It's not only about selling more IMO, it's also about being popular. I think Taylor's main personal charcateristic is ambition, and her main motivation is getting more famous day by day. If she wants to be famous, if she wants to be remembered like a Madoona type of legend, she definitely needs more impact. Longevity & credibility help you to keep your famous status when you get older, but when you're young, you just don't need them and they are not very helpful to make you famous, like Adele, critics generally claim that she's the biggest popstar in the world right now, however for GP, she's just a forgotten figure until she releases her next album. She's not popular, and not more famous compared to her popgirl competitors even if she outsold every one of them..
You know how people view Madonna these days, right?
Longevity & credibility can't be build over night. You have to EARN it. And She is FIVE albums in already. How long She wants to wait to start? 10? That would be too late. Bye.
And what's the point of being popular but not selling now? She buys Her food with cash, not with how popular She is.
You know how people view Madonna these days, right?
Longevity & credibility can't be build over night. You have to EARN it. And She is FIVE albums in already. How long She wants to wait to start? 10? That would be too late. Bye.
And what's the point of being popular but not selling now? She buys Her food with cash, not with how popular She is.
Yeah i know Madonna's status today, but there's no other better example for what i meant there
I think, not the albums but the ages matter here.. 30 would be a good age to start thinking about her future old lady career. But i partly agree with you, she of course at least has to keep some credibility (which she has today, she shouldn't go below that) And i believe in her about that, i think her main problem is not changing the genres or MM, but her image which is ''always writes songs about her ex bf's '' She should change that image and i think she'll change that wtih LP5.
I didn't say she doesn't care about sales, tho All i'm saying that, she both think about her popularity and of course her money at the same time.
I don’t know too much about Max Martin or about his previous work with Katy Perry or Ke$ha, I’m not really a huge fan of their music, and I don’t know about his 90’s stuff too. But if a producer get too much control over music, that’s never sounds good. I think a singer like Taylor needs to have sharp expections about the product, and I think she needs to say the last word about what they can have on the record, or what they not. She produced records before with Nathan Chapman, she knows how to release something that hit really hard. Speak Now was a perfectly produced record. But then she dipped her toe into the pool of hardcore-pop, she thought a helping hand comes good when she tries to put out something really different. And to be honest for someone who is not really knows how to make that “bubblegum” sound, a name like Max Martin rings a bell. And that’s the problem because I think Martin tried to push her into a direction which is totally not her. Not saying I have any problem with the songs what he produced. I believe it’s doesn’t mean sell out, or anything. It’s perfectly fine if a singer tries to experience new sounds, new technics. But I feel like there is so much more in this collaboration.
This “world-widey” thing is an another question. I grew up on listening to independent artists, and I mostly listening to musicans who like to brake with boundaries and write and make their own music how they want, and never chasing new trends and styles. I think Taylor was an outsider in the world of pop music, because no matter how much bubble was in the final mixture, she is still far away from her contemporaries. She never did a song which doesn’t feature guitars. She still looks and sounds autentic, but I think “sweeter Than Fiction” was the song which is the true “precursor” of the fifth album. I don’t think it’s that bad, it’s a really cool song. It’s too “cool” actually, because doesn’t deliever the passion and strong and epic storytelling like “Dear John” or “All Too Well”.
I’ve heard so much rambling about the sound of the next record. I think if she would “hunger for chart success”, the whole team would push her more in the “alternative” road. I don’t have the right to demand anything from her what she doesn’t want to do, but trying to look cool in the eyes of the “hip audience” would be a let down for me. I just can’t imagine her singing to this audience, they demand something really different. She added more “hip” in the mix, it’s started with Speak Now, and RED was something between Adult alternative rock and stadium pop. I’m a fan of her stadium pop/rock sound, because I pretty much like the sound of Springsteen, and I found significant similarites in their music.
Producers should be there to help musicans. It’s important to find a common place, and I think it’s important to have your eyes on what the producer doing. She really needs to find a producer who can give edge to her songs, like Jacknife Lee. I really love the sound of the “The Last Time”. And there are plenty of more rock oriented producer out ther who can help making huge and rocking stadium epics. And don’t forget about Ryan Adams, he produced Willie Nelson’s “Songbird”, which is one of the best sounding record I’ve ever head. Adams put Nelson on a direction which was totally unfamilar for him, but the result was not hing but specticular. So there are plenty of choices out there for Taylor, and she have all the tools what a musican need. But if Max Martin will have more control over the next record, there will be more”Sweeter Than Fictiton” and “22” than roaring Les Paul’s.
