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Discussion: Why yonce stans think DIL is iconic
Member Since: 12/1/2011
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Originally posted by swissman
Those aren't excuses, but sure if you want to look at them that way ok because the fact absolutely remains that sales, views, weeks in the top ten etc. do not make a song iconic.
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oh but its an urban song
oh but it wasnt released here
oh but it was raining a few days in its chart run which affected sales
but but but
shoulda coulda woulda, the song didn't make a big impact.
its a big hit (for beyoncé) but it wasn't this cultural takeover you people are speaking of. I guess the hive just isn't used to a hit single so it feels like some sort of abnormal experience, my condolences
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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It's not about numbers. It's about impact:
Surfboard, surfboard...
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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It isn't iconic by any stretch of the imagination.
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Member Since: 8/7/2012
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Originally posted by swissman
8 consecutive weeks in the top ten isn't something to scoff at. Especially given that there was only 1 promo performance.
Not bad for an urban only single from an album that was a million seller before DIL was even announced as a single.
You need to look up what "iconic" means exactly. This statement applies to every quoted sentence but works best here. Iconic has nothing to do with sales or views. Is On The Floor iconic? Not really but it has tons of views.
WW it wasn't released. Nice try though.
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1. the hype that was made when new album came out was equal to BTW and RED
2. after XO underperformed , DIL did become WW single , maybe it was not officially announced but after US rest of the world just pick it up
3. I think that if something is iconic especially in music numbers should follow that title - I will always love you , thriller , billie jean , respect , baby one more time , up i did it again , rehab ect they all have numbers ( proof ) that they are iconic in music overall
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Originally posted by jose168
oh but its an urban song
oh but it wasnt released here
oh but it was raining a few days in its chart run which affected sales
but but but
shoulda coulda woulda, the song didn't make a big impact.
its a big hit (for beyoncé) but it wasn't this cultural takeover you people are speaking of. I guess the hive just isn't used to a hit single so it feels like some sort of abnormal experience, my condolences
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My condolences to you, too
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Everybody knows where the term surfboard comes from. No one is saying it's the most iconic song of all time but it is iconic to some degree and to say otherwise is just delusional 
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Member Since: 8/22/2009
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Originally posted by Wafflinson
I have still never heard the song.
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Never heard it, but you're the first poster in the thread about the song.
hmmm
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Member Since: 11/15/2009
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Is Surfboardt really a well-known phrase now? I know it's definitely big on the internet. I'm out of the loop with the general public's knowledge of pop culture.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by jose168
oh but its an urban song
oh but it wasnt released here
oh but it was raining a few days in its chart run which affected sales
but but but
shoulda coulda woulda, the song didn't make a big impact.
its a big hit (for beyoncé) but it wasn't this cultural takeover you people are speaking of. I guess the hive just isn't used to a hit single so it feels like some sort of abnormal experience, my condolences
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Dang 
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Member Since: 10/29/2010
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Originally posted by hummingbird12
after XO underperformed , DIL did become WW single
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Twenty One Pilots – Car Radio
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Originally posted by jose168
oh but its an urban song
oh but it wasnt released here
oh but it was raining a few days in its chart run which affected sales
but but but
shoulda coulda woulda, the song didn't make a big impact.
its a big hit (for beyoncé) but it wasn't this cultural takeover you people are speaking of. I guess the hive just isn't used to a hit single so it feels like some sort of abnormal experience, my condolences
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The fact that you are constantly recycling the same thing and being unable to prove what you have been asked to. My condolences to you as well.
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Member Since: 3/27/2012
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Originally posted by jose168
oh but its an urban song
oh but it wasnt released here
oh but it was raining a few days in its chart run which affected sales
but but but
shoulda coulda woulda, the song didn't make a big impact.
its a big hit (for beyoncé) but it wasn't this cultural takeover you people are speaking of. I guess the hive just isn't used to a hit single so it feels like some sort of abnormal experience, my condolences
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The thing is, I've already accepted that you think I was making excuses. That's behind us. What you're failing to comment on (probably due to having no actual argument) is how exactly a view count makes a song iconic. Popular? Sure. Well known. Of course. But iconic? That's a different ballgame.
You'd do well to stop trolling. The Hive have known success since 1997 and I'm sure you're aware of it considering the desire it seems you have to belittle Beyonce's accomplishments. I guess you aren't used to Billboard's #1 Female Artist of the 2000s having hits, but the truth is she has them.
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Member Since: 12/1/2011
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Originally posted by swissman
The thing is, I've already accepted that you think I was making excuses. That's behind us. What you're failing to comment on (probably due to having no actual argument) is how exactly a view count makes a song iconic. Popular? Sure. Well known. Of course. But iconic? That's a different ballgame.
You'd do well to stop trolling. The Hive have known success since 1997 and I'm sure you're aware of it considering the desire it seems you have to belittle Beyonce's accomplishments. I guess you aren't used to Billboard's #1 Female Artist of the 2000s having hits, but the truth is she has them.
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I haven't once mentioned video views 
those are irrelevant
but considering streaming is what brought 95% of the songs success i'd be kinder to it
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More iconic than anything Katy has ever put out, I'll tell you that. 
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Originally posted by bey0nce
It's one of her biggest GP friendly hits despite the current sales of a US only urban single
SurboarT and watermelon become WW known phrases and sayings, and it had an undeniable impact
also how it is number 13 on radio right now and peaked at number 6, her biggest radio hit in 4 years. Finally, YouTube views to not make a song iconic, however big or small (unless we are talking extreme cases such as Gangnam or Baby) - these stans I swear |
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Member Since: 12/21/2010
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I think it's mostly just iconic to Tumblr, but at least that's something!
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Originally posted by Wafflinson
It may be iconic to her stans/urban.
However, it sure is not to the general public. I have still never heard the song.
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How are you going to comment on it if you've never heard the song? 
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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It isn't iconic, at all. The "surfboard" thing they always go on about isn't known by anyone outside of the urban American community 
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Originally posted by theworldfamous
No one on ATRL seems to know what the real definition of "iconic" is and often confuses it for "memorable." Can you all stop that?
"Drunk in Love" is a massive hit. The fact that some of you are denying the song's impact and pretending you haven't heard it before says something about you and your transparency.
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 Will this song be remembered 3-4 years from now and the first song people think about when they think about Beyonce? I highly doubt it. Iconic means it would be remembered ages from now, and I am sorry, but the song had a massive popularity wave for a few weeks, and now, it's just kinda blown past. It did well, but it is not iconic in any means.
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Member Since: 3/27/2012
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Originally posted by hummingbird12
1. the hype that was made when new album came out was equal to BTW and RED
2. after XO underperformed , DIL did become WW single , maybe it was not officially announced but after US rest of the world just pick it up
3. I think that if something is iconic especially in music numbers should follow that title - I will always love you , thriller , billie jean , respect , baby one more time , up i did it again , rehab ect they all have numbers ( proof ) that they are iconic in music overall
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1. I actually thing the album's release created way more buzz than BTW and RED combined. That doesn't necessarily mean that the song is guaranteed to be a hit though. I'm sure we can find many people saying how even despite it's success, that BEYONCÉ wouldn't have a top ten.
2. The rest of the world may have picked it up, but that was their choice and so is a testament to the song's iconicness if Beyonce didn't even to make it a single around the world for it to go top ten in many countries.
3. I agree numbers usually go along with iconicness but it doesn't necessarily have to. For example, Toxic is iconic but hasn't really sold a huge amount and peaked at #9 which is good but you see, there are more factors than just numbers.
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