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Discussion: Has Beyonce surpassed Janet Jackson in cultural impact?
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Originally posted by FreeXone
You think Beyonce was the first artist to do exclusive deals? She took it a step further, but let's not act like David Bowie didn't help give her that idea 
Don't know what I'm talking about? Google it.
Once again. Beyonce is a very good student, who sometimes always get's an A for her efforts. She exceeds very well on others ideas and makes them look very good. |
And do you think Janet invented dancing?
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Originally posted by MrPiggyMoka
Beyonce is a legend, Janet is only an icon she only had success because of her brother.
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The stupidity
- yes thats exactly why her first 2 albums flopped
- yes thats exactly why latoya, jermaine, and who ever else tried to form a solo career had success
-yes totally because being michael jakcsons brother automatically means you will sell!!
Janet was ******** all over michael in the 90s so lets not
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Originally posted by Timber
And do you think Janet invented dancing?
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NO FEMALE was doing dance in video like Janet was. Yes Paula tried, but she wasn't giving you Rhythm Nation, Miss You Much, or Pleasure Principle. Janet revolutionized synchronized dance in videos for females.
Janet is why females not only had to sing, but PERFORM.
-The Head Mic
-Backup dancers
-Complicated Choreography
All Janet. Not even Michael was really doing it. Don't believe me, watch his Bad Tour and then watch Janet's Rhythm Nation tour. Janet was revolutionizing it.
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One question to you Janet fans. I'm not the biggest expert of the Jackson family, but would she be known to us today if Michael didn't exist? Or maybe she would be more famous? Or would she just be a bit less famous?
Just wanna know what the answer to this is cuz if I start a thread it would most likely get take down. 
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Originally posted by Timber
One question to you Janet fans. I'm not the biggest expert of the Jackson family, but would she be known to us today if Michael didn't exist? Or maybe she would be more famous? Or would she just be a bit less famous?
Just wanna know what the answer to this is cuz if I start a thread it would most likely get take down. |
I think she would still be successful because their father joe is just...
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Originally posted by FreeXone
NO FEMALE was doing dance in video like Janet was. Yes Paula tried, but she wasn't giving you Rhythm Nation, Miss You Much, or Pleasure Principle. Janet revolutionized synchronized dance in videos for females.
Janet is why females not only had to sing, but PERFORM.
-The Head Mic
-Backup dancers
-Complicated Choreography
All Janet. Not even Michael was really doing it. Don't believe me, watch his Bad Tour and then watch Janet's Rhythm Nation tour. Janet was revolutionizing it.
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It looks like she just set the standards for singing lower and dancing higher. Which caused Britney and Ciara?
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Originally posted by Timber
One question to you Janet fans. I'm not the biggest expert of the Jackson family, but would she be known to us today if Michael didn't exist? Or maybe she would be more famous? Or would she just be a bit less famous?
Just wanna know what the answer to this is cuz if I start a thread it would most likely get take down. |
Would Janet be known without Michael? Who knows. Michael's push to fame came from their father Joe, not his own inhibitions. Janet was also pushed by their father. So maybe.
Would she be more famous? No. Janet's true claim to fame didn't come from her brother, it came from her own endeavors. Nothing she did was truly like Michael. She made a name for herself.
Janet actually in my opinion could of been MORE famous had she not taken so many breaks unlike many artist in her contemporary. It worked out in giving her much more standout longevity with her eras though. Something many girls lack today.
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Wait i actually dont even know bc without michael the jackson 5 would have flopped tbh
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Originally posted by Timber
One question to you Janet fans. I'm not the biggest expert of the Jackson family, but would she be known to us today if Michael didn't exist? Or maybe she would be more famous? Or would she just be a bit less famous?
Just wanna know what the answer to this is cuz if I start a thread it would most likely get take down. |
She would have been more Successful, because some people probably would have went out of their way to not buy her records because they think MJ got her success
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Originally posted by Bitchcraft
I think she would still be successful because their father joe is just... |
But was Michael not the reason they even started music careers?
