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Fan Base: Archived: Taylor Swift (#2)
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Her Rumour Has It/Halo/Bleeding Love/Castles/He Said She Said/Love Somebody/Love Don't Die/Neon Lights/Reach Out/Stay The Night/Strip Me/We Remain/Good in Goodbye is coming.
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These comparisons with Katy and Avril *dead*
I used to believe that Taylor fans had a very open mind and there has always been something that i liked from this fanbase, but i guess i was so damn wrong. They're starting to doubt her, having fears and comparing with some chicks that don't have any control of anything, they do just what the've told to do..
JUST WAIT, WAIT! and Remember that it's Taylor Swift not Katy Perry or Avril Lavigne, she will NEVER EVER EVER EVER write a meaningless thing like WTH and dare to claim it a personal freedom anthem!
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Originally posted by shadesofwrong
These comparisons with Katy and Avril *dead*
I used to believe that Taylor fans had a very open mind and there has always been something that i liked from this fanbase, but i guess i was so damn wrong. They're starting to doubt her, having fears and comparing with some chicks that don't have any control of anything, they do just what the've told to do..
JUST WAIT, WAIT! and Remember that it's Taylor Swift not Katy Perry or Avril Lavigne, she will NEVER EVER EVER EVER write a meaningless thing like WTH and dare to claim it a personal freedom anthem!
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Max Martin songs are almost always just mindless bops tho, no matter the artist.
Surely you can't listen to IKYWT or 22 and have it evoke the same emotion and authenticity that a song like All Too Well or Holy Ground does.
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Originally posted by shadesofwrong
These comparisons with Katy and Avril *dead*
I used to believe that Taylor fans had a very open mind and there has always been something that i liked from this fanbase, but i guess i was so damn wrong. They're starting to doubt her, having fears and comparing with some chicks that don't have any control of anything, they do just what the've told to do..
JUST WAIT, WAIT! and Remember that it's Taylor Swift not Katy Perry or Avril Lavigne, she will NEVER EVER EVER EVER write a meaningless thing like WTH and dare to claim it a personal freedom anthem!
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This.
The meltdowns here seem so fabricated lately. Everyone's talking about MM is the worst, garbage etc, but when we talk about the critics or reviews about these songs in Red, not a real counter argument can be produced against him. People blame here Taylor being so success hungry, but most of the reasons of these meltdowns are because Taylor didn't win a Grammy. Really, until the Grammys this base was so positive even about MM tarcks (e.g IKYWT). After that night, everyone became negative. I know some people may be against MM since the beginning, but so many others were just affected by this.
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Originally posted by Save-Me-Oprah
Max Martin songs are almost always just mindless bops tho, no matter the artist.
Surely you can't listen to IKYWT or 22 and have it evoke the same emotion and authenticity that a song like All Too Well or Holy Ground does.
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The artist matters, since Trouble and 22 aren't meaningless like WTH or Die Young. Why can't you all accept that once for all? I've always said if those 3 songs were produced by Nathan, meldtowns wouldn't be, since Starlight is a very very very very pop tune, but why you stanning for Starlight and drag the other 3?
And then you all forgot all the pop mixes of her old country songs and to me this is worse than doing a real pop song..
I'm not saying that you must love MM, if you don't, that's ok..but starting to doubt her work, her values..i don't accept it!
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Originally posted by Save-Me-Oprah
Max Martin songs are almost always just mindless bops tho, no matter the artist.
Surely you can't listen to IKYWT or 22 and have it evoke the same emotion and authenticity that a song like All Too Well or Holy Ground does.
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Ugh I don't really want to get into this stupid argument but for once SMO is spilling the truth.
It's about the real instruments that makes a song endearing. In 50 years, All Too Well could still sound current and not outdated. Whereas it's hard to say that to even her best MM song, IKYWT.
Also I'm quite sure you can totally tell that her writing takes the backseat and instead gimmicks and technicalities takes over in all her MM songs. Like "you found me-e-e-e". MM has the general public in his mind too much, and this doesn't make her songs sound authentic at all.
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Real instruments? Ok.. Starlight, Holy Ground and The Lucky One are in the same boat of ther MM songs: they have an artificial drum and real guitar, piano.. That proves my point again, if Never Ever, 22 and Trouble were produced by Jeff or Nathan you would stan them hard.
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Originally posted by holyground
Ugh I don't really want to get into this stupid argument but for once SMO is spilling the truth.
It's about the real instruments that makes a song endearing. In 50 years, All Too Well could still sound current and not outdated. Whereas it's hard to say that to even her best MM song, IKYWT.
Also I'm quite sure you can totally tell that her writing takes the backseat and instead gimmicks and technicalities takes over in all her MM songs. Like "you found me-e-e-e". MM has the general public in his mind too much, and this doesn't make her songs sound authentic at all.
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Why do you always compare MM songs with the best song in the album ? MM songs are produced to be singles, while ATW could never become a single, because of that sound. Let's compare MM singles with TLT or EHC, (the other singles) and see the difference.
MM songs maybe are not the best songs in an album, but definitely not the worst either. They're just there, and they're produced to be successful singles and they really become.
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Baby why don't you see that 22 isn't any better than WTH/ Die Young? Thinking everything Taylor does is more superior than other gurlz I'd call that narrow minded.
Not many here stan for Starlight but Starlight still ***** on MM songs.
And anticore bb, I couldn't care less about Grammys tbh. I stanned for MM tracks but they got old really fast and I don't want to get served with these quick lil singles again. So #TeamNoMM. It's that easy baby.
