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Originally posted by Save-Me-Oprah
"for once"?
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Originally posted by anticore
Nope i just gave the CMAs as an example becuase it's a credible award show. And if we're talking about the critical acclaim, MM singles still isn't the worst songs on Red, according to critics. I don't know what will convince you about the MM tracks, i'm just trying to look in every aspect that i can.
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She's just so much more than a pop tart. He can produce some good bops, but that's that. You know Taylor has it in her to take things to a whole new level.
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All I'm saying is songs like IKYWT, WANEGBT, and 22 are all songs that any popstar could sing, write and perform. They ain't special.
Which is in stark contrast to songs like All Too Well, Holy Ground, Treacherous, and even Starlight (yes, despite being pop, is still firmly recognizable as a Taylor Swift-sounding track), which are songs that could only be written and performed properly by The Lord.
This is why The Lord got where she is in the first place: authenticity. Her music sounded REAL and like it came straight from HER. Max Martin tracks do not, for the most part, sound that way at all. They sound manufactured and like everything else on the radio. There is nothing special or standout about them at all.
She can keep making those bops all she wants but she risks alienating the fanbase that made her so huge in the first place. And that's just the way it is.
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Originally posted by swiftie13
I think this argument will last six months until the lead single is released  It's so much to read, I usually forget what I have to say by the time I am done reading it.
So to stray from that topic.. None of the lazy bonus tracks deserve praise  they are a waste... I'm honestly mad how her deluxe editions were so promising with Fearless but SN and RED were major letdowns. I don't use. |
but Speak Now had Ours 
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Originally posted by Save-Me-Oprah
All I'm saying is songs like IKYWT, WANEGBT, and 22 are all songs that any popstar could sing, write and perform. They ain't special.
Which is in stark contrast to songs like All Too Well, Holy Ground, Treacherous, and even Starlight (yes, despite being pop, is still firmly recognizable as a Taylor Swift-sounding track), which are songs that could only be written and performed properly by The Lord.
This is why The Lord got where she is in the first place: authenticity. Her music sounded REAL and like it came straight from HER. Max Martin tracks do not, for the most part, sound that way at all. They sound manufactured and like everything else on the radio. There is nothing special or standout about them at all.
She can keep making those bops all she wants but she risks alienating the fanbase that made her so huge in the first place. And that's just the way it is.
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Originally posted by Save-Me-Oprah
All I'm saying is songs like IKYWT, WANEGBT, and 22 are all songs that any popstar could sing, write and perform. They ain't special.
Which is in stark contrast to songs like All Too Well, Holy Ground, Treacherous, and even Starlight (yes, despite being pop, is still firmly recognizable as a Taylor Swift-sounding track), which are songs that could only be written and performed properly by The Lord.
This is why The Lord got where she is in the first place: authenticity. Her music sounded REAL and like it came straight from HER. Max Martin tracks do not, for the most part, sound that way at all. They sound manufactured and like everything else on the radio. There is nothing special or standout about them at all.
She can keep making those bops all she wants but she risks alienating the fanbase that made her so huge in the first place. And that's just the way it is.
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If she wasn't work with MM, then she would've had the risk of alienating GP. Then she had the risk of being some old rockstars like Bon Jovi, who has a strong fanbase contionusly going to her concerts but has 0 airplay and in the end, only place you could've seen her would've been country radio (but not that much, since she's a female) and country award shows.
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I like this fan base even more. In my view, diversity means longevity here. I love the impact of different thoughts, that's why I sometimes ask you guys to challenge me.
Maybe you can also find diversity in LP5 not just genres or topics, also including collaborations. RED already included many collaborations, LP5 will include more, which, in my view, is a good thing for her learning process.
Here's something I want you guys to challenge me:
About Grammys which I was so upset about,
EXCEPT country categories (which I think she lost them because of the conservative side of SOME parts of country music industry fought back after benefiting from her innovations which brought in so many young fans),
IGNORING her 2010 AOTY winning as one main reason of losing 2014 AOTY which makes it a joke if quality matters,
Did she lose AOTY because if she won again Grammys have to award too many (I need some Grammy experts here) collaborators on RED?
If so, I worry about LP5 on Grammys for the same reason which I think as ridiculous.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Save-Me-Oprah
All I'm saying is songs like IKYWT, WANEGBT, and 22 are all songs that any popstar could sing, write and perform. They ain't special.
Which is in stark contrast to songs like All Too Well, Holy Ground, Treacherous, and even Starlight (yes, despite being pop, is still firmly recognizable as a Taylor Swift-sounding track), which are songs that could only be written and performed properly by The Lord.
This is why The Lord got where she is in the first place: authenticity. Her music sounded REAL and like it came straight from HER. Max Martin tracks do not, for the most part, sound that way at all. They sound manufactured and like everything else on the radio. There is nothing special or standout about them at all.
She can keep making those bops all she wants but she risks alienating the fanbase that made her so huge in the first place. And that's just the way it is.
