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To be fair, if I was Gaga and already had three (okay really two) best selling albums with four highest grossing singles of all time and an acclaimed compilation of music videos, I'd rather just work with my friends and have a good time than professionals too. I'll give her that. 
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Originally posted by Yzma
The ridiculous part is that they call themselves her "little babies". Not putting out a video.
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LM.com are a different breed. I don't even try to understand their embarrassing selves.
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kiii i'm in one of the LM.com chats and they're not even talking about Gaga.
They're talking about Beyonce's 2009 tour 
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Originally posted by Meowster
To be fair, if I was Gaga and already had three (okay really two) best selling albums with four highest grossing singles of all time and an acclaimed compilation of music videos, I'd rather just work with my friends and have a good time than professionals too. I'll give her that. |
but thats not what she wants no matter how much she says music not the bling
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i dont need anybodys permission to be remembered. I will be. Whether they like it or not
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Originally posted by Meowster
To be fair, if I was Gaga and already had three (okay really two) best selling albums with four highest grossing singles of all time and an acclaimed compilation of music videos, I'd rather just work with my friends and have a good time than professionals too. I'll give her that. |
But it seems like she does want the success since she had been depressed over ARTPOP's lack of reception.
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Originally posted by Whiskey Mouth
RedOne and Garibay gave her songs that would make people love her and made them cohesively to create good albums with a nice concept, then DJWS came alone with Born This Way and alienated her from the public but still managed to make her best album (with the input of Garibay and RedOne which were the main producers) and then DJWS came along and RedOne and Garibay left and she had her worst performing album.
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It's true though. We really didn't know the extent of his problemness on BTW because he was surrounded by other professional producers who have produced flawless songs for her in the past. But he clearly had a big hand in the production and vision of ARTPOP.
The fact that Gaga was making an entire album with Fernando but then decided to drop it all and use DJWS exclusively is the real problem tho. It's clearly her who prefers that sound.
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Originally posted by eli's_rhythm
BTW was very cohesive. It was just too much. Pure indulgence. She went nuts with the overstimulation--too much going on with the production, the lyrics, the outfits, the videos. Nothing to really latch onto, nothing to impress upon the public. She showed no restraint. There was something very simple and accessible about The Fame era.
ARTPOP has a similar but different problem: it can't decide what it wants to be. Musically, image-wise, whatever. There is no cohesion, that much is true. Very few of the songs sound like they were made for the same record.
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The BTW era was huge to me. Granted I'm a fan, but it truly felt like they went all out and it was like she was everywhere. People questioned her relevance but she was still in groove doing her thing. It was fearless. ARTPOP feels like a watered down BTW era with 200 less performances and a 90 percent sales drop. I still love both albums but BTW has my heart.
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Originally posted by LadyGagaStan93
I know sis but I'm just saying that I just don't think she sees it like we do. And let's face it it's a huge kick to the ego and it would be hard for most people to accept. She needs someone who's going to tell her that she can take a direction and go further with it. I feel like she has people who don't challenge her creativity, they just tell her yes or no. Or they just throw in her face what's hip and what's not. She needs a real fan to bring sense into her, and not some negative BS because she's "flopping" but just all around real talk.
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Agree with everything you said. Hopefully she can get more people like that, that challenge her creativity. That's one of the reasons I liked Troy because it seemed like he would challenge her. Like, he would actually as "Why?" when she proposed ideas.
I hope Bobby is not a yes person.
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Originally posted by NaughtyDog
but thats not what she wants no matter how much she says music not the bling
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Originally posted by Whiskey Mouth
But it seems like she does want the success since she had been depressed over ARTPOP's lack of reception.
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I was mainly referring to her firing anyone with sense and replacing them with friends, yes men, and denizens of LittleMonsters.com. Emma is finally gone though.. we'll have to see about Bobby. Was MarcMonster ever officially inducted into the Haus or is she just bffs with him?
