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Discussion: Who's a legend & who's an icon?
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Originally posted by Pedro
Well, as predicted, this thread's name should be: Is Britney Spears a Legend? I am just going to say that if Britney Spears is not a legend, then no one that became famous during her time is.
Britney is the popstar protype, I mean, that's gotta mean something. Only because some of you think she is not as great as she used to be, that won't take any credit of everything she has done before. Only because her last album didn't do so well in the charts, that doesn't mean a thing. I think everyone considers Cher a legend or even Madonna and their commercial success is nowhere near what it was back then.
Britney Spears is obviously a legend, did you actually read the definiton of it? But I expected people to start the Britney vs. Beyoncé thing.
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All what you said makes her a pop icon. Not a legend. She musically contributed nothing new/special, actually she didn't even contribute to her OWN music (barely). That's no artist deserving of a legend status, sorry
I hate when people think artistry isn't important in becoming a legend lmao. Everything is about global success & sales on here. Pretty sad
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Originally posted by Toxicity.
Janet isn't a legend either. Neither is Whitney.
Madonna, Michael, Mariah, Celine and Beyonce are the only legends. |
 The delusion.
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Originally posted by RapGenius
All what you said makes her a pop icon. Not a legend. She musically contributed nothing new/special, actually she didn't even contribute to her OWN music (barely). That's no artist deserving of a legend status, sorry
I hate when people think artistry isn't important in becoming a legend lmao. Everything is about global success & sales on here. Pretty sad
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THANK YOU, you and chimier did all the work for me. Glad to know someone doesn't misuse the term
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Legend- Lady Gaga
ICON- Bonnie Mckee
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Taylor is both 
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Madonna=Legend
Janet=Icon
Britney=Teenage-Icon
Gaga=N/A
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All of our faves are still in the ICON status, now what they do in the future can solidify them a spot in the legendary status. However it's going to take more than sales to be considered a legend in all honesty, not a lot of people or even the GP remembers a legends sales, but what they brought to the table performance, look, and creative / musically. I mean the accolades have to be there, but they are a tiny piece of a big ass machine that is the title "LEGEND".
I do have to say that I think my fave will end up being a legend one day if she keeps up doing what shes doing for years to come and doesn't retire anytime soon and just keeps up on her daily grind.
(The below is about Britney because it seems like a lot of people are being delusional on calling her a legend.)
Britney - She is undoubtedly a pop icon and will be remembered for her impact on pop music, however with the way her decline has been going ever since shes been riding this "comeback" shtick, it seems like she took her foot out of the door to become a legend like Madonna, I feel shes going to end up retiring before she leaves her icon status and enters the legendary status, but thats just my personal view on her because she just seems like shes over it all.
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Legends: Michael, Madonna, Mariah, Whitney, Prince, Celine, Janet (debatably)
Icons: Beyoncé (future legend), Britney (former pop superstar), Lady Gaga, Rihanna (future icon)
That's it. Legends and icons don't just appear every year. There are very few for a reason. Those I've mentioned have truly earned their statuses.
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Originally posted by RapGenius
All what you said makes her a pop icon. Not a legend. She musically contributed nothing new/special, actually she didn't even contribute to her OWN music (barely).
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Nothing new? From what world are you? Britney Spears since she came out set the rules for others to follow. She co-produced one of the best albums of all time which is Blackout. So, sorry but she is a legend IF that's your argument.
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Originally posted by Gangsta4alife
People don't know what a legend or icon is and use it way to loosly. What makes a legend is their influence and contributions to music among other factors not sales. As far as an icon that's a whole nother thing I don't care to get into explaining
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Yet you keep saying Britney Spears is not a legend. If there's a name that comes out from every popstar's mouth (Lady Gaga, Rihanna, Miley, Katy, Selena, Demi, even Taylor Swift! And so on) is Britney Spears, so I don't know how you keep saying she is not this or that. As for the contributions to music, well, I just explained that.
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Originally posted by Pedro
Yet you keep saying Britney Spears is not a legend. If there's a name that comes out from every popstar's mouth (Lady Gaga, Rihanna, Miley, Katy, Selena, Demi, even Taylor Swift! And so on) is Britney Spears, so I don't know how you keep saying she is not this or that. As for the contributions to music, well, I just explained that.
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I never really talked about britney though it was a general statement. You thought that applied to britney because it's true or you are mistaking me with RapGenius.
Like I said again and again sales and hits don't make a legend. It's your contributions/innovations/artistry to the sound of music that does. And britney has little to no impact/influence in that form. Hence why every time someone mentions why she's a legend it's all about sales which are largely irrelevant in what makes a legend. And the same applies to Celine Dion. Britney is an icon for sure but a legend in the same leagues as MJ, Madonna etc.... is just not true in any way.
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Its the same basically. Legend is more when someone big is dead.