Oh and I've never been here for Nothing Has Changed too, btw.
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Originally posted by holyground
Ugh I don't really want to get into this stupid argument but for once SMO is spilling the truth.
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Save-Me-LordOprah is always here spilling the tea 
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Last Kiss > Long Live
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But never grow old>>>>>>
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Originally posted by shadesofwrong
Real instruments? Ok.. Starlight, Holy Ground and The Lucky One are in the same boat of ther MM songs: they have an artificial drum and real guitar, piano.. That proves my point again, if Never Ever, 22 and Trouble were produced by Jeff or Nathan you would stan them hard.
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Real instruments is just one of my points. Read my second point for this case then. MM strips away the authenticity of her music.
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Originally posted by anticore
Why do you always compare MM songs with the best song in the album ? MM songs are produced to be singles, while ATW could never become a single, because of that sound. Let's compare MM singles with TLT or EHC, (the other singles) and see the difference.
MM songs maybe are not the best songs in an album, but definitely not the worst either. They're just there, and they're produced to be successful singles and they really become.
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And why is she making quick lil singles on purpose then? To make her relevant? At the expense of her artistic integrity, I don't think that's very justified.
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Originally posted by TaylorFantasy
Baby why don't you see that 22 isn't any better than WTH/ Die Young? Thinking everything Taylor does is more superior than other gurlz I'd call that narrow minded.
Not many here stan for Starlight but Starlight still ***** on MM songs.
And anticore bb, I couldn't care less about Grammys tbh. I stanned for MM tracks but they got old really fast and I don't want to get served with these quick lil singles again. So #TeamNoMM. It's that easy baby.
Oh and I've never been here for Nothing Has Changed too, btw.
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Starlight
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Originally posted by TaylorFantasy
Baby why don't you see that 22 isn't any better than WTH/ Die Young? Thinking everything Taylor does is more superior than other gurlz I'd call that narrow minded.
Not many here stan for Starlight but Starlight still ***** on MM songs.
And anticore bb, I couldn't care less about Grammys tbh. I stanned for MM tracks but they got old really fast and I don't want to get served with these quick lil singles again. So #TeamNoMM. It's that easy baby.
Oh and I've never been here for Nothing Has Changed too, btw.
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22's production is good.
Yeah, at least MM tracks could went to the top of the charts tho,. This is something Taylor always lacked since YBWM. And IKYWT has the longevity too. We're talking here not only about the album, single wise MM tracks were exactly the medicines that Taylor looked for since Fearless era.
And yeah, i was telling the same thing about EHC. It's not better than MM tracks.
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Originally posted by shadesofwrong
Real instruments? Ok.. Starlight, Holy Ground and The Lucky One are in the same boat of ther MM songs: they have an artificial drum and real guitar, piano.. That proves my point again, if Never Ever, 22 and Trouble were produced by Jeff or Nathan you would stan them hard.
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TLO and HG have live drums on it. That's why we love Jeff well at least I love him cause he actually plays live drums on the track not from electronic drum beats.
Starlight still sh*ts on 22 & wanegbt tbh at least it doesn't have generic formulaic repetitive drum beats that you'll get tired eventually
& yeah prolly when other producers produced 22 & wanegbt I would've appreciate it cause it will not be a generic mess
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I think this argument will last six months until the lead single is released  It's so much to read, I usually forget what I have to say by the time I am done reading it.
So to stray from that topic.. None of the lazy bonus tracks deserve praise  they are a waste... I'm honestly mad how her deluxe editions were so promising with Fearless but SN and RED were major letdowns. I don't use.
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Originally posted by holyground
Real instruments is just one of my points. Read my second point for this case then. MM strips away the authenticity of her music.
And why is she making quick lil singles on purpose then? To make her relevant? At the expense of her artistic integrity, I don't think that's very justified.
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Yes, to make her relevant.
When you talk about the albums, quality is really important. But for singles, it isn't that important. You can see this in every award show, unless you make a real garbage, if your single 's successful, then it' s likely to win. Cruise could won CMAs, do you think it's really a quality song ?
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Originally posted by anticore
Yes, to make her relevant.
When you talk about the albums, quality is really important. But for singles, it isn't that important. You can see this in every award show, unless you make a real garbage, if your single 's successful, then it' s likely to win. Cruise could won CMAs, do you think it's really a quality song ?
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Oh god so awards and commercial success are all that matter to you. This argument ain't gonna go anywhere like this. Whatever floats your boat.
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Originally posted by holyground
Ugh I don't really want to get into this stupid argument but for once SMO is spilling the truth.
It's about the real instruments that makes a song endearing. In 50 years, All Too Well could still sound current and not outdated. Whereas it's hard to say that to even her best MM song, IKYWT.
Also I'm quite sure you can totally tell that her writing takes the backseat and instead gimmicks and technicalities takes over in all her MM songs. Like "you found me-e-e-e". MM has the general public in his mind too much, and this doesn't make her songs sound authentic at all.
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"for once"?
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Originally posted by holyground
Oh god so awards and commercial success are all that matter to you. This argument ain't gonna go anywhere like this. Whatever floats your boat.
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Nope i just gave the CMAs as an example becuase it's a credible award show. And if we're talking about the critical acclaim, MM singles still isn't the worst songs on Red, according to critics. I don't know what will convince you about the MM tracks, i'm just trying to look in every aspect that i can.
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