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Originally posted by anticore
If she wasn't work with MM, then she would've had the risk of alienating GP. Then she had the risk of being some old rockstars like Bon Jovi, who has a strong fanbase contionusly going to her concerts but has 0 airplay and in the end, only place you could've seen her would've been country radio (but not that much, since she's a female) and country award shows.
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But of course. The struggle for relevancy was soooooooooo real pre-Max Martin.
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Member Since: 12/19/2009
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Originally posted by kevinnyc
I like this fan base even more. In my view, diversity means longevity here. I love the impact of different thoughts, that's why I sometimes ask you guys to challenge me.
Maybe you can also find diversity in LP5 not just genres or topics, also including collaborations. RED already included many collaborations, LP5 will include more, which, in my view, is a good thing for her learning process.
Here's something I want you guys to challenge me:
About Grammys which I was so upset about,
EXCEPT country categories (which I think she lost them because of the conservative side of SOME parts of country music industry fought back after benefiting for her innovations which brought in so many young fans),
IGNORING her 2010 AOTY winning as one main reason which makes it a joke if quality matters,
Did she lose AOTY because if she won again Grammys have to award too many (I need some Grammy experts here) collaborators on RED?
If so, I worry about LP5 on Grammys for the same reason which I think as ridiculous.
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That won't matter. I think more than anything it is about which albums they felt deserved it more. I've heard a lot say that Daft Punk won because they were rewarded for years of hard work in the electronic dance community and many felt it was there best album as well.
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Originally posted by Save-Me-Oprah
But of course. The struggle was soooooooooo real pre-Max Martin.
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Why ? In the end, she's doing this to earn money, isn't she ? It's the same for her, nothing has changed. Only this time, she's doing it with more professionals in the sector.
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Originally posted by Save-Me-Oprah
But of course. The struggle for relevancy was soooooooooo real pre-Max Martin.
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nnnnnnn' yes her previous albums had no radio play what-so-ever and she was irrelevant before WANEGBT.
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Member Since: 12/19/2009
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Originally posted by anticore
Why ? In the end, she's doing this to earn money, isn't she ? It's the same for her, nothing has changed. Only this time, she's doing it with more professionals in the sector.
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It is sarcastic sis
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Originally posted by anticore
If she wasn't work with MM, then she would've had the risk of alienating GP. Then she had the risk of being some old rockstars like Bon Jovi, who has a strong fanbase contionusly going to her concerts but has 0 airplay and in the end, only place you could've seen her would've been country radio (but not that much, since she's a female) and country award shows.
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So you want her to become another replaceable pop tart? 
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So you want her to become another replaceable pop tart? |
Do you even have to ask this sis? It is obvious from all the past responses made.
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Originally posted by CountryFriedChick
nnnnnnn' yes her previous albums had no radio play what-so-ever and she was irrelevant before WANEGBT.
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Originally posted by CountryFriedChick
Do you even have to ask this sis? It is obvious from all the past responses made.
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Not working with MM = alienating GP 
If she don't realise what sells her album and decide deliver an LP full of 'pop masterpieces' I'm over her then I guess.
Kety is better than her at this baby.
If she releases MM songs to keep in touch with the GP and giving them false hope about her album (thinking it's full of pop gems) just to find out it's full of boring arse fillers wasting their moneys, that's not ethical, that's sin. 
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Member Since: 9/17/2012
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I leave for a few hours and find the meltdowns haven't stopped yet. Calm down people.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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I wrote about so much stuff then it automatically signed out. Mess  |
This is still one of the best posts I read here, we need more anticores here. About fan bases, which fan base is 24/7 active meaning really international not sometimes dead because of some fans are sleeping or eating dinner?
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Member Since: 1/13/2012
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Listening to PlagerISM.. I admit, I like half of it 
MM is amazing in songs like Choose Your Battles, Spiritual, and Legendary Lovers (if he produced that one)... When will he be like this with Taylor? 
I feel like bubblegum will be what we get from them :/
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Member Since: 5/26/2012
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Originally posted by anticore
If she wasn't work with MM, then she would've had the risk of alienating GP. Then she had the risk of being some old rockstars like Bon Jovi, who has a strong fanbase contionusly going to her concerts but has 0 airplay and in the end, only place you could've seen her would've been country radio (but not that much, since she's a female) and country award shows.
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Working with MM is a short term plan ! see what happened to BSB, Nsync, a big standom from their fans during their heydays and now are they considered as serious bands such as The Beatles or U2? no, they re like the joke of the 00s, their catalog materials ain t selling well compared to Supernatural or Come Away With Me.
Just look at Red's chartrun, it will be out of the top 100 before the LP5, her worst performance so far, you don t need MM to stay relevant, see Adele's 21, you act like any artist without MM would flop. MM is the pit for any serious review
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlv9-X3owjk
Dont think I m a hater or stuff (IKYWT is prob my fav tune of Taylor) I just try to be objective, working with MM for every album you make is a bad career move
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