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Of my faves:
Legends: Leonard Cohen, Elvis Costello
Icons: Lady Gaga, Psy (close to legend in SK, not so much WW)
Cult figure: Steven Page
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Originally posted by Pedro
Nothing new? From what world are you? Britney Spears since she came out set the rules for others to follow. She co-produced one of the best albums of all time which is Blackout. So, sorry but she is a legend IF that's your argument.
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1. She has barely any credits on Blackout. Again, she has writing credits on one of the twelve songs and no production credits. What an artistical legend, didn't even contribute into the making of her own best record.
2. Blackout is not one of the best albums of all time. There are much more influential and creative albums with much more craft even in the 21st century (especially when you look outside of pop music)
3. She brought nothing new to music. You're acting like she's the first pop star and did ground breaking music that sounded like nothing before her.
No legend has people write/craft their own music for them.
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Legend = Mariah
Icon = Mariah
Simple as that 
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In my opinion, some people in this thread pay too much attention to single points of the term. Like, " "legend" is the term denoting a person who's perceived to be very talented, who's universally respected like an outstanding talent, unless there's no way for an artist to be a legend", etc, etc.
For me, being a legend is more of achieving much, being kind of significant, being remembered, maybe changing something in the game overall and having successors. This status often comes with controversy: many people don't agree with that (especially, when the person is still alive) but the whole thing is talked about, and that's what matters. There's no need for universal appeal, but for universal attention and just being known. At the end of the day, if a legend is still remembered and still has plenty of fans, admirers, haters, there comes some kind of respect by public overall. That's just a matter of time.
And, yes, I agree that, in general, "a legend" is "an icon" proved by time.
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Originally posted by RapGenius
1. She has barely any credits on Blackout. Again, she has writing credits on one of the twelve songs and no production credits. What an artistical legend, didn't even contribute into the making of her own best record.
2. Blackout is not one of the best albums of all time. There are much more influential and creative albums with much more craft even in the 21st century (especially when you look outside of pop music)
3. She brought nothing new to music. You're acting like she's the first pop star and did ground breaking music that sounded like nothing before her.
No legend has people write/craft their own music for them.
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You're obviously trying too hard.
1. Who cares if she didn't produce it? She knew the direction she wanted and she made sure the producers that worked with her followed it.
2. Yes, it's. I will admit that it is also my opinion but a lot of people say that al the time.
3. You keep trying to deny her impact, that's sad and obviously trying too hard.
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Originally posted by Cormore.
All of our faves are still in the ICON status, now what they do in the future can solidify them a spot in the legendary status. However it's going to take more than sales to be considered a legend in all honesty, not a lot of people or even the GP remembers a legends sales, but what they brought to the table performance, look, and creative / musically. I mean the accolades have to be there, but they are a tiny piece of a big ass machine that is the title "LEGEND".
I do have to say that I think my fave will end up being a legend one day if she keeps up doing what shes doing for years to come and doesn't retire anytime soon and just keeps up on her daily grind.
(The below is about Britney because it seems like a lot of people are being delusional on calling her a legend.)
Britney - She is undoubtedly a pop icon and will be remembered for her impact on pop music, however with the way her decline has been going ever since shes been riding this "comeback" shtick, it seems like she took her foot out of the door to become a legend like Madonna, I feel shes going to end up retiring before she leaves her icon status and enters the legendary status, but thats just my personal view on her because she just seems like shes over it all.
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I love britney but it's obvious she was well on her way yo becoming until she put a stop to it herself. Her performance ability is improving and if she's able to keep improving her performances, to keep her selling those perfumes, selling out Vegas, and get a couple of hits in the next few years, I'd say she's back on track.
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Madonna is a legend and a icon because she represents pop.
Taylor Swift is a legend and a icon because she represents a way of writing songs in the 00's and 10's.
Britney is an icon. She represents female pop dominance.
Lady Gaga is on her way to become a legend and maybe an icon.
Rihanna and Katy Perry are neither.
Adele is a legend. Her album sales
Beyoncé is a legend and an icon.
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Member Since: 2/2/2014
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Originally posted by Pedro
You're obviously trying too hard.
1. Who cares if she didn't produce it? She knew the direction she wanted and she made sure the producers that worked with her followed it.
2. Yes, it's. I will admit that it is also my opinion but a lot of people say that al the time.
3. You keep trying to deny her impact, that's sad and obviously trying too hard.
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She didn't write OR produce it....if you can't see anything wrong with that.....
Even if she was throwing out ideas for topics and album concepts, she would be in the writing credits, and she's not. Her contribution to the album was nothing more than executing the vocals, which, if the vocals were executed by a more talented vocalist, the album probably would've been more praised.
From a musical standpoint, Blackout is not one of the best albums of all time. It's not even close. Even within the 2000s, there are many albums that artistically, lyrically, musically etc etc etc put this album to absolute shame. You must have low standards for what's artistically good, like the average Britney stan.
Again, she had cultural impact, but musical? Acting like Britney's music was "new"? Acting like the concepts, lyrical content, craft etc of her music was something never heard before?
Being a pop icon and selling a lot of records doesn't make you a legend. She's just that: a pop icon of a generation. And that's what she'll remain.
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