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Yeah i know Madonna's status today, but there's no other better example for what i meant there
I think, not the albums but the ages matter here.. 30 would be a good age to start thinking about her future old lady career. But i partly agree with you, she of course at least has to keep some credibility (which she has today, she shouldn't go below that) And i believe in her about that, i think her main problem is not changing the genres or MM, but her image which is ''always writes songs about her ex bf's '' She should change that image and i think she'll change that wtih LP5.
I didn't say she doesn't care about sales, tho All i'm saying that, she both think about her popularity and of course her money at the same time.
There ARE better examples than Madonna out of all people. At least use Kylie or someone else.
Girl, ever heard the principle of "leaving some money on the table"? If you want people to keep coming to you, that's what one should do. One doesn't have to ace in every single thing in order to win.
And since when is MM helping with changing image the "only writes about exes"? When literally two out of 3 songs with him are about an ex? Bye.
Yeah i know Madonna's status today, but there's no other better example for what i meant there
I think, not the albums but the ages matter here.. 30 would be a good age to start thinking about her future old lady career. But i partly agree with you, she of course at least has to keep some credibility (which she has today, she shouldn't go below that) And i believe in her about that, i think her main problem is not changing the genres or MM, but her image which is ''always writes songs about her ex bf's '' She should change that image and i think she'll change that wtih LP5.
I didn't say she doesn't care about sales, tho All i'm saying that, she both think about her popularity and of course her money at the same time.
I also think she'll write more songs which are not about her ex because of the massive inspirations she got this era. I think she MAYBE will write about friendship (Ed maybe Selena), music industry (like Royals), Mean 2.0 ...But people will most likely focus on her LOVE SONGS.
But really, I wonder... Why should She change who She is just because people don't like it? I'd rather Her to stay to true to Herself, sticking to Her guns... than that.
And I thought as stans, it's basic knowledge that She is more than what the public thinks about Her? What's the matter then? She knows who She is, We know who She is...... Let them children getting into Her on their own?
Let's stop this MM debate, I tried so hard to change topics.
The "Twilight" series has been a commercial success, but none of the films have ever been nominated for an Academy Award.
I hope the Lord can balance them and create MIRACLES.
She needs to continue writing about love. I'm here for songs about the fame and other things i.e. TBD, TLO, NGU, etc... But I feel that if she stops writing about love, the only subject she's truly infatuated with, then she's almost letting the people that make fun of her win.. It's like "Oh, they're saying I only write about love... Well let me make an album full of songs about the media hating me and how scary it is to be famous and what a feminist I am... Yeah that'll show 'em!!!!!111!!1!!!" And, to me, that would be a huge disappointment.. She needs to just stay true to herself, really...
Also,
People were quick to judge Taylor when news broke that MM was on RED for 3 tracks, but those same people saw MM as the savior of Prism.... That speaks VOLUMES.
Well, Taylor says so in the same interview which she admitted there'll be more MM songs in LP5. (I'm trying to find that part)
And I too said She & Scott are hella delusional when it comes to Max Martin & Pop. What happened with just being themselves? That money is too sweet to ignore? You want to be more popular?
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Would you prefer four songs produced by Zedd(with two of them being singles), or two Max Martin songs, with none of them being singles.
None. But if we're pushing Dance track... I want Freemasons.
Well , i tried but i couldn't. But i really remember a quote hinting that in LP5, there'll be different topics than her love life (of course along with her usual topics) (i just couldn't find it , but i remember i read it somewhere)
Zedd would be the absolute worst imo. MM compared to him is a musical genius.
She needs to continue writing about love. I'm here for songs about the fame and other things i.e. TBD, TLO, NGU, etc... But I feel that if she stops writing about love, the only subject she's truly infatuated with, then she's almost letting the people that make fun of her win.. It's like "Oh, they're saying I only write about love... Well let me make an album full of songs about the media hating me and how scary it is to be famous and what a feminist I am... Yeah that'll show 'em!!!!!111!!1!!!" And, to me, that would be a huge disappointment.. She needs to just stay true to herself, really...
Agree!
Fortunately she also knows about that.
Love songs for 24-year-old are very logical.
What i'm thinking is, maybe more singles will be about non-love topics, or maybe the lead single will be like that. She can't make an album without any love song, her album probably will consist of mostly love songs again, but the singles may be chosen differently. Like Red, she chose Pop singles, so GP thought that Red was a pop album
I think SOG is the very important part of the reasons why RED TOUR (not album) is so successful, you can feel it from the video above.
But I think she can write better opening song for LP5, let's see.