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Originally posted by LadyGagaStan93
The BTW era was huge to me. Granted I'm a fan, but it truly felt like they went all out and it was like she was everywhere. People questioned her relevance but she was still in groove doing her thing. It was fearless. ARTPOP feels like a watered down BTW era with 200 less performances and a 90 percent sales drop. I still love both albums but BTW has my heart.
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I still don't understand the reasoning behind virtually no international promotion. She was performing in a different city every DAY during the BTW era. She hasn't even been to Australia once this era 
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Originally posted by Meowster
I was mainly referring to her firing anyone with sense and replacing them with friends, yes men, and denizens of LittleMonsters.com. Emma is finally gone though.. we'll have to see about Bobby. Was MarcMonster ever officially inducted into the Haus or is she just bffs with him? |
Emma is gone? why and when?
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It's true though. We really didn't know the extent of his problemness on BTW because he was surrounded by other professional producers who have produced flawless songs for her in the past. But he clearly had a big hand in the production and vision of ARTPOP.
The fact that Gaga was making an entire album with Fernando but then decided to drop it all and use DJWS exclusively is the real problem tho. It's clearly her who prefers that sound.
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He did produce the flawless Bloody Mary, but as you said he was surrounded by the main producers Fernando and RedOne which probably had a saying there. Born This Way had DJWS' input and meanwhile it's her best album I find it suspicious that ever since he became involved in her music, it became alienating to the public. And it's even more notorious on ARTPOP.
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Originally posted by LadyGagaStan93
The BTW era was huge to me. Granted I'm a fan, but it truly felt like they went all out and it was like she was everywhere. People questioned her relevance but she was still in groove doing her thing. It was fearless. ARTPOP feels like a watered down BTW era with 200 less performances and a 90 percent sales drop. I still love both albums but BTW has my heart.
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I wasn't around then - but as someone looking back, it would definitely be my favorite era as a stan. She truly delivered with almost every single performance, had some truly killer (and some literal killing ) looks, and always seemed happy and encouraging and brave.
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Am I the only Monster here that likes Madonna? <3
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I was a fan of her, but NOT after she called gaga is REDUCTIVE, she's real reductive, she said gaga copied her, but she's wrong, Marilyn is the ORIGINAL QUEEN
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Yeah, I'm gonna log out
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Emma is gone? why and when?
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Gaga moved her to Born Brave Foundation. Supposedly she leaked all that stuff to Brandon.
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Originally posted by Meowster
I wasn't around then - but as someone looking back, it would definitely be my favorite era as a stan. She truly delivered with almost every single performance, had some truly killer (and some literal killing ) looks, and always seemed happy and encouraging and brave. |
mess, she said she was depressed most of the time
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Born This Way is her best era and album though 
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Originally posted by NaughtyDog
but thats not what she wants no matter how much she says music not the bling
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Well being remembered doesn't mean you have to have hit after hit. Although granted at one point she was doing that and now she isn't. I feel like she'll go down in history like one of those rock stars that have hits but have an even bigger extensive
List of flops from later on in their career at this point it's evident.
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Why doesn't she just get back on drugs tbh. Not to be harsh about it, but she makes her best music on drugs
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Originally posted by nick4bty
This is true, because she had no theme for this album. The original theme she scrapped, and then she went on a rampage making R&B songs and an entire hodgepodge of songs that had no connection or any real inspiration.
In that sense you're right - for The Fame, The Fame Monster, and Born This Way, she had a vision and a concept and she executed it perfectly. For TF/TFM, she was also able to execute the perfect blend of GP-friendliness and creative vision; for BTW, she didn't pull that off as well, and like you said, lost control. For ARTPOP, she had no vision and no inspiration, and the music she made was good but not at the level it should've been for a Gaga album .
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Everything about this era has felt hollow since the beginning.
That feeling of "missing something" sort of worked amazingly well for "Applause." The performances and the idea of needing public affirmation, the fallen star imagery, etc... it was all fitting. But it doesn't work for an entire album campaign.  Applause shouldn't have been the first single, but at the same time nothing on the album really sounds like a Gaga first single.
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