about it like the school nurse or a family member, you shouldn't be going through this alone 
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Originally posted by Wafflinson
What does this have to do with my post?
My point was that there is a GIGANTIC difference between being overweight and obese, and most people do not make the distinction.
There is nothing wrong with being overweight, and as I said there are no significant associated health risks with having a somewhat higher BMI than the average.
Being Obese is unhealthy.
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I've always been considered "overweight" because I weigh 150 and am 5'4". I have a lot of natural muscle mostly in my legs. I only have a 30" waist but they like to classify me as overweight because of how short I am. I somehow should weigh 130-135. I've never really been able to get that thin. 140 is the best I can seem to do. Lol.
So I think obesity is definitely where health problems lie. Being overweight isn't always a bad. Just depends on how much overweight you are.
And there's all different health risks involved in being overweight that someone doesn't necessarily have because they're overweight. My mom had really good cholesterol levels. Always did. She was overweight and at a few points considered "obese". She had other health problems that prevented her from excersizing like she should have been. So I definitely think it's a sensitive subject when bringing up someone's weight. You don't always know their whole story, and they may not be as "unhealthy" as you think.
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Originally posted by MLover
I've had bulimia and anorexia too so if you ever need anyone to talk to I'm here. Try talking to someone about it like the school nurse or a family member, you shouldn't be going through this alone |
Thanks 
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Member Since: 8/20/2011
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Originally posted by Wafflinson
Once again. There is a big difference between being overweight and Obese.
1. One is bad for you. One is not.
2. People shame both.
I cannot take any opinion seriously that does not recognize this distinction. There are many, many people who are overweight and live completely healthy lives, and live just as long (if not longer) than people of normal BMI.
Most people with destructive lifestyles will be overweight as teens.... then reach obesity in their 20's. It is not productive, helpful, or accurate to assume that overweight adults are unhealthy.
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Because one is a gateway towards the other and is therefore still considered to be unhealthy. What is your point? Clearly any sort of "shaming" isn't right but at the same time it isn't a good message to be sending that being overweight equates with being healthy. It does not.
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Originally posted by Wafflinson
Yes I do.... because there is no inherent stigma against skinny people. In society it is seen as a positive.
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This is not true. All the questions that are like "You're so skinny, do you eat?, Why are you so skinny? Are you anorexic? You should go eat a cheeseburger! Did you lose weight?"... extremely offensive 
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Originally posted by Kamil24
This is not true. All the questions that are like "You're so skinny, do you eat?, Why are you so skinny? Are you anorexic? You should go eat a cheeseburger! Did you lose weight?"... extremely offensive |
Let us not pretend that this is to nearly the same extent.
For every person who says that, there is someone saying "Oh you can fit in a size 1? I am so jealous", and supermodels on the runway who weigh even less.
Skinny people do not have to deal with buying two seats on on airplane, or not fitting into a work uniform, or going to a store to find that they do not carry your size..
The two are not equivalent by any stretch of the imagination.
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Member Since: 2/6/2012
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Originally posted by JessPop
Because one is a gateway towards the other and is therefore still considered to be unhealthy. What is your point? Clearly any sort of "shaming" isn't right but at the same time it isn't a good message to be sending that being overweight equates with being healthy. It does not.
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Based on what evidence exactly?
While it is true that to be obese you must have been overweight at some point.... a person who maintains their weight in the overweight range for 5-10 years obviously is not on a slippery slope to obesity, and it is ignorant to treat them like they are doing something wrong when they are not.
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There's stigmas against just about every group of people if we really wanna get into it. Even "fitness freaks" who are obsessed with being healthy get made fun of for "being vain" or "self obsessed". Skinny people get made fun of and called things like "bean pole", "anorexic", etc. I know a girl who EATS and is super thin. She just can't gain weight and she tries really hard to. Doesn't make her anorexic or bulimic at all. People will bully someone of any body type to make themselves feel better.
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