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Originally posted by Timber
But was Michael not the reason they even started music careers?
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Well their dad forced them but just imagine the jackson 5 without michael
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Originally posted by Timber
It looks like she just set the standards for singing lower and dancing higher. Which caused Britney and Ciara?
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Yes and no.
Beyonce also would not be Beyonce if she didn't dance and perform and do her runway walks, and swing hair. (Janet was doing all of that) and Beyonce doesn't sing low.
I'm not going to say Janet is the ONLY female who made girls have to perform, we have tina turner and madonna as well. But when it comes to the formula as to how to get it done, most girls use Janet's. Including Beyonce in many ways.
-Backup dancers mimicking the same choreography
-Pyro
-Head Mic
-Diva Walk
-Give dramatics, do that long pause and stare on stage, etc. etc
All done by Janet while Beyonce was still in Diapers.
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Originally posted by Bitchcraft
Well their dad forced them but just imagine the jackson 5 without michael |
That's what Im saying. I think that would've caused them to flop. 
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Originally posted by Timber
But was Michael not the reason they even started music careers?
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Janet didn't want a career in the first place, it wasn't until she purged her father when she finally got success as started to embrace it.
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The fact that the MSCSWT did amazingly well,particularly the 1st leg,where she had no music out and her last era flopped by her standard,should give you all an idea of Bey's overall impact.If everything goes well she'll have the highest grossing tour by a black artist in a long while,this says a lot about the impact and well earned reputation of Bey as one of the greatest performers alive..
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Originally posted by Timber
One question to you Janet fans. I'm not the biggest expert of the Jackson family, but would she be known to us today if Michael didn't exist? Or maybe she would be more famous? Or would she just be a bit less famous?
Just wanna know what the answer to this is cuz if I start a thread it would most likely get take down. |
I think she would be more famous. In the US she was more sucessful than him from 1995 to 2001 and also kinda more respected. However, MJ 'killeed' her career in Europe. HIStory sold 5 millions in the US and 15 millions outside. He has always been sucessful in Europe, Janet was too but a lot less than him. She had everything, the talent, the image, the hits but MJ was just bigger.
Still we can't really know. They both had an impact and used to share their ideas together.
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Originally posted by slimsexy
The fact that the MSCSWT did amazingly well,particularly the 1st leg,where she had no music out and her last era flopped by her standard,should give you all an idea of Bey's overall impact.If everything goes well she'll have the highest grossing tour by a black artist in a long while,this says a lot about the impact and well earned reputation of Bey as one of the greatest performers alive..
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Who does Bey have to beat to make her the best black touring artist of all time? Tina?
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Originally posted by Legacy
I think she would be more famous. In the US she was more sucessful than him from 1995 to 2001 and also kinda more respected. However, MJ 'killeed' her career in Europe. HIStory sold 5 millions in the US and 15 millions outside. He has always been sucessful in Europe, Janet was too but a lot less than him. She had everything, the talent, the image, the hits but MJ was just bigger.
Still we can't really know. They both had an impact and used to share their ideas together.
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Michael was bigger than everyone outside the US (sans the Beatles) though.
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Originally posted by FreeXone
Yes and no.
Beyonce also would not be Beyonce if she didn't dance and perform and do her runway walks, and swing hair. (Janet was doing all of that) and Beyonce doesn't sing low.
I'm not going to say Janet is the ONLY female who made girls have to perform, we have tina turner and madonna as well. But when it comes to the formula as to how to get it done, most girls use Janet's. Including Beyonce in many ways.
-Backup dancers mimicking the same choreography
-Pyro
-Head Mic
-Diva Walk
-Give dramatics, do that long pause and stare on stage, etc. etc
All done by Janet while Beyonce was still in Diapers.
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Looking at Bey's tour receipts and universal acclaim by critics,fans and even fellow celebs, especially her current one,she is not doing to badly for someone who was in diapers when Janet did all these things
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